Next Time we Discuss Dak's Stats

[DFWJC]

I know but I also know qbr is a flawed formula

Charlie's batch 186 yds 2 int had the best qbr ever in NFL history

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.c...6-yard-two-pick-game-has-espns-best-qbr-ever/

Charlie Batch’s 186-yard, two-pick game has ESPN’s best QBR ever
Posted by Michael David Smith on November 19, 2015, 4:13 PM EST

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There’s a risk of beating a dead horse when you talk about QBR, ESPN’s proprietary statistic that was rolled out with great fanfare four years ago as the “one stat that measures the totality of a quarterback’s performance.” I said plenty about QBR last week, and perhaps no more needs to be said.

But today I decided to dig a little deeper into what is, according to QBR, the greatest game any quarterback has ever played: Charlie Batch’s 186-yard, two-interception performance against the Buccaneers in 2010.

 

[SackMaster]

This might be the best way to look at it. We might be able to win with Dak but he's never going to be that guy that can overcome crap breaking down all around him like other top QBs can and have.

Oh, you mean like Aaron Rogers who is carrying the GB Packers this year?

While I'm not saying that Dak is carrying the Cowboys, to act like QBs solely carrying their teams is a COMMON occurrence is ridiculous.

Even great QBs need weapons to throw to, have a reliable running back, a good o-line to block for them and a defense that can make critical stops to consistently win in the NFL.

 

[JustChip]

Meh, Dak and Zeke went clubbing during the bye week in 2016, which was worse due to the facility not being shut down, and nobody batted an eye. The media just hated on Romo and the lemmings followed along.

And maybe that's why they came out and fell behind 21-3.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

I'm not going strictly on yardage totals - I've said several times I thought he played well other than those plays - admitting he wasn't playing at an elite level.

We will just have to agree to disagree. Deep into a close game Dak had missed several open receivers, taken awful sacks had horrible footwork and had under 150 yards passing and was being out played by a backup QB on a reeling team.

If that's your definition of "Well".....then is anyone bad?

 

[Ken]

He has played 5 more games than Wentz and 10 more than Goff lol. If you go by per game...

Dak - 196.2 yards, 1.2 pass td, .46 int
Wentz - 253.1 yards, 1.7 pass td, .71 int
Goff - 255.8 yards, 1.8 pass td, .61 int

The only thing Dak does it throw fewer picks, but that's because he doesn't try to push the ball down the field. These numbers would also be very, very different if you only included, say, the last 20 games, because the numbers aren't even close.

I still don't understand why people try to put Dak into a class of QBs that he doesn't belong in. He's not Jared Goff, and isn't ever going to be. To try to say he's a better passer is ridiculous.

Lol...quite selective numbers there.

Somehow you managed to ding Dak because he is durable and hasn't been benched or injured like the guys you say are so much better.

YPG is useless as they are in throwing offenses vs the Cowboys run first offense. I believe if you also factor in rushing tds...because those count the same as a pass AND they also take away the possibility of the qb throwing a td in those instances. Add 17 of those to Dak's numbers and 1 and 2 for Goff and Wentz respectively and let me know what you come up with.

Also...while you are at it...let me know how many wins those talent elevating players have and how many games they have won in the clutch.


May also want to include completion percentage and ypp to just get a feel for the innacurate Prescott.

Thanks!

 

[cern]

People bet on horse races knowing nothing about what it takes to raise and train racing horses. Same for greyhounds (recently banned). Point is, if you don't understand the game, all you have to go on is stats. Especially when you refuse to believe your own eyes. Great coaches like parcells simplify the game. Big, strong, fast guys. He was happy with bus driver Phil Sims. Super bowls. Hof. For some, that's enough. But not for many zoners.

 

[Ken]

Its obvious to anybody that knows football, that numbers lie


For example:

Dak vs Titans
21 for 31
67%
243 yards
2 TD
1 int
99.3 rating
7.8 y/a


What these numbers dont show is just how bad that 1 int was. Up 7-0 at the 3 yard line, and he throws one of the worst passes ever into double coverage.

What these numbers dont show is his stupid fumble in our own territory when hes trying to muscle a yard or two while being sacked on third and long, essentially fumbling the ball.


Dak. Is. Not. A. Good. Quarterback

YOu. ARE. NOT. A. Good. POSTER. lol

Yes...that ONE ad pick makes him a bad qb lol . Hillarious.

 

[Ken]

I know but I also know qbr is a flawed formula

Charlie's batch 186 yds 2 int had the best qbr ever in NFL history

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.c...6-yard-two-pick-game-has-espns-best-qbr-ever/

Charlie Batch’s 186-yard, two-pick game has ESPN’s best QBR ever
Posted by Michael David Smith on November 19, 2015, 4:13 PM EST

Getty Images

There’s a risk of beating a dead horse when you talk about QBR, ESPN’s proprietary statistic that was rolled out with great fanfare four years ago as the “one stat that measures the totality of a quarterback’s performance.” I said plenty about QBR last week, and perhaps no more needs to be said.

