NFL Network Top Ten Meltdowns - Romo number 9

[SaltwaterServr]

Actually, Roethlisberger threw two interceptions in Super Bowl XL.

http://www.jt-sw.com/football/boxes/index.nsf/Games/2005-post-sb-sea-pit

It had little to do with toughness or manliness. Romo couldn't play because he couldn't grip the ball well enough to make accurate throws.

Although a torn ACL may sound worse than a discolated pinky, it isn't necessarily worse from a standpoint of functionality. Different football positions rely more heavily on different parts of the body.




Do you realize that Romo holds Cowboys franchise records for most TD passes and passing yards in a season? Did you know that Romo has more career TDs and a higher career passer rating than Rivers?

Do you watch the games...at all?

Point of advice: Criticism of a Cowboys player is valid and acceptable. However, disingenuous criticism of a Cowboys player will normally cause people to question your devotion to the team.

So very true. It will also be a source of embarrassment for others that the member in question ever attended their alma mater.

 

[ScipioCowboy]

So very true. It will also be a source of embarrassment for others that the member in question ever attended their alma mater.

I should've added that disingenuous criticism of a Cowboys players coupled with poor command of the facts will cause people to question both your team loyalty and your intelligence.

Don't worry about his Tech affiliation. We won't judge other Red Raider alumnus by the actions of one person.

 

[SaltwaterServr]

I should've added that disingenuous criticism of a Cowboys players coupled with poor command of the facts will cause people to question both your team loyalty and your intelligence.

Don't worry about his Tech affiliation. We won't judge other Red Raider alumni by the actions of one person.

There's a collective sigh of relief from those who still occasionally look for red dust under our window sills as a force of habit.

 

[Sammy Baugh]

I would have no problem if you yourself thought Romo wasn't a top 5 QB, that's your opinion. But you went further by stating that no one outside of Cowboy land thought Romo was a top 5 QB, as if only a homer can think he's that good, even though he's been selected to multiple Pro-Bowls by coaches, fans and his peers. Then you just wave away the Pro Bowl as a popularity contest littered with undeserving players voted in by fans who stuff ballot boxes. That's just absurd.

Good Lord. You want to take slightly better stats and argue that this somehow proves that Rodgers should be rated higher than Romo but negate Romo's past stats? That's pretty selective. Rodgers barely played better than Romo in a season where Romo broke a finger on his throwing hand. I'm not feeling too good if I can't be statistically better than a QB who misses a quarter of the season and is throwing with four fingers.

If your argument hinges on the fact that Rodgers had a better rating by a whole 2.4 points and threw one less interception, then you must love Chad Pendington; he was rated higher than both Romo and Rodgers and threw half the number of interceptions but I'm not knocking down Jerry's door to sign him.

"Dubious?" Look up the word. There's nothing doubtful or questionable about the argument that Romo's a Pro Bowl QB. You want to hang on the stats of a 6 and 10 QB that didn't make the pro bowl as evidence of some sort of superiority that qualifies a top 5 ranking yet call the fact that Romo made multiple pro-bowls as a result of his stats a "dubious" claim? That's pretty selective; you use only the stats that support your claim but disregard the rest as dubious.

Eli Manning (14), Donovan McNabb (15), Jay Cutler (16), Ben Roethlisberger (24) are all rated lower than Rodgers and I'd take any one of those QB's over Rodgers any day of week, as would probably most sane NFL fans.

Dude, the point about the Pro Bowl is simple.

Even if one leaves aside the popularity contest aspect of the Pro Bowl, it still does not prove that one is top five in the NFL. In the most charitable scenario, the Pro Bowl indicates that you are among the best IN YOUR CONFERENCE. Not the league, in the conference.

Please note that, again in the most charitable scenario, it is possible for one to start the Pro Bowl at QB and still be only the 17th best quarterback in the NFL. Why? Because the 16 better quarterbacks could be in the other conference.

Because of this, touting a Pro Bowl berth as proof of top-5-in-the-NFL status is illogical. It is a fallacy.

As for Romo, who did not make the Pro Bowl last year, the hurt finger is not an excuse for his play because he did not play while hurt.

As for my claim that those outside of Cowboys fans do not list Romo as a top 5 quarterback, find me a reputable, nonCowboys source which does list him as a top 5 qb. I've provided examples which DON'T, now the burden of proof is on you to show someone who DOES.

