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[Vintage]

In 2005, Parcells was our coach.

In 2007, Phillips was our coach.

They both begin with "P," but they are different people. My guess is that they run different schemes.

My guess is comparing a player under one coach's scheme with what he did in another's is a bit of a reach, when you are trying to do the whole "Roy blitzed in 05 but not in 07???!1!1!1!! argument."

Just a thought.

 

[AbeBeta]

You would be correct. Check out the numbers for the safeties with the Chargers.

Terrence Kiel and Marlon McCree are/were nowhere near the players that Roy is/can be/should be. Wade is pretty well known for trying to use his assets as best he can -- he had schemes in SD where Merriman line up at DT so that he could get Foley and Phillips on the field too. It surprises me that he would ignore a potential weapon - that is, if he thinks Roy could be effective on the blitz.

 

[Hostile]

Terrence Kiel and Marlon McCree are/were nowhere near the players that Roy is/can be/should be. Wade is pretty well known for trying to use his assets as best he can -- he had schemes in SD where Merriman line up at DT so that he could get Foley and Phillips on the field too. It surprises me that he would ignore a potential weapon - that is, if he thinks Roy could be effective on the blitz.

Wade did not Corner blitz either and you can't tell me the Chargers didn't have good Corners.

When you have pass rushers like Merriman & Phillips or Ware and Ellis there is less need to risk a blitz.

Why is that so hard to grasp?

 

[Vintage]

Terrence Kiel and Marlon McCree are/were nowhere near the players that Roy is/can be/should be. Wade is pretty well known for trying to use his assets as best he can -- he had schemes in SD where Merriman line up at DT so that he could get Foley and Phillips on the field too. It surprises me that he would ignore a potential weapon - that is, if he thinks Roy could be effective on the blitz.

I'd probably ignore that weapon too....if I had to go long periods of Jacques Reeves and Nate Jones playing.... or worse yet, 1 on 1 in coverage bec. we blitzed Roy.

 

[Hostile]

I'd probably ignore that weapon too....if I had to go long periods of Jacques Reeves and Nate Jones playing.... or worse yet, 1 on 1 in coverage bec. we blitzed Roy.

Bingo.

If Vintage can get it...












j/k Vintage.

 

[AbeBeta]

Wade did not Corner blitz either and you can't tell me the Chargers didn't have good Corners.

When you have pass rushers like Merriman & Phillips or Ware and Ellis there is less need to risk a blitz.

Why is that so hard to grasp?

Wade is a guy who is know for using guys in ways that fit their abilities. Do you honestly think that he wouldn't use something that he saw as a useful weapon? I don't believe for one moment that he'd keep something in reserve.

 

[AbeBeta]

I'd probably ignore that weapon too....if I had to go long periods of Jacques Reeves and Nate Jones playing.... or worse yet, 1 on 1 in coverage bec. we blitzed Roy.

of course we had stretches where Henry and Newman were healthy and Reeves was actually playing well.

 

[Clove]

If we started talking about rose gardens, somehow it will end up with Roy in coverage. "We are in the Twilight zone"

 

[pugilist]

oh god, please no

 

[TellerMorrow34]

I wouldn't be opposed to this provided he realized when he signed he has no shot, ever, of starting here unless Tony goes down with injury. He'd be a quality backup to have on the roster but something tells me that if he's not happy with being a backup in Tampa Bay, where their QB is closing in on Father Times age, then he certainly wouldn't be happy being the backup to a QB in Dallas who could play another 8 or 9 years before calling it quits.

 

[Hostile]

Wade is a guy who is know for using guys in ways that fit their abilities. Do you honestly think that he wouldn't use something that he saw as a useful weapon? I don't believe for one moment that he'd keep something in reserve.

Check your history closer. He's known for teaching his front 7 to accomplish his pass rush. The last time I checked the books, a Safety is not part of the front 7.

 

[Hostile]

If we started talking about rose gardens, somehow it will end up with Roy in coverage. "We are in the Twilight zone"

Not Roy in coverage, on blitzes.

 

[WoodysGirl]

I wouldn't be opposed to this provided he realized when he signed he has no shot, ever, of starting here unless Tony goes down with injury. He'd be a quality backup to have on the roster but something tells me that if he's not happy with being a backup in Tampa Bay, where their QB is closing in on Father Times age, then he certainly wouldn't be happy being the backup to a QB in Dallas who could play another 8 or 9 years before calling it quits.

I think any quarterback signing here right now would understand that they're coming in as a backup. No real reason to reiterate it, simply because Romo's contract, in addition to his play, dictates that.

That said, Brad Johnson is probably here, for at least another year.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

I agree that he should know, immediately, but I've seen stranger things out of people when they sign somewhere.

But, like I said, he doesnt even want to be a backup in Tampa so I doubt he's signing with Dallas where he's assured nothing more than a backup role for his entire contract.

 

[AbeBeta]

Check your history closer. He's known for teaching his front 7 to accomplish his pass rush. The last time I checked the books, a Safety is not part of the front 7.

In the base yes, but in many pass situations with more DBs Roy could and sometimes did play closer to the line, putting him in a role similar to that of ... a front 7 player. I believe Wade also experimented with Roy at LB in passing downs as well, making him... a front 7 guy in those situations.

Of course, it is also important to note, a safety can be about a biscuit away from being part of the front seven as well.

 

[DallasFanSince86]

Well, Well, Well, a Roy Williams thread masked as a thread about the Cowboys interest in Chris Simms.

 

[Hostile]

In the base yes, but in many pass situations with more DBs Roy could and sometimes did play closer to the line, putting him in a role similar to that of ... a front 7 player. I believe Wade also experimented with Roy at LB in passing downs as well, making him... a front 7 guy in those situations.

Of course, it is also important to note, a safety can be about a biscuit away from being part of the front seven as well.

Did he blitz him from LB? No, he did not.

Like I said, I believe he will blitz him and Hamlin a little more this year because we are deeper at Corner. Last year having Reeves on an island while you blitzed would be an almost automatic 6.

 

[AbeBeta]

Did he blitz him from LB? No, he did not.

Like I said, I believe he will blitz him and Hamlin a little more this year because we are deeper at Corner. Last year having Reeves on an island while you blitzed would be an almost automatic 6.

Again, that may very well be the chicken...

 

[Hostile]

Again, that may very well be the chicken...

I've answered the questions. I still don't know what you don't get.

Maybe I shouldn't care.

 

[AbeBeta]

I've answered the questions. I still don't know what you don't get.

Maybe I shouldn't care.

What I get is that there are a ton of "reasons" flying around for why Roy doesn't blitz. Our coverage is bad, Wade doesn't blitz Dbs, et al.

However when I point to situations where he did fit the Wade blitz scheme (e.g., as a front 7 player), you note he wasn't asked to do so. It seems that if you had a guy who could make a substantial contribution as a pass rusher, you might just use him that way.

I'm not buying anymore situational excuses. Not blitzing may very well be a product of him not being so good at it. I hope like hell he does what you can't - prove me wrong.