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[Hostile]

I understand exactly what you are saying. Poor coverage = no blitzing.

But 2005 doesn't fit that pattern for Roy.

Reasonable people see evidence that contradicts what they believe and reevaluate their conclusions.

That is almost what I am saying. Poor coverage CAN = less blitzing. There are a lot of things that factor into why teams don't blitz. That is just one.

I love the last line. So what you are saying is that what you see on a stats page contradicts all of the football training that I have had and I should re-evaluate everything that I have ever been taught so I can come to the conclusion that you want me to come to.

I think I will pass. I'd rather be right.

 

[AbeBeta]

That is almost what I am saying. Poor coverage CAN = less blitzing. There are a lot of things that factor into why teams don't blitz. That is just one.

I love the last line. So what you are saying is that what you see on a stats page contradicts all of the football training that I have had and I should re-evaluate everything that I have ever been taught so I can come to the conclusion that you want me to come to.

I think I will pass. I'd rather be right.

No, what I was saying was that you should reevaluate whether the poor coverage explanation was a good explanation of why Roy didn't blitz, not why a team doesn't blitz in general.

 

[Hostile]

No, what I was saying was that you should reevaluate whether the poor coverage explanation was a good explanation of why Roy didn't blitz, not why a team doesn't blitz in general.

I was explaining one aspect, not focusing on an entire philosophy. This is evidenced by my first response to you, my response to Donkey Punch adding the CB coverage, and my last response.

Parcells did not blitz much at all.

Some teams that have a great pass rush don't blitz. They believe the standard package can get there.

Some teams Zone Blitz only.

Some teams will never blitz a DB.

Some teams have DCs who blitz like their life depended on it. Jim Johnson and Gregg Williams for example.

Sacks have very little to do with blitz ability. All blitzes are designed to make a QB hurry his throw. A sack is the ultimate prize if he can't get the ball away.

 

[AbeBeta]

I was explaining one aspect, not focusing on an entire philosophy. This is evidenced by my first response to you, my response to Donkey Punch adding the CB coverage, and my last response.

Parcells did not blitz much at all.

Some teams that have a great pass rush don't blitz. They believe the standard package can get there.

Some teams Zone Blitz only.

Some teams will never blitz a DB.

Some teams have DCs who blitz like their life depended on it. Jim Johnson and Gregg Williams for example.

Sacks have very little to do with blitz ability. All blitzes are designed to make a QB hurry his throw. A sack is the ultimate prize if he can't get the ball away.

From what I've seen of Roy over the past two years, when he does come, he seems to get caught up in the blocking and rarely gets pressure. I could care less about the sacks, but he doesn't get any pressure when he does blitz.

 

[Thick 'N Hearty]

Sacks have very little to do with blitz ability. All blitzes are designed to make a QB hurry his throw. A sack is the ultimate prize if he can't get the ball away.

Here, here. It's also to, pretty basically, bust up the play, not just make the quarterback throw earlier than he wants. That's often forgotten, though. Nailing an RB in the backfield is just as good as a QB sack. Forcing the runner to the outside is what a blitz does, too. Focusing on the number of sacks a defensive player has doesn't tell the whole story as to how good/poor the team or a particular person is blitzing.

In regards to RW, IMO, they didn't blitz him as much because if it did turn out to be a pass play instead of a run, he didn't have the speed to get back into the play and cover.

One other thing we have to remember is he had some of his best years with Campo. This is Roy's year to prove all of us wrong and return to the player he was pre-BP.

 

[Hostile]

From what I've seen of Roy over the past two years, when he does come, he seems to get caught up in the blocking and rarely gets pressure. I could care less about the sacks, but he doesn't get any pressure when he does blitz.

I partially agree. No one gets pressure every time. Teams do practice blitz pickups and they are professionals. I do think Roy doesn't blitz as effectively as he did early in his career and I think 3 things contribute to that.

1. Teams began to look for it because he was so scary.

2. He is coming from too deep which makes it harder to disguise he is coming.

3. He's only blitzing on 3rd and long. We've been rather predictable.


I don't expect the same in 2008 when Wade phillips will be turning these guys loose.

 

[dbair1967]

Lets see we moved from Parcells to Phillips. What did Roy do? He moved from 0 sacks in 2006 to 0 sacks in 2007.

So either a) He's a great blitzer and our coaches are idiots or b) he's not very good at it so our coaches don't use him to do it.

Seeing that we had plays that we'd run for Nate Freaking Jones to blitz, it is clear that Wade did have specific blitz packages for DBs. He just didn't use Roy. Why? Roy isn't good at blitzing.

Why didnt he use Hamlin on safety blitzes? Does he also suck at it to?

