NFL Network Top Ten Meltdowns - Romo number 9

[MONT17]

the loss to the Giants 2 years ago then the Iggs loss last year have given Romo a bad rap... Romo fans wanna bring up Seattle but most ppl fans and media gave Romo a pass on that game.

BTW Switching games is just sad... why not switch years instead, lets put Romos 07 with Bill Parcells 06... Championship!

Lets put Clint Stoerner first half v. the Giants in for Aikmans first Half of the 94 NFCC game.

 

[SA_Gunslinger]

this seems very pre-mature to me.
elway, anyone? p. manning?

 

[DallasDomination]

I think romo has confidence issues when the pressure is on for HIm to succeed. He's more of a underdog guy and his confidence thrives in those situations. Romo worries Me, but atleast in the playoff games He's had He hasnt played half bad. He's had solid games and the team lost as a whole.

 

[DallasDomination]

this seems very pre-mature to me.
elway, anyone? p. manning?

You see alot of people get a bad rap and others dont. Romo has had some bad moments that make it easier for them to call him a choker. Not to mention our history for the past 10 or so years of not winning a playoff game.


Peyton manning I believe is a choker. Peyton Manning game droppes off real bad in the playoffs. Now He has confidence issues. That SB was everybody else but HIM.

I dont agree with elways though..He had good games and bad teams around Him.

 

[Sammy Baugh]

QBs are judged by 1 main element....wins and losses.......Romo is 27-12 in first 39 starts....come back and talk about Ryan after 39 games....you brag about all hes done his first year in the NFL and that is idiocy ( By your logic )...cause nothin matters but playoff wins right?....Ryan hasnt won any either and hasnt put up the stats Romo has NOT doing it.....

That is just not true. Such a perspective is mindless media spin being repeated. Marino, Elway, Archie Manning were all good QB's, to name just a few, who were excellent QB's that didn't always win much. Marino never won a championship, Elway had to wait 15 years, and Manning never sniffed the playoffs.

Conversely, people like Trent Dilfer won championships although they never were regarded as great quarterbacks. More names could be mentioned here, too.

The point is that football is a team sport requiring play from 22 guys, not just one. You can take the greatest of quarterbacks and surround him with lame talent and he will not win.

Therefore quarterbacks are judged just like all other players: how they play. A quarterback who plays great but loses is a great quarterback, and vice versa for poor playing quarterbacks who win.

 

[Sammy Baugh]

did you really just try and make your point by making an excuse for why Ryan lost ....? the same things you are telling us shouldnt be taken into account for Romo's career.......

Romo is clearly a better QB than Ryan....Ryan is a good above average starting NFL QB..... Romo is on a whole different level....Romo is top 5....Ryan is top 15....and he did go to playoffs his first half season as a starter and his second year as a starter.......before that he was on bench....same place Ryan would be if he had Bledsoe or Vick on his team

I don't know anyone outside of Cowboys-land who makes that claim.

 

[Rampage]

I don't know anyone outside of Cowboys-land who makes that claim.

I think he's a top 10 qb out of the current NFL qbs. do you disagree?

 

[Dodger]

The point is that football is a team sport requiring play from 22 guys, not just one. You can take the greatest of quarterbacks and surround him with lame talent and he will not win.

Therefore quarterbacks are judged just like all other players: how they play. A quarterback who plays great but loses is a great quarterback, and vice versa for poor playing quarterbacks who win.

Thank you.


Oh, and RedRaiderFalconsFan, this article is for you:

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=156708

 

[AsthmaField]

I don't know anyone outside of Cowboys-land who makes that claim.

After 2007 almost everyone was saying Romo was top 3 or 4. After 2008, That typically fell to Top 10.

Still being rated top 10 after missing 3 games and being hurt in several others as well as simply going through last season's mess, is indicative of just how good Romo is.

Will he be back in the top 5 after this season? There is a good chance, I'd say.

There are about 25 other franchises that wish they could say that.

Right now, Dallas has a good chance of having ten or more wins. It would surprise almost noone if they do win ten or more. Take Romo away and this team would be lucky to win 6 games.

He is the only reason Dallas has been a contender since he took over the team.