But today I decided to dig a little deeper into what is, according to QBR, the greatest game any quarterback has ever played: Charlie Batch’s 186-yard, two-interception performance against the Buccaneers in 2010.

Should have dug a little deeper as thry revised the stat and Batch isn't even on the list of greatest games.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/qbr/_/year/0/type/alltime-game

 

[Bleu Star]

YOu. ARE. NOT. A. Good. POSTER. lol

Yes...that ONE ad pick makes him a bad qb lol . Hillarious.

This is all rather amusing.

 

[keysersoze]

Except the cowboys were competitive against the Commanders. The cowboys won.

Other than that minor small insignificant detail. You’re onto something.

LOL. Yea. That was one dumb —- post.

 

[keysersoze]

He is the guy who fumbled in the endzone giving them the first win.

Ask them what they think about Cooper!

Cooper didn’t throw the ball to himself

 

[G2]

 

[keysersoze]

People bet on horse races knowing nothing about what it takes to raise and train racing horses. Same for greyhounds (recently banned). Point is, if you don't understand the game, all you have to go on is stats. Especially when you refuse to believe your own eyes. Great coaches like parcells simplify the game. Big, strong, fast guys. He was happy with bus driver Phil Sims. Super bowls. Hof. For some, that's enough. But not for many zoners.

Exactly!!! I’m still waiting on a response to another post where I asked someone to name a quarterback who completely carried his team. I still haven’t received an answer

 

[keysersoze]

Lol...quite selective numbers there.

Somehow you managed to ding Dak because he is durable and hasn't been benched or injured like the guys you say are so much better.

YPG is useless as they are in throwing offenses vs the Cowboys run first offense. I believe if you also factor in rushing tds...because those count the same as a pass AND they also take away the possibility of the qb throwing a td in those instances. Add 17 of those to Dak's numbers and 1 and 2 for Goff and Wentz respectively and let me know what you come up with.

Also...while you are at it...let me know how many wins those talent elevating players have and how many games they have won in the clutch.


May also want to include completion percentage and ypp to just get a feel for the innacurate Prescott.

Thanks!

DAMN!!!! Shut him down then... Lol

 

[G2]

Cooper didn’t throw the ball to himself

Nope! And let's cater to the desperate folk who want to subtract 2 TD passes.

Pretty sure Prescott SOMEHOW got a few other solid passes off.

 

[HungryLion]

Exactly!!! I’m still waiting on a response to another post where I asked someone to name a quarterback who completely carried his team. I still haven’t received an answer

This is one of the biggest myths spread on this board that annoys me.

I have no problem with open and realistic debate about Dak. But people spreading this myth that Franchise QB’s “carry” poor teams to anything of significance is just not true.

I happen to think Tom Brady is the best QB of all time. He has had quality offensive lines almost his whole career. Played with hall of famers like Randy Moss, and Rob Gronkowski. Has had quality receivers like Wes Welker and Julian Edelman. And Troy Brown.

He has had very talented defense for stretches of his career. And plays for the best head coach ever.

Point is, even though I think he is the best QB ever. He has never carried a team to a Super Bowl. He needs help to get there and win it.

Less help than other QB’s would probably need. But still needs help.

Football is the ultimate team sport.

 

[LocimusPrime]

Should have dug a little deeper as thry revised the stat and Batch isn't even on the list of greatest games.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/qbr/_/year/0/type/alltime-game

its ok. It's still fundamentally flawed. There's more articles discussing this very issue

 

[keysersoze]

Nope! And let's cater to the desperate folk who want to subtract 2 TD passes.

Pretty sure Prescott SOMEHOW got a few other solid passes off.

Yep. A couple were dropped. But never mind that. SMH

 

[LocimusPrime]

Oh do we like QBR now? When it favored Dak everyone said it was a trash made up stat by ESPN

lolllllll

It changes from week to week

 

[keysersoze]

This is one of the biggest myths spread on this board that annoys me.

I have no problem with open and realistic debate about Dak. But people spreading this myth that Franchise QB’s “carry” poor teams to anything of significance is just not true.

I happen to think Tom Brady is the best QB of all time. He has had quality offensive lines almost his whole career. Played with hall of famers like Randy Moss, and Rob Gronkowski. Has had quality receivers like Wes Welker and Julian Edelman. And Troy Brown.

He has had very talented defense for stretches of his career. And plays for the best head coach ever.

Point is, even though I think he is the best QB ever. He has never carried a team to a Super Bowl. He needs help to get there and win it.

Less help than other QB’s would probably need. But still needs help.

Football is the ultimate team sport.

I’ll give you one more thing.... With the exception of the Super Bowl vs Atlanta, even Brady comes up short when asked to do too much and carry the team. No successful quarterback has ever had to carry a team. A team that needs to be carried won’t ever win much. So yes!! That’s a false narrative provided by those with an anti Dak agenda.