 

[DallasEast]

Dude, the point about the Pro Bowl is simple.

Even if one leaves aside the popularity contest aspect of the Pro Bowl, it still does not prove that one is top five in the NFL. In the most charitable scenario, the Pro Bowl indicates that you are among the best IN YOUR CONFERENCE. Not the league, in the conference.

Please note that, again in the most charitable scenario, it is possible for one to start the Pro Bowl at QB and still be only the 17th best quarterback in the NFL. Why? Because the 16 better quarterbacks could be in the other conference.

Because of this, touting a Pro Bowl berth as proof of top-5-in-the-NFL status is illogical. It is a fallacy.

As for Romo, who did not make the Pro Bowl last year, the hurt finger is not an excuse for his play because he did not play while hurt.

As for my claim that those outside of Cowboys fans do not list Romo as a top 5 quarterback, find me a reputable, nonCowboys source which does list him as a top 5 qb. I've provided examples which DON'T, now the burden of proof is on you to show someone who DOES.

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[Chocolate Lab]

Butthurt TO fans are funny.

Skins trolls are just boring.

 

[PBJTime]

Please note that, again in the most charitable scenario, it is possible for one to start the Pro Bowl at QB and still be only the 17th best quarterback in the NFL. Why? Because the 16 better quarterbacks could be in the other conference.

Because this is typically how it works, right?

A meteor could come crashing into my house...

That is the most asinine thing I believe I've ever read.

Come up with something better than the technicalities of what could happen, while ignoring the fact that this has never happened in the history of the NFL.

I'm pretty sure that most sane people realize that you could easily make the argument that a Pro Bowl QB is top five in the league, if history is any good indicator.

 

[cowboyrock]

It isn't verbal diarrhea if its true. And Ryan has already been more successful in his young NFL career then romo has so far. Playoffs his first year in the NFL as well as his first year starting and rookie of the year. Can romo say that?

Didn't think so. And yes, Matt Ryan is a much more talented, dedicated, cool under pressure, and any other positive description of a qb then romo is. Ryan didn't turn the ball over or choke at a critical time in the game against Arizona. Perhaps if he was able to get the ball back, the Falcons win. But why didn't Ryan get another chance? Because on 3rd and 16, Warner playfakes and a certain Falcon linebacker bites on the fake and gets burned in coverage by the tight end. Who is this linebacker, the same one that was brought in to replace Zach Thomas, another brilliant move. An aging linebacker who struggles in coverage, I can only hope he isn't on the field on 3rd downs at all this season.

Bein up in Virginia, shouldn't you be going for the Commanders instead?

Your post is right on the money.Romo is just not what these excuse makers on this board think he is.

 

[RedRaiderCowboysFan]

I should've added that disingenuous criticism of a Cowboys players coupled with poor command of the facts will cause people to question both your team loyalty and your intelligence.

Don't worry about his Tech affiliation. We won't judge other Red Raider alumnus by the actions of one person.

Actually it is my Tech affiliation that has helped me learn that just because so many other people can share the same opinion that it does't make it a fact. So coming from somebody who thinks romo is a better qb then say Ben or Rivers based on similiar stats and their success in December and the post season, whatever you say just makes me laugh. And the facts are in perfect command, you just choose to ignore them. The double standard is if you bashed say TO, it was ok since most everyone else did, but oh if you bash romo then you must not be a fan. Being an actual fan of the team and not just 1 player like so many seem to be, is why i want a qb that takes his team and wins when it counts in December, January, and now February.

 

[ScipioCowboy]

Actually it is my Tech affiliation that has helped me learn that just because so many other people can share the same opinion that it does't make it a fact. So coming from somebody who thinks romo is a better qb then say Ben or Rivers based on similiar stats and their success in December and the post season, whatever you say just makes me laugh.

Then we have something in common; your posts are pure comedy.

And the facts are in perfect command, you just choose to ignore them.[

No. They aren't.

You made the following inaccurate assertions:
1) Roethlisberger didn't turnover the ball in Super Bowl XL -- untrue.
2) Romo didn't play because he couldn't handle the pain of his dislocated pinky -- untrue.
3) Other quarterbacks have broken franchise records while Romo hasn't -- untrue.

