Next Time we Discuss Dak's Stats

[Nav22]

Why would we discuss a team statistic about the winner of a game when discussing an individual contributor?

Um, your post was based entirely on the premise that stats can be meaningless if they don’t lead to the team performing well, like the Titans last night.

But that doesn’t apply to Dak at all. Who on this board is crowing about Dak’s stats after an ugly loss????

Dak’s team performed well vs the Commanders. The offense performed well. Dak was money on 3rd down. Dak had 3 TD and 0 turnovers. Dallas WON.

And you’re comparing Dak to a QB whose team just got pasted 34-17. Wow!

 

[America's Cowboy]

If you're saying because he dated a movie star, no I have ZERO problems with that. I'm not the Cowboys dating police. I'm also not the Cowboys bachelor party police. Lastly his head coach, Phillips, told the ENTIRE team to take a few days and get away from the facility so Romo with his "gone hollywood" Spears and Witten and his wife went to Cabo for 3 days and then what all you Romo haters don't say he was the FIRST player to show up at the facility hours early to watch film on his own before their first practice for the up coming playoff game. You can be the unofficial Cowboys police for dating, bachelor parties and coach ordered getting away if you want, but don't make it sound like a bad thing if I don't want to share that honor.
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Plenty of time to "Go Hollywood" after winning several Super Bowls or retiring.

 

[Nightman]

so stats don't lie?

QBR has never taken off because it relies on a human's subjective analysis of "big" plays

Everyone says the old QB rating was flawed but over time the best have risen to the top

 

[America's Cowboy]

Trade stocks and had more big time lucky days than bad days (which I've had a few). I also have two loving parents that are well off financially so I was pretty much set for life even before I was born and did jack spit. So when you try your junk live in my mothers basement try again and even if that was the case groupie it's a very nice "basement".

Aww, a privileged one. Yet, you still don't get it.

 

[Nightman]

with or without Zeke?

it is 28-15....pretty good for a 25 year old

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Um, your post was based entirely on the premise that stats can be meaningless if they don’t lead to the team performing well, like the Titans last night.

But that doesn’t apply to Dak at all. Who on this board is crowing about Dak’s stats after an ugly loss????

Dak’s team performed well vs the Commanders. The offense performed well. Dak was money on 3rd down. Dak had 3 TD and 0 turnovers. Dallas WON.

And you’re comparing Dak to a QB whose team just got pasted 34-17. Wow!

Why are we discussing a team metric when judging an individual?

 

[foofighters]

Dak and Cooper did what Cooper was brought in to do. Run precise routes, and get YAC, rather it is a 5 yard pass or a 50 yard pass.
But yet many still do not want to give Dak credit.
That will never change for some.

I am still not sold on Dak, but as I said all year, I will give him this year to prove it. He is playing better, and those that can't or won't admit it are just haters. But then again they hate just about everything this team does.

I am sure during game threads, many of us, including myself will complain and whine about Dak or some OL, or even the defense when they give up a big play. But that is an emotion at the time of in game frustration.

But some don't come in here all the time to never give credit when it is deserved. Dak played a very good game, and overall his last 3 games he helped us win. Which is what he is supposed to do.

And he did carry the team on some of his plays and drives. Like his TD scramble, that was a huge difference of a TD vs. a FG.

I think this is a fair assessment. I am not crazy about the kid either. He's a heck of a guy but I he's got some issues. Maybe he can sort them out maybe he can't. We should know by the end of the year.

 

[Nav22]

Dak was not fantastic passing his rookie year. He was the same limited QB he is now. Defenses are now aware he can't really play the position and his warts have shown.

That year was not sustainable just like Robert Griffin III's rookie year wasn't. You can't consistently win in this league in such a limited offense. Defenses figure out what you're doing and force you to do something else. Dak Prescott can't do anything else. He's only capable of playing checkdown game manager hoping his running game and defense can carry him.

He’s 15-12 since his rookie year and has his team in 1st place now. Pretty tough to do that when you “can’t really play the position.”

Learn football. My God.

 

[PAPPYDOG]

That's why you don't rely on someone's ratings. Trust what you see.

There isn't a person reading this that doesn't know Dak Prescott isn't a good starting QB. It's just that only some of us can admit it.

Waving Monkey-CCboy and America's Cowboy and few others here are either related to Dak or on his social media Payroll .....no other way to explain it here....

The Dude STINKS worst QB in the NFL....

 

[Brax]

Thank you for clarifying why you don't get it. Choker lover right here, folks. ^^^^

Hows your Mom's basement, you must spend a lot of time alone there.

