Next Time we Discuss Dak's Stats

[JustChip]

So utterly stupid - taking a vacation when you were not ALLOWED to work.

Get over it! Ridiculous!

Never said they didn't have a right to do it - what I said is it portrayed the wrong image, just like the Giants and their Miami boat junket. All the media analysis would've died quickly had they won, but because they didn't, it just amplified it. And it's fair game since they didn't win. No matter what you say, it is impossible to say the trip did not affect them. Neither is it possible to say it did. But what can be said is it affected the way they were perceived.

There are many things in life we have the right to do, but are not expedient to do. I have the right to tell me boss away from work that he's a pompous PoS, but it's not exactly the best way to further my career.

And as I said, I had more of an issue with the message Coach Cup Cake sent with the bye comment.

 

[LatinMind]

He has played 5 more games than Wentz and 10 more than Goff lol. If you go by per game...

Dak - 196.2 yards, 1.2 pass td, .46 int
Wentz - 253.1 yards, 1.7 pass td, .71 int
Goff - 255.8 yards, 1.8 pass td, .61 int

The only thing Dak does it throw fewer picks, but that's because he doesn't try to push the ball down the field. These numbers would also be very, very different if you only included, say, the last 20 games, because the numbers aren't even close.

I still don't understand why people try to put Dak into a class of QBs that he doesn't belong in. He's not Jared Goff, and isn't ever going to be. To try to say he's a better passer is ridiculous.

I’m not saying he’s a better anything. What I’m trying to point out is u insert him in them quick pass system he’d wipe them out. Wince and Goff aren’t any better or worse they’re a product of their system. What happened to Goff playing in fishers ancient system? Wentz rookie yr? The difference is their owners saw that and hired coaches to implement systems to their strengths. Jerry? Still stuck on JG. That’s the only difference

 

[WillieBeamen]

He has played 5 more games than Wentz and 10 more than Goff lol. If you go by per game...

Dak - 196.2 yards, 1.2 pass td, .46 int
Wentz - 253.1 yards, 1.7 pass td, .71 int
Goff - 255.8 yards, 1.8 pass td, .61 int

The only thing Dak does it throw fewer picks, but that's because he doesn't try to push the ball down the field. These numbers would also be very, very different if you only included, say, the last 20 games, because the numbers aren't even close.

I still don't understand why people try to put Dak into a class of QBs that he doesn't belong in. He's not Jared Goff, and isn't ever going to be. To try to say he's a better passer is ridiculous.

Great post

 

[black label]

This forum is basically a Dak bash site.. This is really trash.. I mean how many different ways can you say Dak sucks in disguise. I mean some of you people arent even witty in your blind Dak hate. This board is terrible

Dakburger is trash

 

[Boyz4Lyfe33]

Thanks for your opinion and if the board is so terrible leave nobody is keeping you here.

Oh trust me, I know my way out.. it's one thing to critique a player, no one is above that.. But each thread is literally exactly the same.. same regurgitated points made in a different manner.. it's exhausting.. Can't see how anybody enjoys this crap anymore. Its sad when you can't even enjoy wins anymore

 

[LocimusPrime]

Missing the forest because the trees are in the way.

1. Thank you for posting. It was great example of how stats lie or can be manipulated.
2. Peeps here can't seem to analyze qb play on its own. They are using wins as a qb stat. A great qb with an inferior defense an running game can be defeated by a lesser qb with a great defense ect.
3. i believe it's futile to discuss Dak with some because they are entrenched in their beliefs and any attempt to point out any Dak deficiency just results in name calling or worse.

 

[pansophy]

1. Thank you for posting. It was great example of how stats lie or can be manipulated.
2. Peeps here can't seem to analyze qb play on its own. They are using wins as a qb stat. A great qb with an inferior defense an running game can be defeated by a lesser qb with a great defense ect.
3. i believe it's futile to discuss Dak with some because they are entrenched in their beliefs and any attempt to point out any Dak deficiency just results in name calling or worse.