Your next fact will be your first fact.

The double standard is if you bashed say TO, it was ok since most everyone else did, but oh if you bash romo then you must not be a fan. Being an actual fan of the team and not just 1 player like so many seem to be, is why i want a qb that takes his team and wins when it counts in December, January, and now February.

There's no double standard. My criticism of TO has nothing to do with the instances in which he plays poorly. I "bash" TO because he's a divisive snit. Romo, on the other hand, isn't.

Posters don't question your fandom because you criticize Tony. They question your true loyalties because your criticisms of Tony are both transparent and disingenuous. Huge difference.

 

[RedRaiderCowboysFan]

Actually, Roethlisberger threw two interceptions in Super Bowl XL.

http://www.jt-sw.com/football/boxes/index.nsf/Games/2005-post-sb-sea-pit

It had little to do with toughness or manliness. Romo couldn't play because he couldn't grip the ball well enough to make accurate throws.

Although a torn ACL may sound worse than a discolated pinky, it isn't necessarily worse from a standpoint of functionality. Different football positions rely more heavily on different parts of the body.




Do you realize that Romo holds Cowboys franchise records for most TD passes and passing yards in a season? Did you know that Romo has more career TDs and a higher career passer rating than Rivers?

Do you watch the games...at all?

Point of advice: Criticism of a Cowboys player is valid and acceptable. However, disingenuous criticism of a Cowboys player will normally cause people to question your devotion to the team.

Anybody that has played qb in high school, college, or wherever knows the pinkie is the least important finger on throwing a football. A thmub injury would be understandable, but even Farve played with a broken thumb on his passing hand and thought romo could play with a hurt pinkie. One could argue he can't make accurate throws consistiently unless his receiver is wide open. And from a standpoint of functionality, your right, a qb rarely uses his legs right? They just float back from center and don't use their legs at all. Forget that they use their legs to drop back, plant their feet, and that most of a qb's throwing power comes from the legs. So yes, a torn ACL in an extremely important part of a qb's throwing motion is going to be more important then a pinkie. And I have never had a torn ACL, but I am sure the pain is much more intense then a broke pinkie finger.

And yes I realize that romo has the team record for passing yards and td's in a season. So do Rivers and Ben, and romo has never led the league in overall rating for a year or led the league in passing tds like Rivers did last year.

And since you mentioned CAREER stats leaving out the lame argument about how these guys did just after 39 games, but instead entire career, romo has 81 td's and 10, 562 yards. Rivers has only 78'tds and 10,697 yards. Eli has 98 tds and 14,623 yards and 1 ring. Big Ben has 101 tds and 14,974 yards and 2 rings. So tell me now again how romo is a better qb or has had a better career? So do you even watch the games, or do you just get what is put on local tv each week?

 

[RedRaiderCowboysFan]

Then we have something in common; your posts are pure comedy.

No. They aren't.

You made the following inaccurate assertions:
1) Roethlisberger didn't turnover the ball in Super Bowl XL -- untrue.
2) Romo didn't play because he couldn't handle the pain of his dislocated pinky -- untrue.
3) Other quarterbacks have broken franchise records while Romo hasn't -- untrue.

Your next fact will be your first fact.

There's no double standard. My criticism of TO has nothing to do with the instances in which he plays poorly. I "bash" TO because he's a divisive snit. Romo, on the other hand, isn't.

Posters don't question your fandom because you criticize Tony. They question your true loyalties because your criticisms of Tony are both transparent and disingenuous. Huge difference.

My assertions weren't innaccurate, perhaps you just can't read.
1) I never said Ben didn't turn the ball over, nor did I mention his td in the game. I just said he didn't have a pretty game but never that he didnt turned the ball over
2)Is a matter of opinion, so really nothing that can be argued either way
3)I said I know romo has broken team records for passing, so have Rivers and Big Ben.

And you bash players because of what kind of people they are instead of what kind of players. Well all we can really see is what kind of players they are since we aren't in position to know them as people. And since we get our news from the media that so many on here bash, perhaps their info is innacurrate. Do the people at work judge your performance based on the kind of person you are instead of how good you are at your job? The #'s don't lie in TO's favor. So did you dislike somebody like Michael Irvin, who was a great team player but has serious off the field issues to? Irvin has similiar narcissistic traits but perhaps it wasn't as apparrent with a strong presence at qb with Troy. And you can't really say much to romo's personality, perhaps now that TO is gone, romo's true self will begin to show and who knows, might have some similiarities to TO. We will just have to see but don't come back and say you know what will happen.

