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[CATCH17]

Oh man you guys are still arguing lol.

Its not really a big deal either way.

Roy can put pressure on QB's if thats what you want him to do.

When you give him opportunities to create havoc he can. He just hasnt done much in the last 2 seasons. Very disapointing imo.

If Roy gets back to being Roy then our defense will crush everyone in our path. Hes a Demarcus Ware type player in the secondary when hes on his game.

 

[Hostile]

What I get is that there are a ton of "reasons" flying around for why Roy doesn't blitz. Our coverage is bad, Wade doesn't blitz Dbs, et al.

However when I point to situations where he did fit the Wade blitz scheme (e.g., as a front 7 player), you note he wasn't asked to do so. It seems that if you had a guy who could make a substantial contribution as a pass rusher, you might just use him that way.

I'm not buying anymore situational excuses. Not blitzing may very well be a product of him not being so good at it. I hope like hell he does what you can't - prove me wrong.

Did Wade blitz much at all?

When you say no, please go back and look at my posts #43, #48, #54, #63, & #71, and let's see if you can figure out why Wade Phillips doesn't blitz much at all with his DBs, or at all really.

I don't think I have been at all cryptic.

 

[AbeBeta]

Did Wade blitz much at all?

When you say no, please go back and look at my posts #43, #48, #54, #63, & #71, and let's see if you can figure out why Wade Phillips doesn't blitz much at all with his DBs, or at all really.

I don't think I have been at all cryptic.

Again, didn't blitz his safety because he doesn't like to blitz? Or didn't do so because he doesn't think his safety is any good at it? When his safety lined up at LB, he didn't rush either.

Your explanation falls squarely into the "it isn't Roy it is x, y, or z" arguments that seem to prevail every off-season. Every off-season we hear about how Roy is going to be closer to the LOS so that he can be "disruptive" - seems that with that as an off-season goal, our new defensive genius should have been able to make it happen. Unless of course, he doesn't think Roy is going to be good in that role.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Again, didn't blitz his safety because he doesn't like to blitz? Or didn't do so because he doesn't think his safety is any good at it? When his safety lined up at LB, he didn't rush either.

Your explanation falls squarely into the "it isn't Roy it is x, y, or z" arguments that seem to prevail every off-season. Every off-season we hear about how Roy is going to be closer to the LOS so that he can be "disruptive" - seems that with that as an off-season goal, our new defensive genius should have been able to make it happen. Unless of course, he doesn't think Roy is going to be good in that role.

And it could be that others realise that disruptive can also mean in the running game and have nothing to do with blitzes or pass rush. Something you don't seem to comprehend.

Just because they said he'd be closer to the LOS and be more 'disruptive' does not imply, anywhere, that it means Wade Phillips intends to blitz him as a pass rusher.

In fact I don't recall many times in all Wade's years as a coach (Be it Diego, Denver, Buffalo) where he routinely brought DB's on the blitz.

Wade likes to get pressure with his front 7. It's his scheme. I doubt, very seriously, the fact that Roy doesn't blitz has much to do with rather or not Wade does or doesn't think he could do it and more to do with the fact that it's really just not part of his scheme all that much.

 

[Yeagermeister]

Did Wade blitz much at all?

When you say no, please go back and look at my posts #43, #48, #54, #63, & #71, and let's see if you can figure out why Wade Phillips doesn't blitz much at all with his DBs, or at all really.

I don't think I have been at all cryptic.

Again, didn't blitz his safety because he doesn't like to blitz? Or didn't do so because he doesn't think his safety is any good at it? When his safety lined up at LB, he didn't rush either.

Your explanation falls squarely into the "it isn't Roy it is x, y, or z" arguments that seem to prevail every off-season. Every off-season we hear about how Roy is going to be closer to the LOS so that he can be "disruptive" - seems that with that as an off-season goal, our new defensive genius should have been able to make it happen. Unless of course, he doesn't think Roy is going to be good in that role.

I think we just need to break out the ruler to decide this :laugh2:

 

[Hostile]

Again, didn't blitz his safety because he doesn't like to blitz? Or didn't do so because he doesn't think his safety is any good at it? When his safety lined up at LB, he didn't rush either.

Your explanation falls squarely into the "it isn't Roy it is x, y, or z" arguments that seem to prevail every off-season. Every off-season we hear about how Roy is going to be closer to the LOS so that he can be "disruptive" - seems that with that as an off-season goal, our new defensive genius should have been able to make it happen. Unless of course, he doesn't think Roy is going to be good in that role.