David

 

[Hostile]

Here, here. It's also to, pretty basically, bust up the play, not just make the quarterback throw earlier than he wants. That's often forgotten, though. Nailing an RB in the backfield is just as good as a QB sack. Forcing the runner to the outside is what a blitz does, too. Focusing on the number of sacks a defensive player has doesn't tell the whole story as to how good/poor the team or a particular person is blitzing.

In regards to RW, IMO, they didn't blitz him as much because if it did turn out to be a pass play instead of a run, he didn't have the speed to get back into the play and cover.

One other thing we have to remember is he had some of his best years with Campo. This is Roy's year to prove all of us wrong and return to the player he was pre-BP.

Exactly right. The purpose of a blitz is not to get a sack or a tackle for loss. Those are gravy. The purpose of a blitz is to disrupt timing.

Teams that are already disrupting timing with their normal pass rush will blitz less than teams that struggle getting pressure. The reason is simple. A blitz leaves someone exposed. It is a calculated risk. It can burn you. Remember Parcells telling the team they will pray for the other team to blitz? That is the reason why.

We did not need to blitz a lot last year because we had a solid pass rush.

 

[Hostile]

Why didnt he use Hamlin on safety blitzes? Does he also suck at it to?

David

Damnit David, that was my next jumping on point.

 

[Everlastingxxx]

Out of sheer boredom, ill rewatch last years Cowboys games. I was watching the Detriot game and notice Roy blitzed only once and it was a quick screen pass. I think in Wades scheme he just doesnt blitz the safety very much.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

You just never can tell what is going to happen

Those are pretty strong words there, CC.

 

[AbeBeta]

Why didnt he use Hamlin on safety blitzes? Does he also suck at it to?

David

An obvious answer is that Hamlin is better in coverage. Similarly, you would expect that the guy who we keep talking about having closer to the LOS would be the guy in a better position to blitz.

Also, this does not explain Roy's lack of pressure in 2006. Of course, you are going to go on a Zimmer-based rant now that I bring 2006 up.

 

[AbeBeta]

I partially agree. No one gets pressure every time. Teams do practice blitz pickups and they are professionals. I do think Roy doesn't blitz as effectively as he did early in his career and I think 3 things contribute to that.

1. Teams began to look for it because he was so scary.

2. He is coming from too deep which makes it harder to disguise he is coming.

3. He's only blitzing on 3rd and long. We've been rather predictable.


I don't expect the same in 2008 when Wade phillips will be turning these guys loose.

I seriously hope you are right.

Although when I hear year after year that we are going to do something differently and that will make Roy (or Spears or whoever else) more effective. I start to think that is just wishful thinking.

 

[Hostile]

Out of sheer boredom, ill rewatch last years Cowboys games. I was watching the Detriot game and notice Roy blitzed only once and it was a quick screen pass. I think in Wades scheme he just doesnt blitz the safety very much.

You would be correct. Check out the numbers for the safeties with the Chargers.

 

[Chief]

I'm still kinda amazed he is Phil's son, because he shows no attributes that his dad showed on the field, both in college at Texas and in the pro's. Something just isnt right upstairs with him. He's always had throwing ability, but he lacks something else. I dont think the light bulb is ever going on for him either.

David

It's interesting you should mention that, David.

That doctor that does the "brain types" research and testing said Chris is very different from his dad and that Chris didn't possess the type of personality to succeed as an NFL quarterback. This was when Chris was a senior in college.

 

[dbair1967]

An obvious answer is that Hamlin is better in coverage. Similarly, you would expect that the guy who we keep talking about having closer to the LOS would be the guy in a better position to blitz.

Also, this does not explain Roy's lack of pressure in 2006. Of course, you are going to go on a Zimmer-based rant now that I bring 2006 up.

Ot it could be we just dont have many safety blitzes in the playbook.

And you cant just look at it as blitzes on pass plays, he blitzed some on run downs as well and made a number of plays the past few yrs when doing that.

As for Zimmer, there's nothing much else that needs to be said about him really. He sux beyond belief and is the most unimaginitive coordinator I have ever seen. Nobody blitzed well when he was the coach here, nor did the Falcons have any pass rush/blizting worth a dang last yr while he was there...the same thing will happen this yr when he coaches Cincy. He just stinks at it.

David

 

[Longboysfan]

Hey you gotta look at the silver lining the presence of Simms might remind Roy of what it's actually like to tackle a QB on a safety blitz.

That is what he is here for.

Hold ball too long in practice - Roy get's some easy hits.:laugh2:

 

[Stash]

All things considered, I would much rather the team sign Byron Leftwich over Simms.

 

[AbeBeta]

Ot it could be we just dont have many safety blitzes in the playbook.

Maybe that's just the chicken....

 

[Thick 'N Hearty]

In 2007, the Boys had 46 sacks. All but one was done by the front 7. In 2006, the team had 34 sacks. Zero went to the DBs. This goes to what Hos said, i.e., most teams, including this one, are content with applying pressure with their front 7. If a DB gets a sack, that's a bonus.