 

[Cowboysfan917]

Dak is an inconsistent passer. When he is at his best, he will make some throws and not give games away but he will never be the guy who can sling us into games. He has to lean on the pieces around him. When he is at his worst, he does not not play inside his limitations and turns the ball over and costs games.

Dak, at his best, is an average, bus driving, QB.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Have all of you that say Prescott doesn't have any arm talent seem to forget his rookie year and what his passer rating was. It's funny when the Cowboys were 13 - 3 and had over a 100 passer rating and was offensive rookie of the year we did hear or see thread after thread of his lack of arm talent. And then in 2017 the Cowboys had the league leader in drops, Bryant, and even sure handed Beasley had more drops in 2017 than the previous 2 seasons combined and yet it's all Prescott without much arm talent. Then in week 9 the Cowboys acquire Cooper and Prescott's passing gets much better. What it boils down to is when the Cowboys weren't winning or having a 13-3 record it's all Prescott's fault, there are no OTHER reasons for it.
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That's not true. Those threads didn't say "he doesn't have the arm talent.". They said "we should go back to the better quarterback, Tony Romo."

But the sentiment was the same. Don't pretend it's a Johnny come lately argument.

 

[Philmonroe]

Aww, a privileged one. Yet, you still don't get it.

Call it what you want don't matter to me and will never apologize for it either. You're the one that tried the "broke" trope when I'm just being realistic and saying I'm far from that. I guess being a Dak groupie will have you reaching for that lazy trope to defend your avg QB play. You're right though I don't get how y'all are groupie for a other grown man and definitely one that is avg. You got me right there.

 

[CowboyStar88]

STILL talking about this...lol

Let it go bud. He is going to make mistakes, like all qbs.

Yet the Dak Fanboy club can’t let Romo go who hasn’t been on this team in almost 2 years. You all routinely bring him into convos because you got nothing else. Let Romo go and focus on “your guy”.

 

[Ken]

We we're 28th in YAC yards before the last game. The Rams are #1.
Goff must really suck since his receivers are doing all the work

Dak gets one game where this happens and he is crucified for it. Meanwhile...all of their 'heroes' get this week in and week out...

 

[G2]

Dak is an inconsistent passer. When he is at his best, he will make some throws and not give games away but he will never be the guy who can sling us into games. He has to lean on the pieces around him. When he is at his worst, he does not not play inside his limitations and turns the ball over and costs games.

Dak, at his best, is an average, bus driving, QB.

What did the last gunslinger get us?

 

[CowboyStar88]

Dak just isn't a consistently good passer. Watching Mariota and Watson last night they each made anticipatory throws, some well before the receiver made a cut or looked for the ball. Dak NEVER does that. Plus he is often inaccurate on even basic passes.

Thankfully he has other skills and intangibles that make him serviceable. But with our RB, OL and now defense a top notch passer would have us in the elite teams of the NFL.

Get mad, bring up Romo, whatever but it's simply a fact.

He need WRs to get 4.0 yards of separation before he can throw a football. That’s what cooper is averaging right now.

 

[Ken]

It’s an interesting point. QBR has always favored Dak, he was 3rd in the league in 2016 and even last year when most thought he regressed a lot he was still 4th in the league. But this year he has plummeted like a rock to 23rd. I don’t put a lot of stock into QBR (mainly because the formula isn’t public) but I would guess it has to do with the third down struggles in addition to even more dinking and dunking.

His fumbles have killed that number. Yes, the third down stuff has as well.

I think it is an excellent stat though. Look at the top guys, they should be the top guys based on performance. Now look at Rating....everyone is over a 100 now it seems. It is a joke of a stat now.

 

[Ken]

He need WRs to get 4.0 yards of separation before he can throw a football. That’s what scooper is averaging right now.

You mean other than the 22 yard laser he threw to Cooper that went for 90, right?

 

[nate dizzle]

What game were you watching? Mariota passed the football very well. What did the Titans in were costly turnovers, plus the Texans running all over the Titans D. That was the difference. Houston QB Watson passed very poorly. It was all running with the football.

You anti-Dakkers blast Dak for his runs, but you are praising Houston's Watson for last night's rushing performance?

I'm not praising either of them, and I've never blasted Dak for running the ball, and I wasn't talking about him, I was talking about Mariotta. Mariotta did nothing but check down all night. He hit two nice passes to Smith on a busted coverage and Davis where the 2 defenders ran into each other. Can't take those away from him but honestly, that was it, and the total QBR is more reflective of what his night was like.

Now if you want to discuss Dak, he is actually growing on me, but I still see the flaws in his game and think they will be problematic until he corrects them. He's got to get the ball out quicker and he's got to get through his progressions. It is no secret to anyone that he locks on to his first read more often than not and he will never be the best he can be until he improves there.