Next Time we Discuss Dak's Stats

[Toruk_Makto]

You complained about 20% of Dak yards being YAC. Almost 50% of Goff's yards are YAC

I did not. 2 passes accounted for almost 20% of ALL the yards Dak passed for in THREE games and over 99 pass ATTEMPTS.

This is total yards.

 

[cern]

Those that are okay with it are merely cheerleaders who are okay with anything this team does. I had these same discussions when Quincy was the QB.

QB is the most important, impactful position in all of sports. The Cowboys already have a huge handicap at GM and head coach. To be okay with going into games with a disadvantage at QB as well is insane to me. We can't possibly travel a harder road to a title than that.

But again, these people accept anything they're given. They don't really have opinions. They saw the intelligence of the "get by" philosophy along the OL years ago and then celebrated a complete 180 of that when the Cowboys made it a top priority. Both plans were brilliant. Go Cowboys.

Every single one of them would laugh at Dak Prescott if he wore a Commanders or Eagles uniform. You can't take them seriously. You learn over time who is reasonable and who is not and approach their comments accordingly.

yet more musings from the porcelain throne. can you ever get enough of yourself? doesn't look like it.

 

[CavalierOsprey]

I left one word out...

Absolute trash post.

Ask the Commanders what they think about Dak? Better yet, go to their forums and find out for yourself.

Should one search their forums after the Washington win vs Dallas or after the Washington loss vs Dallas to get a good read on what Commander fans think about Dak?

Asking for a friend. Smh

 

[Toruk_Makto]

You are making an argument based on 1 game for Mariota.

That's actually not what I'm doing. I'm using the game Mariota played as an example of a qb having great stats but having actually played poorly.

You might be correct, but your post does not prove anything either way.[/QUOTE]

You clearly misread the point of my post.

A good study would be to look at the QBR for the past 10 years of Quarterbacks that made it to the Super Bowl (both winners and losers of the Super Bowl).

Look at their QBR for that season, that post season and the Super Bowl. Also look at their career QBR and the average NFL QBR of teams with winning records vs losing records in those time frames.

Then look at the QBR allowed by the defenses on those 20 QBs teams (regular season, post season, Super Bowl) as compared to the average in the same time frames to see how much those QBs defenses helped them.

If your goal is to show that QBR is better than QB rating, then show the rating as well.

This would be a good study if I was trying to determine average QBR of winning champions and average QBR allowed by winning defense. A noble cause but not a topic I was discussing at the moment in this thread that I began.

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

Here's the thing the Romo haters NEVER bring up about that trip to Cabo on the bye week of the playoffs. First, Phillips told the team to get a way for a couple of days. Second, Witten was with Romo but THAT'S NEVER MENTIONED. All they say is Romo was in Cabo.

Camp Cupcake.

 

[Brax]

oh those are stats now. Good to know!

How bout that cap backward - is that a stat too. That's about where I put that Cabo trip. He should have stayed at home and played checkers!

I would rather spend the week end with Jessica myself, If Cabo is all they have it is really pitiful, It really amazes me when the heat is on bring up TR, or the best - don't you remember 2016. Honest answers wanted, weekend home alone or week end with Jessica Simpson in Cabo on your week off, all you guys who would rather the week end at home chime right in let us know.

 

[gjkoeppen]

Goff is overrated and is more of a system QB which gives me hope for Dak since we are in our Jeff Fisher stage but even though Goff is a system QB he still has some arm talent vs Dak not having much.

Goff was on a 1 way street headed to bustville and the Rams saved his career by hiring the right coach.

Dak and Garrett together will just continue to bring mediocre at best results in the pass game.

Have all of you that say Prescott doesn't have any arm talent seem to forget his rookie year and what his passer rating was. It's funny when the Cowboys were 13 - 3 and had over a 100 passer rating and was offensive rookie of the year we did hear or see thread after thread of his lack of arm talent. And then in 2017 the Cowboys had the league leader in drops, Bryant, and even sure handed Beasley had more drops in 2017 than the previous 2 seasons combined and yet it's all Prescott without much arm talent. Then in week 9 the Cowboys acquire Cooper and Prescott's passing gets much better. What it boils down to is when the Cowboys weren't winning or having a 13-3 record it's all Prescott's fault, there are no OTHER reasons for it.
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[America's Cowboy]

I'm anti avg qb and if that means anti Dak ****. Now what you gonna do? Allthe typical you live at your moms house talk isn't close to true so try again lazy. Also when trying to say someone is on here all day please look at yourself and your groupie crew and remember that when throwing rocks from your glass house. Lastly why don't you post your bank statements and housing situation so I can see how the Dak groupie leader is living since I'm living with my mom. I want to be inspired by you

Retired and own a small independent business. Have plenty of down time. How about you?

I fail to see the "ONLY MEN" thing. I've gone to bachelor parties my entire adult life and never once were they EVER gee bring a date with you if you want to. Hey brainiac that's what bachelor parties are, just the guys hanging out. So now you're the bachelor part police? Being honest about how having been able to live the life he dreamed of since childhood and playing in the NFL and how if it all ended that he was happy that he had lived out his dream is wrong? Try stop being a Romo hater.
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So you're ok with grown men who starred for our Cowboys playing hide-n-go-seek alone in the mountains of West Virginia? You were fine with the Cabo trip during the playoffs or going Hollywood for years during his early prime years, etc?