 

[Dodger12]

The complete list.

#10: Trey Junkin's bad snap
#9: Tony Romo, Mr. December
#8: Mike Vandershank misses game winning FGs
#7: 2006 Cardinals (They are who we thought they were)
#6: 2008 Broncos
#5: Marty Shottenheimer's Post Season Woes
#4: Brett Favre throws to the wrong person at the wrong times
#3: 1994 Jets loss to the Dolphins (Fake spike)
#2: AFC's Unlucky 13 Straight Super Bowl losses
#1: Jim Mora's "Playoffs?!"

("Next Year's Champions" made the Best of the Rest list, btw.)

That's amazing that this is the best list the NFL Network can come up with considering the whole history of the NFL.

-Payton Manning's epic struggles, including the 2005 season when they started 13 and 0 but lost to the Steelers in the first round of the playoffs.

-The 1996 Commanders started 7 and 1, finished 9 and 7 and missed the playoffs.

-The 1992 Houston Oilers' loss to the Bills in the playoffs after leading 35 to 3 in the 3rd quarter. The Bills came back to win with a back-up quarterback (Frank Reich). Talk about a melt down...this one should be #1.

-Speaking of the Bills, how about 4 straight Superbowl losses? Talk about a meltdown and choke artists.

I'm certainly no NFL historian, but if this is the best list the NFL Network can compile considering the entire history of the NFL, then they are a second rate network.

 

[Dodger]

That's amazing that this is the best list the NFL Network can come up with considering the whole history of the NFL.

-Payton Manning's epic struggles, including the 2005 season when they started 13 and 0 but lost to the Steelers in the first round of the playoffs.

-The 1996 Commanders started 7 and 1, finished 9 and 7 and missed the playoffs.

-The 1992 Houston Oilers' loss to the Bills in the playoffs after leading 35 to 3 in the 3rd quarter. The Bills came back to win with a back-up quarterback (Frank Reich). Talk about a melt down...this one should be #1.

-Speaking of the Bills, how about 4 straight Superbowl losses? Talk about a meltdown and choke artists.

I'm certainly no NFL historian, but if this is the best list the NFL Network can compile considering the entire history of the NFL, then they are a second rate network.

Couldn't have said it better, though I don't blame the network per se, just the producers of that lousy program. Instead of taking the time to do some research, they opted for laziness and sensationalism.

 

[Dodger12]

I don't know anyone outside of Cowboys-land who makes that claim.

Then you need to talk to the people that vote for the Pro Bowl. They'll enlighten you.

 

[Sammy Baugh]

Then you need to talk to the people that vote for the Pro Bowl. They'll enlighten you.

There are two problems with your statement:
1) the Pro Bowl is notorious for undeserving players, as fans can and do stuff ballot boxes
2) the question was not whether or not Romo has gone to the Pro Bowl. The question was whether he was a top five qb, and this is a different claim. For example, if the 5 best qb's all play in the AFC, then Romo could make the Pro Bowl and not make the top 5.

I stand by my statement that, outside of Cowboys homers, not many consider Romo to be a top 5 qb.

 

[Sammy Baugh]

I think he's a top 10 qb out of the current NFL qbs. do you disagree?

I would have less argument with a top-10 claim. Personally I do not like gunslinger QB's like Romo because, while they make spectacular positive plays, they also make spectacularly bad plays that kill you. Personally I prefer QB's who are more careful with the football. So I would not have Romo in my personal top-10, but other people will, and I have little argument with these people because it is a matter of subjective taste.

 

[Dodger12]

There are two problems with your statement:
1) the Pro Bowl is notorious for undeserving players, as fans can and do stuff ballot boxes
2) the question was not whether or not Romo has gone to the Pro Bowl. The question was whether he was a top five qb, and this is a different claim. For example, if the 5 best qb's all play in the AFC, then Romo could make the Pro Bowl and not make the top 5.

I stand by my statement that, outside of Cowboys homers, not many consider Romo to be a top 5 qb.

There's no problem with my statement. I'm not a Cowboys homer and have been very critical of this team and it's owner. But you can't write off the Pro Bowl and pass it off to people stuffing ballot boxes.

