Next Time we Discuss Dak's Stats

Philmonroe

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You can keep saying it but you have nothing, other then flawed analysis, to back it up.

I respect your flawed opinion though! :)
I and others have the truth not bullcrap he's one of three people to score a td after eating a burrito stats you and your groupie organization keep coming up with. I don't need you to respect my opinion because you'll find out eventually what I and others have been saying about Dak Smith
 

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... Remember Mariota and Monday nights game against the Texans.

Mariota went 22-23 with a perfect passer rating. And yet the Titans were not competitive. This tweet does a good job of explaining why his stats did not match the eye test.



This reminds me of Dak against the Commanders. He was awful essentially the entire game. And yet due to two passes his passer rating was stellar. Eye test > Stats in this case.

As a reminder Dak is 23rd in the NFL in QBR. Top 5? Brees, Mahomes, Rivers, Goff and Wilson in that order.

For added Dak context Joe Flacco and Ryan Fitzpatrick have been better. Fitzpatrick has been benched twice and there is talk Joe has been Wally Pipped. Meanwhile we wouldn't trade Dak for 2 first rounders and are backing up the Brinks truck. Future is bright!

We played the 22nd today is the 27th. Dak's performance left you stumped that long on how to tear it down and this is the best you got?
 

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I and others have the truth not bullcrap he's one of three people to score a td after eating a burrito stats you and your groupie organization keep coming up with. I don't need you to respect my opinion because you'll find out eventually what I and others have been saying about Dak Smith
Uh huh.

Well...my side will be getting an extension and a big cobtract to lead this young, talented team far into the playoffs and compete for super bowls for years to come.

Your side will whine the whole time ...lol
 

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This might be the best way to look at it. We might be able to win with Dak but he's never going to be that guy that can overcome crap breaking down all around him like other top QBs can and have.

Which is the case with 90% of the qbs in the league, you can count on 1 hand the qbs that can overcome crap breaking down around him. Those qbs, Brady,Rodgers,Brees. Also Dak is in year 3, lots of growing left.
 

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Except the game was in jeopardy because we couldn't create big plays until we finally did.

It's a big play league and Dak is not a big play guy.

We won because eventually Cooper made some big plays.

If Dak was a big play guy we'd be a Superbowl team.

So Dak didn't throw a perfect pass 27 yards that gave Cooper a chance at the big play?
Dak scramble for a TD not a big play?
 

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Well.. Dak had 285 passing yards and 190 of it was YAC yards so you tell me.


The throw to Cooper for his 2nd TD was brilliant but those throws for Dak are few and far between.

Regardless, he's made them, and he's still learning as a qb. He's a 4th rounder.
 

Philmonroe

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Uh huh.

Well...my side will be getting an extension and a big cobtract to lead this young, talented team far into the playoffs and compete for super bowls for years to come.

Your side will whine the whole time ...lol
Since youre not getting a dime off his contract that groupie business about his contract shouldn't mean nothing to you. Notice I only bring up his play on field because that's all that matters not groupie business. Dak might be on the team that does these things but he won't be the reasons they are there. Let's be honest can you even name two games he took over as the main person most would say he was the reason for winning? Maybe some game from 2016
 

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... Remember Mariota and Monday nights game against the Texans.

Mariota went 22-23 with a perfect passer rating. And yet the Titans were not competitive. This tweet does a good job of explaining why his stats did not match the eye test.



This reminds me of Dak against the Commanders. He was awful essentially the entire game. And yet due to two passes his passer rating was stellar. Eye test > Stats in this case.

As a reminder Dak is 23rd in the NFL in QBR. Top 5? Brees, Mahomes, Rivers, Goff and Wilson in that order.

For added Dak context Joe Flacco and Ryan Fitzpatrick have been better. Fitzpatrick has been benched twice and there is talk Joe has been Wally Pipped. Meanwhile we wouldn't trade Dak for 2 first rounders and are backing up the Brinks truck. Future is bright!

Why did Joe have a head ache?
 

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I'm not going strictly on yardage totals - I've said several times I thought he played well other than those plays - admitting he wasn't playing at an elite level. If you look at the history of the discussion, I'm not claiming Dak played at a star level, just that he played well rather than horribly almost the entire game as the OP indicated,

In any case, while I get that a QB shouldn't get too much credit for an easy throw, it's certainly not fair to judge as if certain passes didn't happen either, or to suggest that if you remove those yardage totals his yardage was insignificant. Suppose Cooper had been tackled immediately after the catch in both cases. How does it make sense to judge as if the drive ended without that throw and catch having ever happened, not considering there was a throw and catch and yardage gained at the point of the catch that was sufficient for a first down, and therefore the drive would have continued even without the long runs after the catch. Who knows what Dak may have done, good or bad, after that, but it makes no sense to judge him as if there weren't ongoing drives prior to those passes.

And, neither was a 5 yard pass. I believe someone wrote the 90 yarder travelled 27 yards in the air, and as we saw, it was dropped to the receiver with 3 defenders around Cooper. Pretty damn nice throw really. The 40 yarder was, admittedly, an easy throw, although still I think 10-12 yards in the air, but we don't judge other QBs by ignoring their easy throws, so why should we do that with Dak? Besides, part of making easy throws is making proper reads, and a QB does get credit for that.

I'm really not sure where the discussion of drives ending, not counting certain throws, sufficient for a first down, et cetera is about. That's not a point I'm making.

I'm looking at each individual play and analyzing Dak's contribution to it. I'm looking at it in a vacuum and judging how he performed on a given play, which is precisely why I can say he made a nice throw on that 90 yarder but didn't do anything special on that 40 yaeder.

What I think you've clearly seen by the ardent Dak supporters is they like to look at the stats (of course, only when it's beneficial to do so) at a high level and surmise "See, Dak did great! He threw for ~280 yards."
 

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Exactly!!! I’m still waiting on a response to another post where I asked someone to name a quarterback who completely carried his team. I still haven’t received an answer
You never will. We both know why.
 

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Which is the case with 90% of the qbs in the league, you can count on 1 hand the qbs that can overcome crap breaking down around him. Those qbs, Brady,Rodgers,Brees. Also Dak is in year 3, lots of growing left.
And Rodgers is very questionable. People are finally starting to say something about the golden boy, he's not a late game QB.
 

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Yep. Because that quarterback has NEVER EXISTED
Define "completely".

At present, Andrew Luck is "carrying" a crapp Colts team. Elway, David Carr, Archie Manning, and at times Payton Manning carried their team.
 

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Define "completely".

At present, Andrew Luck is "carrying" a crapp Colts team. Elway, David Carr, Archie Manning, and at times Payton Manning carried their team.
Completely meaning that all other aspects of the team is trash EXCEPT the quarterback. And that quarterback brings the team much success regardless. Name one! No quarterback has ever carried an entire team to championship success without receivers, Oline, defense or running backs. Not a one.
 

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I think Dak will have a big game this week.
Not sure we’ll win, but I think his numbers will be decent.

I actually tend to agree with this. I think Dak actually is going to have his best game of the season. I’ve never even uttered those words about this QB, but I’ve got a hunch he lets it fly this week in the air.
 

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its ok. It's still fundamentally flawed. There's more articles discussing this very issue
It's a bit fishy to me that the Batch game disappeared into thin air like that... I can't even find it anywhere in the list. But it looks like they bumped up the minimum number of plays the QB participates in just high enough to get rid of Batch's stain on the ledger...
 
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