Judas Priest! I really had no idea I was talking over anyone's head.

Wade Phillips (7th Head Coach in Dallas Cowboys History) has shown over his 30+ years in the NFL (Oilers, Saints, Broncos, Bills, Falcons, Chargers, & Cowboys) that if he has an already solid pass rush (DEs or OLBs who can get to the QB to disrupt the passing game) that he does not blitz (send ILBs or DBs after the QB) very often at all.

It has nothing whatsoever to do with their abilites (Steve Atwater was a fantastic Safety) to blitz. It has to do with the fact that when a team is on a blitz it leaves someone uncovered (generally someone who would have been assigned to the player coming on the blitz) and if the QB reads the blitz and hits the open man it is for a big gain.

This is not unique to Wade Phillips. Head Coaches who have a solid pass rush as a whole tend to gamble less (that means blitz less) than teams that have mediocre pass rush abilities. As has been stated (numerous times) already, the purpose of a blitz is to disrupt timing. If the pass rush is already doing that then a blitz becomes an unecessary gamble.

Teams will still blitz to keep the other team off balance. If there is a coverage liabiltiy (weakness) the blitz is more likely to come from an ILB in a 3-4 scheme (the scheme we run) than it is from a DB (the guys who are assigned coverage responsibilities).

If you have a player being targeted (Jacques Reeves) often by the other team's QB a blitz becomes particularly risky if you use a DB because you either leave the other DBs short handed or you move a LB into coverage where he is at a disadvantage.

This is why football (the game we discuss on this forum) is often metaphorically (that means a comparison) described as a chess match.

 

[Hostile]

And it could be that others realise that disruptive can also mean in the running game and have nothing to do with blitzes or pass rush. Something you don't seem to comprehend.

Just because they said he'd be closer to the LOS and be more 'disruptive' does not imply, anywhere, that it means Wade Phillips intends to blitz him as a pass rusher.

In fact I don't recall many times in all Wade's years as a coach (Be it Diego, Denver, Buffalo) where he routinely brought DB's on the blitz.

Wade likes to get pressure with his front 7. It's his scheme. I doubt, very seriously, the fact that Roy doesn't blitz has much to do with rather or not Wade does or doesn't think he could do it and more to do with the fact that it's really just not part of his scheme all that much.

Thank you.

 

[AbeBeta]

And it could be that others realise that disruptive can also mean in the running game and have nothing to do with blitzes or pass rush. Something you don't seem to comprehend.

I comprehend that - I just didn't see a particularly disruptive force against the run either. Sure, he had a couple of nice hits. But no tackles for a loss and no forced fumbles. That don't scream "disruptive" to me.

 

[5Stars]

I comprehend that - I just didn't see a particularly disruptive force against the run either. Sure, he had a couple of nice hits. But no tackles for a loss and no forced fumbles. That don't scream "disruptive" to me.

What EXACTELY do you see, abersonc? Is Roy just a god awful football player? Does he even know the game as well AS YOU DO?

Good grief, dude! I'm an idiot when it come to football stradegy and even I can UNDERSTAND what others are saying!!

 

[Vintage]

Bingo.

If Vintage can get it...












j/k Vintage.

I am only 3 hours late to the party.

(Of which, I dedicated 2.5 hours to comprehending the joke)

 

[AbeBeta]

Judas Priest! I really had no idea I was talking over anyone's head.

Wade Phillips (7th Head Coach in Dallas Cowboys History) has shown over his 30+ years in the NFL (Oilers, Saints, Broncos, Bills, Falcons, Chargers, & Cowboys) that if he has an already solid pass rush (DEs or OLBs who can get to the QB to disrupt the passing game) that he does not blitz (send ILBs or DBs after the QB) very often at all.

It has nothing whatsoever to do with their abilites (Steve Atwater was a fantastic Safety) to blitz. It has to do with the fact that when a team is on a blitz it leaves someone uncovered (generally someone who would have been assigned to the player coming on the blitz) and if the QB reads the blitz and hits the open man it is for a big gain.

This is not unique to Wade Phillips. Head Coaches who have a solid pass rush as a whole tend to gamble less (that means blitz less) than teams that have mediocre pass rush abilities. As has been stated (numerous times) already, the purpose of a blitz is to disrupt timing. If the pass rush is already doing that then a blitz becomes an unecessary gamble.