 

[Bleu Star]

I have been one of Daks biggest critics and it's been tough since I really like the person he is. I have to admit that I did see some growth in him this last game. Not on the 2 TD plays with Cooper, but after re-watching the game, he beat the skins blitz on several occasions with his arm which showed improvement in reading the defense and making the throws. The Skin D is usually pretty effective with blitzing and Dak usually falters with pressure but not last week. Hope to see some consistency.

 

[gjkoeppen]

Camp Cupcake.

No it's not playing follow the leader and spewing unwarranted hatred on the QB that holds most of the Cowboys passing records.
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[Direwolf63]

Those that are okay with it are merely cheerleaders who are okay with anything this team does. I had these same discussions when Quincy was the QB.

QB is the most important, impactful position in all of sports. The Cowboys already have a huge handicap at GM and head coach. To be okay with going into games with a disadvantage at QB as well is insane to me. We can't possibly travel a harder road to a title than that.

But again, these people accept anything they're given. They don't really have opinions. They saw the intelligence of the "get by" philosophy along the OL years ago and then celebrated a complete 180 of that when the Cowboys made it a top priority. Both plans were brilliant. Go Cowboys.

Every single one of them would laugh at Dak Prescott if he wore a Commanders or Eagles uniform. You can't take them seriously. You learn over time who is reasonable and who is not and approach their comments accordingly.

There are the 2 extremes here. The pro Dakkers you talk about. And the anti Dakkers like yourself.

I have some serious problems with Dak and have expressed them many times. No point of doing it again. But at the end of the day, I try to get pragmatic about it.

Jerry Jones nor his kid are going anywhere. And they like Dak. And they will extend him. I just want it to be a deal structured that the team can get out of it in a couple of years.

So that's where we are. What should be done? I've said it a hundred times. Bring in a new set of coaches and a modern offensive scheme. Some 21st Century offensive thinking. And let's see if Dak can run it. Single read passing schemes. Zone reads, etc. For all the craziness of Andy Reid's offense, it is actually very QB friendly in terms of reads. Same with the Rams.

Can Dak do this? I don't know. But if he is going to be around, I would like to see the Cowboys make the effort to find out. You are convinced he can't do it. Maybe you are right. And if you are Dak is gone in a couple of years. Time wasted? Yes. But it's wasted anyway because he will be here whether or not the schemes change. You are not going to get the immediate change you desire.

Bottom line? Jerry is staying. Dak is staying. So change the damn coaches, modernize this offense and see if we can get more out of him. If it works out, we become a very serious contender with this defense.

End of rant.

 

[LatinMind]

Hey man this is going to be embarrassing for you... Just try to take it in stride.. . But in 2016 Dak had the 3rd best QBR in all of football.

If he repeated that performance he'd be 3rd this year as well.



This boys and girls is what we call irony.

Thank u, next

Why? Because he wasnt turning the ball over and he wasnt getting sacked. And look at that Yrd per avg. Why because the offense was complete. What do they have right now? a Patched up OL with a WR core that has Cooper and who else? You people are amazing, you can never just say ok maybe i should think about what im typing because somebody who knows what theyre talking about is going to poke holes in my theory. Dallas leads the league in allowed sacks. Its not all the OL some of it is Dak not knowing when not to take a sack. But the majority of the time its the OL not able to protect. Sacks are the biggest downfall in a QBR.

Sorry, but you have no idea what ur posting.

And just for you, Aaron Rodgers is only 3 spots ahead of Dak in QBR. He's a bad QB too?

Youre trying to argue a bull stat, when you should be looking at a win.

TD to sack ratio for 2016
TD to sack ratio for 2018

How many game winning dirves did Dak have in 2016?
How many this yr?

These two stats alone are the difference. When you dont know you will try to argue til ur dead. Even when you know ur wrong.

 

[HungryLion]

I of course am not removing those 2 plays. I am acknowledging they are outliers. I also referenced Dak's season long ranking which of course includes those passes.

I am actually doing the opposite of removing 2 plays to judge Dak. I am asserting that DESPITE those 2 plays he played a rather poor game for the majority of the game. That is analyzing BEYOND 2 plays. You should try it.

Treating those plays like they are outliers doesn’t make a ton of sense when it comes to football. Actually it is idiotic.

The game of football rather often comes down to only a handful of plays that decide games.

It’s even more unreasonable to try to assess a players overall play, considering the fact that decision making, playcalling, etc are affected by plays that have already happened.

Nobody knows how the game would have played out if Cooper would have been tackled after catching the 90 yard TD pass.

Maybe the cowboys go 3 and out after that. Maybe somebody fumbles. Mayhe Dak throws a pick. Maybe Dak completes 3 more passes that drive for another 40 yards and a TD.

Thats why presenting Any case in which you want to remove positive plays or negative plays when evaluating a player, is stupid.