QBR is intended to account for all those factors, just so you know.

 

[Philmonroe]

Oh trust me, I know my way out.. it's one thing to critique a player, no one is above that.. But each thread is literally exactly the same.. same regurgitated points made in a different manner.. it's exhausting.. Can't see how anybody enjoys this crap anymore. Its sad when you can't even enjoy wins anymore

I agree each thread is the same thing from both sides and you only spoke on one side the one you disagree with. If you're going to do that you aren't any better so why are you trying to take the high ground when you're being just as annoying as everybody else? Like I've said before this gets people to the games or else it wouldn't be a thing and if Dak was truly better we wouldn't be having as many of these threads. I don't remember as many in 2016 outside of a few super wild is Dak better than Brady threads

 

[pansophy]

It is a crazy board -- people tried to make the case that Romo sucked even though every stat showed over and over again that he was at minimum very very good, including in the 4th quarter. With Dak people try to make the case that he is a top QB despite every stat over the last two years saying he is in the 3rd tier of QBs.

Story is more powerful than reality.

 

[LocimusPrime]

QBR is intended to account for all those factors, just so you know.

I know but I also know qbr is a flawed formula

Charlie's batch 186 yds 2 int had the best qbr ever in NFL history

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.c...6-yard-two-pick-game-has-espns-best-qbr-ever/

Charlie Batch’s 186-yard, two-pick game has ESPN’s best QBR ever
Posted by Michael David Smith on November 19, 2015, 4:13 PM EST

Getty Images

There’s a risk of beating a dead horse when you talk about QBR, ESPN’s proprietary statistic that was rolled out with great fanfare four years ago as the “one stat that measures the totality of a quarterback’s performance.” I said plenty about QBR last week, and perhaps no more needs to be said.

But today I decided to dig a little deeper into what is, according to QBR, the greatest game any quarterback has ever played: Charlie Batch’s 186-yard, two-interception performance against the Buccaneers in 2010.

 

[Gator88]

Never said they didn't have a right to do it - what I said is it portrayed the wrong image, just like the Giants and their Miami boat junket. All the media analysis would've died quickly had they won, but because they didn't, it just amplified it. And it's fair game since they didn't win. No matter what you say, it is impossible to say the trip did not affect them. Neither is it possible to say it did. But what can be said is it affected the way they were perceived.

There are many things in life we have the right to do, but are not expedient to do. I have the right to tell me boss away from work that he's a pompous PoS, but it's not exactly the best way to further my career.

And as I said, I had more of an issue with the message Coach Cup Cake sent with the bye comment.

Meh, Dak and Zeke went clubbing during the bye week in 2016, which was worse due to the facility not being shut down, and nobody batted an eye. The media just hated on Romo and the lemmings followed along.

 

[LocimusPrime]

Charlie batch is da best NFL qb ever cause QBR tells me so

 

[LocimusPrime]

QBR is intended to account for all those factors, just so you know.

Oh I just read what I posted and didn't want it to seem antagonistic towards you. I know you were just trying to provide insight. Thank you

 

[pansophy]

I know but I also know qbr is a flawed formula

Charlie's batch 186 yds 2 int had the best qbr ever in NFL history

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.c...6-yard-two-pick-game-has-espns-best-qbr-ever/

Charlie Batch’s 186-yard, two-pick game has ESPN’s best QBR ever
Posted by Michael David Smith on November 19, 2015, 4:13 PM EST

Getty Images

There’s a risk of beating a dead horse when you talk about QBR, ESPN’s proprietary statistic that was rolled out with great fanfare four years ago as the “one stat that measures the totality of a quarterback’s performance.” I said plenty about QBR last week, and perhaps no more needs to be said.

But today I decided to dig a little deeper into what is, according to QBR, the greatest game any quarterback has ever played: Charlie Batch’s 186-yard, two-interception performance against the Buccaneers in 2010.