In 2007, there was Drew Brees, Mark Bulger and Romo for the NFC. The AFC had Peyton Manning, Carlson Palmer, Phillip Rivers, and Vince Young. Just who would you take above Romo out of that bunch? I might take take Manning but I'd have second thoughts because of his age. I think Brees and Romo are similar type QB's, so that would be a wash, IMO. Phillip Rivers? Maybe but that's debateable.

Name me 5 players out of the bunch that you think were better than Romo. At worst, Romo was the 3rd best QB in the NFL.

In 2008, it was Brady, Manning, Rothlisberger and Derek Andersen for the AFC. The NFC had Farve, Romo, Hasselbeck and Garcia. Even a non homer could argue, at worst, Romo's the 4th best QB out of that bunch behind Peyton Manning, Tom Brady and Ben Rothlisberger. Or do you think Derek Andersen, Hasselbeck, Farve and Garcia are better?

So yes, outside of Cowboy land and even with the most hard core anti-Cowboys fans, there are people that consider Romo a top 5 QB.

 

[AsthmaField]

Personally I prefer QB's who are more careful with the football.

Boy, do the Commanders have the right QB for you!

Of course, you are screwed if you like throws that go much beyond 3 yards.

So... I am to assume that in your opinion, Jason Campbell is a superior QB to Romo?

This could clear our disagreement on the QB issue, like right now.

 

[Dodger12]

There are two problems with your statement:
1) the Pro Bowl is notorious for undeserving players, as fans can and do stuff ballot boxes
2) the question was not whether or not Romo has gone to the Pro Bowl. The question was whether he was a top five qb, and this is a different claim. For example, if the 5 best qb's all play in the AFC, then Romo could make the Pro Bowl and not make the top 5.

I stand by my statement that, outside of Cowboys homers, not many consider Romo to be a top 5 qb.

Even looking at 2009, where Romo was injured and failed to make the Pro Bowl. In the AFC you had Peyton Manning, Bret Farve, Jay Cutler and Kerry Collins. In the NFC, you had Kurt Warner, Drew Brees and Eli Manning.

Name me 5 QB's on that list that you'd rather have over Romo.

 

[Idgit]

There are two problems with your statement:
1) the Pro Bowl is notorious for undeserving players, as fans can and do stuff ballot boxes
2) the question was not whether or not Romo has gone to the Pro Bowl. The question was whether he was a top five qb, and this is a different claim. For example, if the 5 best qb's all play in the AFC, then Romo could make the Pro Bowl and not make the top 5.

I stand by my statement that, outside of Cowboys homers, not many consider Romo to be a top 5 qb.

You can stand by it, but it's still a stupid statement. To your point 1, above, 'deserving' isn't relevant because you aren't arguing what Romo deserves, you're arguing what people consider him. And people outside Cowboyland consider him a top QB as evidenced by this probowl appearances. Those people include his peers and coaches.

2. Are you happier with the idea that he's top 2 in the conference? If you want to reduce your argument to the point that a player considered to be top two in his conference is not likely to be considered top 5 in the league, you're welcome to, but at that point you're splitting hairs that aren't very interesting.

 

[theogt]

You can stand by it, but it's still a stupid statement. To your point 1, above, 'deserving' isn't relevant because you aren't arguing what Romo deserves, you're arguing what people consider him. And people outside Cowboyland consider him a top QB as evidenced by this probowl appearances. Those people include his peers and coaches.

100% pure Grade-A unadulterated ownage.

 

[dfense]

I wonder if Matt Ryan is gonna be called a choker after next year if he doesn't win a playoff game.

I can come up with dozen's more deserving. How about Peyton Manning?

99 playoffs Lost, threw 0TD's and 45% completion rate
00 playoffs Lost, threw 1TD and 53% completion rate
02 playoffs Lost, 41-0 0TD's and 45% completion rate 2 picks
03 playoffs finally won a playoff game and advanced to face NE, got sacked 4 times, picked 4 times and had a 35.5 QB rating.

Lost the following year to NE again, 0TDs
Lost again in 05 to Pittsburg 1TD

I guess it's all mute when you finally win one. I just hope I don't have to wait 7 or 8 years like Manning did.