 

[ScipioCowboy]

Anybody that has played qb in high school, college, or wherever knows the pinkie is the least important finger on throwing a football. A thmub injury would be understandable, but even Farve played with a broken thumb on his passing hand and thought romo could play with a hurt pinkie.

Actually, a healthy pinkie finger is necessary to make accurate throws. The importance of the pinkie in guiding the football is the reason Romo threw three consecutive incompletions in OT against Arizona.

Given that Brett Favre isn't a doctor, Tony was wise to avoid taking medical advice from him.

One could argue he can't make accurate throws consistiently unless his receiver is wide open.

If one made such an argument, one would be wrong. Romo has a higher career completion percentage (63.6) than Roethlisberger (62.4), Eli Manning (55.9), or even Rivers (62.3) -- despite TO's penchant for being among league leader in dropped passes.

Your next accurate assertion will be your first accurate assertion.

And from a standpoint of functionality, your right, a qb rarely uses his legs right? They just float back from center and don't use their legs at all. Forget that they use their legs to drop back, plant their feet, and that most of a qb's throwing power comes from the legs. So yes, a torn ACL in an extremely important part of a qb's throwing motion is going to be more important then a pinkie. And I have never had a torn ACL, but I am sure the pain is much more intense then a broke pinkie finger.

Where, pray tell, did I assert that a QB "rarely uses his legs"?

I stated that a healthy pinkie is more important to a QB's game than an ACL, especially for QBs who are mostly pocket passers.

And yes I realize that romo has the team record for passing yards and td's in a season. So do Rivers and Ben, and romo has never led the league in overall rating for a year or led the league in passing tds like Rivers did last year.

Romo has a higher career quarterback rating (94.7) than Roethlisberger (89.4), Manning (76.1), and Rivers (92.9).

Romo has more TD passes in the 2007 season (36) than Rivers's highest total for any one season (34).

And since you mentioned CAREER stats leaving out the lame argument about how these guys did just after 39 games, but instead entire career, romo has 81 td's and 10, 562 yards. Rivers has only 78'tds and 10,697 yards. Eli has 98 tds and 14,623 yards and 1 ring. Big Ben has 101 tds and 14,974 yards and 2 rings. So tell me now again how romo is a better qb or has had a better career? So do you even watch the games, or do you just get what is put on local tv each week?

If you really want to compare their career stats and you dislike comparing the four quarterbacks over their first 39 games, we can can compare them over the past three seasons. Romo didn't throw a single pass in his first two season, and wasn't named starter until his third. Since Romo was named starter...

Romo has averaged 234.7 yards and 1.8 TDs per game.

Rivers has averaged 219.8 yards and 1.6 TDs per game.

Manning has averaged 204.5 yards and 1.4 TDs per game.

Roethlisberger has averaged 216.7 yards and 1.5 TDs per game.

No matter how we rearrange and recrunch the numbers, Romo will still sit atop them.

 

[ScipioCowboy]

My assertions weren't innaccurate, perhaps you just can't read.
1) I never said Ben didn't turn the ball over, nor did I mention his td in the game. I just said he didn't have a pretty game but never that he didnt turned the ball over

Really?

And Big Ben, considering he was ROY and won 15 straight games and went to the AFC championship as a rookie, then came back the next season to win a Super Bowl. Sure he might not have had the prettiest game but he did enough to win and didn't turn the ball over to become the youngest qb to ever win a SuperBowl.

And I can't read?

 

[Robbieac]

Really?



And I can't read?

:abuseme: :laugh2:

 

[CowboyMike]

Really?



And I can't read?

:laugh2: :clap2:

 

[Dodger12]

Dude, the point about the Pro Bowl is simple.

Even if one leaves aside the popularity contest aspect of the Pro Bowl, it still does not prove that one is top five in the NFL. In the most charitable scenario, the Pro Bowl indicates that you are among the best IN YOUR CONFERENCE. Not the league, in the conference.