The analysis does rely on humans rating plays, and so while this may have been true in 2015 clearly they have gone back and reevaluated that game. It's not currently listed in the top 50 games played.

 

[Ken]

Dak is avg and if you want to believe he is more than that and use them flawed stats do that. Don't care what you think just as I'm sure you feel the same about me. Dak is avg and if you disagree that's cool too.

You can keep saying it but you have nothing, other then flawed analysis, to back it up.

I respect your flawed opinion though!

 

[pansophy]

I know but I also know qbr is a flawed formula

Charlie's batch 186 yds 2 int had the best qbr ever in NFL history

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.c...6-yard-two-pick-game-has-espns-best-qbr-ever/

Charlie Batch’s 186-yard, two-pick game has ESPN’s best QBR ever
Posted by Michael David Smith on November 19, 2015, 4:13 PM EST

Getty Images

There’s a risk of beating a dead horse when you talk about QBR, ESPN’s proprietary statistic that was rolled out with great fanfare four years ago as the “one stat that measures the totality of a quarterback’s performance.” I said plenty about QBR last week, and perhaps no more needs to be said.

But today I decided to dig a little deeper into what is, according to QBR, the greatest game any quarterback has ever played: Charlie Batch’s 186-yard, two-interception performance against the Buccaneers in 2010.

Also take note that QBR represents the likelihood of winning a game with such a performance and two QBs lost in the top 100 games played. That is what one would expect if the stat is an accurate reflection of reality.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

1. Thank you for posting. It was great example of how stats lie or can be manipulated.
2. Peeps here can't seem to analyze qb play on its own. They are using wins as a qb stat. A great qb with an inferior defense an running game can be defeated by a lesser qb with a great defense ect.
3. i believe it's futile to discuss Dak with some because they are entrenched in their beliefs and any attempt to point out any Dak deficiency just results in name calling or worse.

Whenever someone uses wins to justify Dak at QB its an easy tell that they don't really understand football.

 

[bayeslife]

Oh do we like QBR now? When it favored Dak everyone said it was a trash made up stat by ESPN

lolllllll

 

[OmerV]

This is simple.

If you're analyzing QB you're looking at his play individually and his contribution (to that play) within the context of each play. If you're trying to do simple analysis based on pure yardage totals your contention would stand.

I'm not giving Dak as much credit for a simple 5-yard pass on quick slant that Cooper turns into a 40 yard TD, as much as I would that dime he dropped into Brice Butler hands in Green Bay in 2016. If you can't get past the yardage aspect you're not getting the point.

I'm not going strictly on yardage totals - I've said several times I thought he played well other than those plays - admitting he wasn't playing at an elite level. If you look at the history of the discussion, I'm not claiming Dak played at a star level, just that he played well rather than horribly almost the entire game as the OP indicated,

In any case, while I get that a QB shouldn't get too much credit for an easy throw, it's certainly not fair to judge as if certain passes didn't happen either, or to suggest that if you remove those yardage totals his yardage was insignificant. Suppose Cooper had been tackled immediately after the catch in both cases. How does it make sense to judge as if the drive ended without that throw and catch having ever happened, not considering there was a throw and catch and yardage gained at the point of the catch that was sufficient for a first down, and therefore the drive would have continued even without the long runs after the catch. Who knows what Dak may have done, good or bad, after that, but it makes no sense to judge him as if there weren't ongoing drives prior to those passes.

And, neither was a 5 yard pass. I believe someone wrote the 90 yarder travelled 27 yards in the air, and as we saw, it was dropped to the receiver with 3 defenders around Cooper. Pretty damn nice throw really. The 40 yarder was, admittedly, an easy throw, although still I think 10-12 yards in the air, but we don't judge other QBs by ignoring their easy throws, so why should we do that with Dak? Besides, part of making easy throws is making proper reads, and a QB does get credit for that.

 

[DFWJC]

I think Dak will have a big game this week.
Not sure we’ll win, but I think his numbers will be decent.