Next Time we Discuss Dak's Stats

[Philmonroe]

Same topic, same people, same assertions, same replies, same arguments. Rinse, wash, repeat.

Anyone else think we need a pinned Dak thread to keep this blather out of the rest of the threads?

Ive been said this and hell to be honest people on both sides of this argument have exhausted all the talking points. I just think this Dak civil war is something to do to get us between games. We could all just avoid the Dak threads that don't fit our pov on him but we don't so we love it even if we claim we don't lol. Not like we are changing each other's minds on him.

 

[DFWJC]

What is Dak's W/L record?

Pulling for Dak, but come on...
QBs dont have W/L records, teams do.

 

[Corso]

Snore... a new way to say the same thing. Don't you guys ever get tired of being repetitious?

 

[Denim Chicken]

Dak Prescott will never be a QB that elevates the players around him like Drew Brees does. He is the QB that needs the players around him like Zeke, the and WR's to elevate HIM.

Some fans are ok with that. Just build around him. Others want the QB to be THE guy. And Prescott can't be that.

That's why there will never be consensus on this forum and elsewhere about Dak. Even if he wins a Super Bowl the qustion will always be was it Dak? Or was it the other guys.

this is a good post.

 

[gjkoeppen]

Yeah, Cabo is overblown. But what is relevant to this discussion from a Romo standpoint is how good his stats looked in the 2014 playoff game dinking and dunking with TWill taking a short pass to the house and another 1 yard TD when we could have ran Murray in. He had great stats and the team only put up 21 points. What's often overlooked are the 3 horrible sacks he took and bobbled snap stalling drives and his decision to proceed with a deep pass on 4th and short instead of calling a timeout and getting a higher risk play.

But his stats were good and only 21 points.

So saying that, I agree with the OP. I just think it applies to all players and not just some of the players.

I think it's really funny that you bring up sacks of Romo who is known to BUY time moving around in the backfield until a receiver gets open. To this day they still show him buying 7 and 8 SECONDS and then throwing a strike to a receiver. But then when the defense is instantly on him even QB's that have his ability also get sacks but people like you only think sacks happen to Cowboy QB's. I fail to see how throwing a 1 yard TD is any different than a 1 yard run in your "ONLY 21 POINT" whine. Basically all your doing is whining about the QB that holds many of the Cowboys passing records and that's all.
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[G2]

It should not be hard to differentiate making a winning play and playing poorly.

Posit for a moment a hypothetical where a wr has many drops, catches a ball and fumbles it away and then later catches the game winning touchdown. You'd say that player played poorly but made a play to help his team win. Right? That isn't hard to understand.

It's obviously hard for you to understand.

 

[LatinMind]

... Remember Mariota and Monday nights game against the Texans.

Mariota went 22-23 with a perfect passer rating. And yet the Titans were not competitive. This tweet does a good job of explaining why his stats did not match the eye test.



This reminds me of Dak against the Commanders. He was awful essentially the entire game. And yet due to two passes his passer rating was stellar. Eye test > Stats in this case.

As a reminder Dak is 23rd in the NFL in QBR. Top 5? Brees, Mahomes, Rivers, Goff and Wilson in that order.

For added Dak context Joe Flacco and Ryan Fitzpatrick have been better. Fitzpatrick has been benched twice and there is talk Joe has been Wally Pipped. Meanwhile we wouldn't trade Dak for 2 first rounders and are backing up the Brinks truck. Future is bright!

Prime example of not knowing what really controls the QBR. Dak is never going to have a very good QBR because the offense is predicated on long sustained drives. There isnt going to be many long quick scores that boost up that yrds per att. This stat was put in place for fantasy leagues. Its a bull stat that is meant to "incorporate" passes and what they means for the win.

Why will Dak never have the QBR? Because Dallas marches down the field in 10+ plays and the majority of the time its him or Elliot rushing for a TD. If you people are going to post threads about next gen stats, please atleast understand them. These next gen stats are all shoved down our throats for fantasy league purposes.

Why do you think that list you posted Brees Mahomes Rivers and Goff have the best QBRs? Because they are the best teams running a spread offense that utilizes the "natural pick" thus you get them long scores. Quick hit passes to open receivers who are open because the league wants big scores. Its amazing how many people are still clueless as to what make these next gen stats work. But still want to use them because they look good in a argument theyre trying to make.

 

[Direwolf63]

Dak Prescott will never be a QB that elevates the players around him like Drew Brees does. He is the QB that needs the players around him like Zeke, the and WR's to elevate HIM.

Some fans are ok with that. Just build around him. Others want the QB to be THE guy. And Prescott can't be that.

That's why there will never be consensus on this forum and elsewhere about Dak. Even if he wins a Super Bowl the qustion will always be was it Dak? Or was it the other guys.

I left out a piece. He is a QB that needs players around him like Zeke, the o-line and WR's to elevate HIM.

 

[Zman5]

In a 99 pass 3 game sample do you think Goff has 2 passes that account for almost 20% of his total yardage?

Goff has passed for 3547 yards and 1663 yards are YAC. Do the math.

 

[Aviano90]

I think it's really funny that you bring up sacks of Romo who is known to BUY time moving around in the backfield until a receiver gets open. To this day they still show him buying 7 and 8 SECONDS and then throwing a strike to a receiver. But then when the defense is instantly on him even QB's that have his ability also get sacks but people like you only think sacks happen to Cowboy QB's. I fail to see how throwing a 1 yard TD is any different than a 1 yard run in your "ONLY 21 POINT" whine. Basically all your doing is whining about the QB that holds many of the Cowboys passing records and that's all.
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He is also notorious for holding the ball too long. And it happened 3 times that game. That's not whining about stats, it is looking past stats to specific plays which helps lose ball games. It's just alright if Romo is making his mistakes and Dak is not with some of you. It's the double standard.