Please note that, again in the most charitable scenario, it is possible for one to start the Pro Bowl at QB and still be only the 17th best quarterback in the NFL. Why? Because the 16 better quarterbacks could be in the other conference.
Because of this, touting a Pro Bowl berth as proof of top-5-in-the-NFL status is illogical. It is a fallacy.

As for Romo, who did not make the Pro Bowl last year, the hurt finger is not an excuse for his play because he did not play while hurt.

As for my claim that those outside of Cowboys fans do not list Romo as a top 5 quarterback, find me a reputable, nonCowboys source which does list him as a top 5 qb. I've provided examples which DON'T, now the burden of proof is on you to show someone who DOES.

The fact remains that one can make a Pro Bowl and still, theoretically, not be even in the top-15 of one's position across the NFL.

I don't know how dense someone can be and I don't even know why I continue but I'll answer even though my better judgement tells me not to.

In order for your absolutely assinine argument to be true, then the AFC representatives should/must be better than Romo for the years he went to the Pro Bow. I've listed the AFC representatives in a previous post and, off the top of my head, they included Jeff Garcia, Vince Young, Derek Andersen, Jay Cutler, Carlson Palmer and Kerry Collins. That's why I asked "who would you take over Romo?" By your theory, since Romo could go to the Pro Bowl and still only be the 17th best player in the NFL at his position, then the QB's I mentioned must be better. That's just assinine. Talk about fallacy and illogical.

 

[RedRaiderCowboysFan]

Really?



And I can't read?

Well I must have overlooked and not proof read all my work, I meant to put he did not not turn the ball over, I should have just put he did, my bad but yes I knew he turned the ball over.

and romo's stats might be better per game, but you said career. But overall, romo's stats are still behind the big 3, and I don't believe Rivers has even started 39 games yet. But based on their careers up to this point, Each have more yards and tds, and Rivers is only 3tds behind romo, and each have wins in the playoffs and 2 in the Super Bowl. And yes neither of the big 3 might have 36 tds in a year, but Rivers did lead the league in tds last year yes? Has romo? No. Having a high qb rating doesn't equal success, clearly because romo might have a higher rating but still has less overall career stats and playoff success. What would you rather have, a qb that succeeds in the playoffs or has a high qb rating but loses in them?

 

[DallasEast]

It's a long one folks. Read it if you like. RedRaiderCowboysFan most likely won't.

I won't argue that romo stats are better then everyone down from #22, even though Schaub has the chance to put up some really good #'s and has since he joined the Texans.

That’s sensible.

Sorry this is so long but wanted to make sure all of your points were addressed. Would rather it be too long then short.

Uh huh.

Starting with Manning, just because he is a Giant doesn't mean he is less of a qb then romo simply because he is a Cowboy.

Why must Eli Manning be “less of a quarterback” than Romo? I never asked you that. This was my request:

Please explain how all three quarterbacks are more accurate throwing the football or how their turnovers PALED in comparison to Romo's or how 'astronomical' their quarterback ratings are to his.

What was I reaching for? Answer. What were your measurables for each player which you incessantly keep inferring as the ‘huge gap’ in talent between both Romo and fill in the blank player. Instead, we get this:

If romo had been in Manning's place and it was the Cowboys, you would be saying how great romo played and he was the main reason the team won.

Nonsense. Moving along.

So you and many others are trying to justify Manning's performance that it wasn't really him but his entire team while trying to put romo's shortcomings on everyone else.

While that may apply to a few posters on this board, it is entirely false as to the majority. This is a fantasy which you have concocted to justify your views on Romo. Nothing more. Nothing less.

I know its hard for you to imangine that the very best of the NFL doesn't always play in Dallas.

More nonsense. It’s like you have never read any of my posts. Fancy that.

Of course Eli didn't win the SuperBowl by himself, but he certainly was a huge part of why they did. But throwing for 6td's and 1 int while winning 3 straight playoff games on the road, not to mention the NFC championship in the coldest game at Lambeau field, and preventing the Patriots from going 19-0 is pretty impressive, for him and the team.

Manning was very good when the Giants needed him the most, yet he was not spectacular. He was not a huge part in the Giants’ winning streak. He did his share. There’s a difference.