Teams will still blitz to keep the other team off balance. If there is a coverage liabiltiy (weakness) the blitz is more likely to come from an ILB in a 3-4 scheme (the scheme we run) than it is from a DB (the guys who are assigned coverage responsibilities).

If you have a player being targeted (Jacques Reeves) often by the other team's QB a blitz becomes particularly risky if you use a DB because you either leave the other DBs short handed or you move a LB into coverage where he is at a disadvantage.

This is why football (the game we discuss on this forum) is often metaphorically (that means a comparison) described as a chess match.

You point to Wade's history.

But let's take another look at history. We have a player we've been told over and over can and should be disruptive at the LOS. Historically, every off-season Jerry has talked about how important it is to take advantage of Roy's skills in these areas.

Yet even when his coverage responsibility is somewhat reduced, he's still not getting sent on blitzes. Are you really comfortable not even wondering why we can't use him in this role, especially given the priority Jerry has put on this?

 

[Hostile]

You point to Wade's history.

But let's take another look at history. We have a player we've been told over and over can and should be disruptive at the LOS. Historically, every off-season Jerry has talked about how important it is to take advantage of Roy's skills in these areas.

Yet even when his coverage responsibility is somewhat reduced, he's still not getting sent on blitzes. Are you really comfortable not even wondering why we can't use him in this role, especially given the priority Jerry has put on this?

You can ride this merry-go-round for as long as you want. I tried to explain blitzing. You clearly don't care to get it. So why should I care to explain it.

I will not dumb it down any more than that last post.

 

[AbeBeta]

What EXACTELY do you see, abersonc? Is Roy just a god awful football player? Does he even know the game as well AS YOU DO?

Good grief, dude! I'm an idiot when it come to football stradegy and even I can UNDERSTAND what others are saying!!

I don't think Roy is awful. You won't find a thread where I said that.

I do think that criticism of his play is warranted. He's been disappointing recently and frankly, the scheme excuses get old yet some refuse to look any deeper than that.

 

[5Stars]

I don't think Roy is awful. You won't find a thread where I said that.

I do think that criticism of his play is warranted. He's been disappointing recently and frankly, the scheme excuses get old yet some refuse to look any deeper than that.

Well, if he's been good at it for other periods of time (which he has) then what other explanation other than the "scheme" could it be? Did he just forget how to play football? What....?

 

[AbeBeta]

Well, if he's been good at it for other periods of time (which he has) then what other explanation other than the "scheme" could it be? Did he just forget how to play football? What....?

You tell me. I'm not going to speculate as to motivational/commitment issues today.

 

[5Stars]

You tell me. I'm not going to speculate as to motivational/commitment issues today.

Apparently you are, abersonc, because you are dismissing the "scheme" part of blitzing. So...you just opened up your "thoughts" in this whole discussion with the bolded part above.

You think he's not committed or motivated...or...he forgot how to play football...or...the coaches are just freaking stupid. ???

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Wade sent 5 an awful lot last year.

 

[AbeBeta]

Apparently you are, abersonc, because you are dismissing the "scheme" part of blitzing. So...you just opened up your "thoughts" in this whole discussion with the bolded part above.

You think he's not committed or motivated...or...he forgot how to play football...or...the coaches are just freaking stupid. ???

You say "scheme" - yet during the last few off-seasons our owner -- who we all know is meddling and controlling -- has pushed hard for a scheme that uses Roy closer to the line so that he can disrupt in a variety of manner.

You can call it scheme but with everyone wanting Roy used in this manner, how likely is it that the coaches would not make an effort to accomplish this unless there was some other reason?

 

[Hostile]

Wade sent 5 an awful lot last year.

Most 3-4 schemes do since the front 3 and the 2 OLBs generally rush.

 

[5Stars]

You say "scheme" - yet during the last few off-seasons our owner -- who we all know is meddling and controlling -- has pushed hard for a scheme that uses Roy closer to the line so that he can disrupt in a variety of manner.

You can call it scheme but with everyone wanting Roy used in this manner, how likely is it that the coaches would not make an effort to accomplish this unless there was some other reason?

See the bold part above and this is an easy question to answer.

Because Jerry IS NOT THE COACH...he's the owner. And, if the "owner" does not get his way, why has he not just fired the coaches after the first year if he did not get what he wanted, yet retained Roy?

And, who is "everyone" that you are talking about besides the "owner"?