 

[Risen Star]

Dak Prescott will never be a QB that elevates the players around him like Drew Brees does. He is the QB that needs the players around him like Zeke, the and WR's to elevate HIM.

Some fans are ok with that. Just build around him. Others want the QB to be THE guy. And Prescott can't be that.

That's why there will never be consensus on this forum and elsewhere about Dak. Even if he wins a Super Bowl the qustion will always be was it Dak? Or was it the other guys.

Those that are okay with it are merely cheerleaders who are okay with anything this team does. I had these same discussions when Quincy was the QB.

QB is the most important, impactful position in all of sports. The Cowboys already have a huge handicap at GM and head coach. To be okay with going into games with a disadvantage at QB as well is insane to me. We can't possibly travel a harder road to a title than that.

But again, these people accept anything they're given. They don't really have opinions. They saw the intelligence of the "get by" philosophy along the OL years ago and then celebrated a complete 180 of that when the Cowboys made it a top priority. Both plans were brilliant. Go Cowboys.

Every single one of them would laugh at Dak Prescott if he wore a Commanders or Eagles uniform. You can't take them seriously. You learn over time who is reasonable and who is not and approach their comments accordingly.

 

[LatinMind]

I left out a piece. He is a QB that needs players around him like Zeke, the o-line and WR's to elevate HIM.

Besides Brady and Rodgers who doesnt?

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Goff has passed for 3547 yards and 1647 yards are YAC. Do the math.

Please reread what I wrote and try again. Because you don't get it.

 

[cern]

Goff was on a 1 way street headed to bustville and the Rams saved his career by hiring the right coach.

Dak and Garrett together will just continue to bring mediocre at best results in the pass game.

just as children cannot chose their parents, dak did not choose his head coach. clearly a more offensive minded hc would be just the ticket for dak.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Dak is never going to have a very good QBR

Hey man this is going to be embarrassing for you... Just try to take it in stride.. . But in 2016 Dak had the 3rd best QBR in all of football.

If he repeated that performance he'd be 3rd this year as well.

Prime example of not knowing what really controls the QBR.

This boys and girls is what we call irony.

Thank u, next

 

[Zman5]

Please reread what I wrote and try again. Because you don't get it.

You complained about 20% of Dak yards being YAC. Almost 50% of Goff's yards are YAC

 

[Denim Chicken]

QB is the most important, impactful position in all of sports. The Cowboys already have a huge handicap at GM and head coach. To be okay with going into games with a disadvantage at QB as well is insane to me. We can't possibly travel a harder road to a title than that.

My issue is with those who think we can do no worse at QB. We can most certainly do worse--a lot worse. Many would be content to plug another QB into Dak's position simply because they are not Dak. I favor a more judicious approach than sage advise to simply "blow it up". It's an upgradable position to be sure, but another warm body is not going to do the trick, we need a talented prospect and those do not grow on trees.

 

[gjkoeppen]

Troy Aikman and several other Cowboys Greats said that was a very dumb thing to do, especially during the playoffs. Then Romo's response about how he wasn't worried about "perception" and how if he never played another football game again that he would have lived a great life, well, that said everything about Romo. What's your explanation for Romo, Witten, Austin and several others playing hide-n-go-seek among an "only men" Romo bachelor party alone in the mountains of West Virginia? That didn't tell you anything either?

I fail to see the "ONLY MEN" thing. I've gone to bachelor parties my entire adult life and never once were they EVER gee bring a date with you if you want to. Hey brainiac that's what bachelor parties are, just the guys hanging out. So now you're the bachelor part police? Being honest about how having been able to live the life he dreamed of since childhood and playing in the NFL and how if it all ended that he was happy that he had lived out his dream is wrong? Try stop being a Romo hater.
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[xwalker]

... Remember Mariota and Monday nights game against the Texans.

Mariota went 22-23 with a perfect passer rating. And yet the Titans were not competitive. This tweet does a good job of explaining why his stats did not match the eye test.



This reminds me of Dak against the Commanders. He was awful essentially the entire game. And yet due to two passes his passer rating was stellar. Eye test > Stats in this case.

As a reminder Dak is 23rd in the NFL in QBR. Top 5? Brees, Mahomes, Rivers, Goff and Wilson in that order.

For added Dak context Joe Flacco and Ryan Fitzpatrick have been better. Fitzpatrick has been benched twice and there is talk Joe has been Wally Pipped. Meanwhile we wouldn't trade Dak for 2 first rounders and are backing up the Brinks truck. Future is bright!

You are making an argument based on 1 game for Mariota.

You might be correct, but your post does not prove anything either way.


A good study would be to look at the QBR for the past 10 years of Quarterbacks that made it to the Super Bowl (both winners and losers of the Super Bowl).

Look at their QBR for that season, that post season and the Super Bowl. Also look at their career QBR and the average NFL QBR of teams with winning records vs losing records in those time frames.

Then look at the QBR allowed by the defenses on those 20 QBs teams (regular season, post season, Super Bowl) as compared to the average in the same time frames to see how much those QBs defenses helped them.

If your goal is to show that QBR is better than QB rating, then show the rating as well.

 

[links18]

Ask the Commanders what they think about Dak? Better yet, go to their forums and find out for yourself.

They cant believe they lost to Dak?