In the Giants’ win over the Buccaneers during the wild card game, Michael Strahan was constantly in Jeff Garcia’s face. He alone sacked Garcia and forced a fumble. Fumble = turnover. The Giants defense did their part in causing the Buccaneers to generate THREE turnovers, while Manning (and his HUGE 185 passing yards)and his offense did theirs by gifting Tampa Bay nada.

Manning’s contributions in [strike]our[/strike] the Cowboys’ divisional loss was as significant as no turnovers (that pesky word again) and 163 passing yards can be. You may have forgotten how often his defense (Strahan in particular) was applying pressure on Romo during the second half. Others haven’t. Here are a few more facts which impacted the game, which [strike]you[/strike] some have forgotten as well:

a) The phantom offsides call on DeMarcus Ware which erased a 4th down and punt situation at midfield for the Giants on their first drive and extended their first drive which ended in a score.
b) Jacques Reeves inability to play cornerback during the final 40-odd seconds of the first half, which aided the Giants’ drive from their 29-yard line to the endzone. Let’s jump to the second half.
c) Flozell Adams false start on a 3rd-and-7 situation AT the Giants’ eleven yard line on an EIGHT MINUTE DRIVE which (guess who?) Romo helped direct.
d) The bogus unnecessary roughness penalty on Leonard Davis on a 2nd-and-7 situation deep in Cowboys’ territory.

We, you and me, would give Manning the nod for helping the Giants control the clock for 40+ minutes at Green Bay. However, only I can give credit to the Giants defense for helping in that aspect by limiting the Packers AT HOME to 263 total offensive yards. Let’s not nitpick that 90 of those yards was on a Donald Driver touchdown pass. Let’s further not give the Giants’ defense credit for snuffing Ryan Grant for 29 total rushing yards. Let’s hang that “huge part” on Manning instead.

”Justin Tuck’s two sacks and causing Tom Brady to fumble (No. That can’t be right. Only Romo fumbles in crucial games)?” That was all Manning. ”The defense preventing Randy Moss from touching the ball for almost the entire first half of the SUPER BOWL??” All hail Eli Manning directing a nearly 10-minute first quarter drive as the ONLY reason. ”The defense sacking a surefire Hall of Famer five times???” Well, you see. It’s like this. On each change of possession, Eli Manning would switch jerseys with Michael Strahan. Every one in the world with high def televisions that day were fooled by that trademark gap in Manning’s fake false teeth. AH-mazing!

Your passionate dislike of Romo can cause someone like yourself to not see facts (not opinions) such as those.

He did improve his play over his prior seasons and that did play a part in the Giants’ streak and victory over New England. Yet, you are wise to quantify your comment by including ”Of course Eli didn't win the SuperBowl by himself” and ” him and the team”—something which short circuits within your thought processes each and every time you read the name Tony Romo.

But again if that was romo, you would be putting all or 99.9 % the praise upon him.

More non-football related nonsense. Eyes forward DallasEast…

And Big Ben, considering he was ROY and won 15 straight games and went to the AFC championship as a rookie, then came back the next season to win a Super Bowl.

Having the number one defense in the league during your rookie season? Oh no! Having a defense which was number one against the rush, number four against the pass? NFL Offensive Rookies of the Year aren’t bolstered by such things! It’s directing the 16th ranked offense, the 28th ranked passing offense and the (oops) 2ND RANKED rushing offense! Shazam!

‘nuff said. Let’s skip to his second year…

The 30 fumbles created by the Steelers’ defense during the regular season doesn’t help a second-year starting quarterback (Hey? What IS the definition of a starting quarterback anyway? J ). Nope.

47 sacks?

Nope.

Limiting opponents to 284 total yards per game?

Nope.

Allowing their opponents a paltry 27 touchdowns all season?

Nope.

Having zero (this one is for the Terrell Owens fans as well) wide receivers go over 1000 yards?

Nope.

Restricting opponents’ third down conversions to only 92 out of 232?

Nope.

Stymie opponents for only 376 rushing yards in the postseason?

Nope.

Surrendering a tiny 15 points per game average IN FOUR PLAYOFF GAMES?

Nope.

All this can be attributed to Roethlisberger and him alone… right? Sure, in your book, that’s right.

Sure he might not have had the prettiest game but he did enough to win and didn't turn the ball over to become the youngest qb to ever win a SuperBowl.