People could just as easily turn around this season and remove some of Dak’s interceptions or fumbles or plays wher he missed a wide open receiver and then present the case without those plays. And if they did, that would make their argument stupid as well.

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

No it's not playing follow the leader and spewing unwarranted hatred on the QB that holds most of the Cowboys passing records.
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Records mean nothing to me. It's what you do in the playoffs. Everything else is just icing on the cake.

 

[Nav22]

... Remember Mariota and Monday nights game against the Texans.

Mariota went 22-23 with a perfect passer rating. And yet the Titans were not competitive. This tweet does a good job of explaining why his stats did not match the eye test.



This reminds me of Dak against the Commanders. He was awful essentially the entire game. And yet due to two passes his passer rating was stellar. Eye test > Stats in this case.

As a reminder Dak is 23rd in the NFL in QBR. Top 5? Brees, Mahomes, Rivers, Goff and Wilson in that order.

For added Dak context Joe Flacco and Ryan Fitzpatrick have been better. Fitzpatrick has been benched twice and there is talk Joe has been Wally Pipped. Meanwhile we wouldn't trade Dak for 2 first rounders and are backing up the Brinks truck. Future is bright!

Hahahahahahah

What an absolutely terrible post.

Just AWFUL.

Hey, next time we discuss Dak’s stats, should we also include the inconvenient little detail on whether or not the Cowboys won the game?

Or nah?

 

[LatinMind]

... Remember Mariota and Monday nights game against the Texans.

Mariota went 22-23 with a perfect passer rating. And yet the Titans were not competitive. This tweet does a good job of explaining why his stats did not match the eye test.



This reminds me of Dak against the Commanders. He was awful essentially the entire game. And yet due to two passes his passer rating was stellar. Eye test > Stats in this case.

As a reminder Dak is 23rd in the NFL in QBR. Top 5? Brees, Mahomes, Rivers, Goff and Wilson in that order.

For added Dak context Joe Flacco and Ryan Fitzpatrick have been better. Fitzpatrick has been benched twice and there is talk Joe has been Wally Pipped. Meanwhile we wouldn't trade Dak for 2 first rounders and are backing up the Brinks truck. Future is bright!

Dak Prescott almost 3 yrs
65.2% comp 9418yrds pass 58td 22int 918yrds rush 17tds 94.9RTG

Carson Wince
63.5% comp 9618yrds pass 65td 27int 549yrds rush 2tds 91.6RTG

Jared Goff
62.7% comp 8440yrds pass 59td 20int 155yrds rush 3tds 98RTG


There you go. i noticed none of you have even attempted to talk about this stat line.

 

[percyhoward]

The "eye test" is almost always somebody's way of saying, "This stat doesn't match what I saw, but I'm too lazy to figure out why."

Mariota's 3rd down numbers in that game were a lot like Weeden's when he was in Dallas -- skewed by a lot of completions short of the sticks on 3rd down. In small samples, you can be fooled by the passer rating if you don't look at conversion rate. Over a larger sample, a QB who doesn't convert many 3rd downs must be converting a lot on 1st and 2nd down (Romo in 2013, for example) if he has a high passer rating.

Dak's passer rating vs. the Commanders didn't show his two lost fumbles, or any of his sacks. Passer rating measures passing efficiency, so it ignores anything that wasn't a pass attempt. Even so, passer rating is still the individual stat with the highest correlation wins.

2018
passer rating (W-L)
100+ (106-41-1)
80-99.9 (44-47-1)
<80 (24-88-2)

 

[Brax]

Troy Aikman and several other Cowboys Greats said that was a very dumb thing to do, especially during the playoffs. Then Romo's response about how he wasn't worried about "perception" and how if he never played another football game again that he would have lived a great life, well, that said everything about Romo. What's your explanation for Romo, Witten, Austin and several others playing hide-n-go-seek among an "only men" Romo bachelor party alone in the mountains of West Virginia? That didn't tell you anything either?

Aikman said Dak's sucks also, so what, you need some Romo hatred management help, its really really sad. Guess your one of the few who would rather of stayed home instead of spending the week end with Jessica, (what does that say (Tell) about you by your own reasoning)

 

[Nav22]

Dak Prescott almost 3 yrs
65.2% comp 9418yrds pass 58td 22int 918yrds rush 17tds 94.9RTG

Carson Wince
63.5% comp 9618yrds pass 65td 27int 549yrds rush 2tds 91.6RTG

Jared Goff
62.7% comp 8440yrds pass 59td 20int 155yrds rush 3tds 98RTG


There you go. i noticed none of you have even attempted to talk about this stat line.

Dak is also 28-15 as a starter. Wentz is 22-16.

The clown who started this thread tried comparing him to Mariota, who is 23-28 as a starter.

 

[LatinMind]

Dak is also 28-15 as a starter.

The clown who started this thread tried comparing him to Mariota, who is 23-28 as a starter.

He's a ok poster. Just in this post he went in over his head lol. Dak has problems with his game, but with what the team is dealing with on ht e OL and the Wr group, and losing Witten. Its ridiculous to look at next gen stats. Lol in all honesty i have no idea why people would even post about next gen stats if its not for a fantasy football thread.