Of course, he didn’t turn over the ball to get the team to the Super Bowl. No. He didn’t have five interceptions during two losses that season (oops. did I type that?). Certainly, he had zero turnovers when his team went 2-2 during the four games he was sidelined that season (what does ‘sidelined’ mean anyway and how did his team win two crucial games without him?). ”What can be said of zero touchdown pases and two interceptions during the Super Bowl”? Oh yeah. He ‘didn't turn the ball over to become the youngest qb to ever win a SuperBowl.’ Insightful.

Then in 2007, he was 3rd in tds behind Brady and yes romo with 32 setting a new franchise record also but only had 11 ints and ranked 2nd in rating only behind Brady.

Oh look who’s now using stats to downplay Romo for another quarterback. Awesome.

And having the sieve for an offensive line he has had, its a wonder how he keeps playing, shows how tough he is. Do you really think romo could take that kind of beating behind that line.

This should prove interesting.

Please indicate which game(s) and which play(s) Roethlisberger sustained a hit which Romo wouldn’t have recovered from. I’ll try to find film on those and post them on the site for everyone to review for themselves. However, for now, if you believe that the punishment Roethlisberger sustained during the Super Bowl would have been enough to sideline Romo for the SUPER BOWL, just say so. Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeease.

And if you want to call the game winning drive against Arizona in the Super Bowl as helping his team, look again. That was a qb putting the team on his back and carrying them down the field to win the game. You may think romo can put a drive like that together in a game, but so far he hasn't done it on the biggest stage in the NFL, just like Manning also did the year before.

Well, you certainly win that argument. Kinda hard to debate whether Romo would have helped engineer a game-winning drive in the Super Bowl when he hasn’t played in one. Heck, it’s kind of hard to make that same argument for say, Phillip Rivers also, who is another quarterback which entered the league in 2004 who you’ve inferred is way better than Romo, but don’t let that stop you. That’s a relevant debate point. Yep.

The hell it is.

Has romo also had a game with a perfect rating like Ben did in 2007 against the Rams?

Thanks CowboyMike. J

Yes they have an awesome defense, but Ben has shown that he can put up big time stats and make plays in the clutch like in the Super Bowl.

Unlike you, I’m not going to attempt to falsely degrade Roethlisberger as you would with Romo. He has helped his team win two Super Bowls, but…

”big time Super Bowl stats” J

9-for-21. 123 yards with two interceptions versus the Seahawks! Admittedly, completing 21 of 30 passes is impressive in the Super Bowl, but really! Is 256 passing yards “big time stats”! Come on man! How many Super Bowls have you watched in person, live on television or replayed (e.g. NFL Network Super Bowl replays)?

Big time Super Bowl stats. That’s so funny that I’m not going to even include a smiley.

Until romo does that you can't even mention them in the same breath.

You won’t. Until proven otherwise, other’s will. Sorry. That’s life.

Also playing in the cold weather affects the passing game and Ben's stats, unlike playing in the climate controlled Texas Stadium or the new stadium.

That’s so weak it’s not even worth the effort.

Now Phillip Rivers, this past season led the NFL in td passes with 34 breaking another club record, qb rating at 105.5. In 2006 also led the NFL in 4th quarter qb rating. romo has never lead the league in td passes or has never finished the season as the highest rated passer.

There are those pesky stats again which you hate for others to use in their comments. Here’s a reminder. I didn’t ask for you to provide any. I only wanted your comparisons between Romo and your favorites. By the way, you’ve bragged on your favorites and talked about their ‘invulnerabilities’ thus far (weakly), but that’s it. Just an FYI.

I know romo has a high 4th quarter rating though. Rivers has also played in an AFC championship, with a torn ACL. Do you think romo would have played with that kind of injury?

Don’t know. Let’s test that theory.

Grab a iron pipe, track down Romo and wack him over the knee like a Tonya Harding flunky. It won’t be the exact same type of injury, but it’ll possibly be comparable. If and until then, I will say yes until proven otherwise.

If he can't play with a hurt pinkie finger, then I really don't think romo would be man enough to play with that kind of injury.

Forum question. Has anyone ever seen a four fingered quarterback?

While the search is on, I’ll comment on the non-displaced spiral fracture of the 5th metacarpal of Romo’s throwing hand—which is continually and falsely promoted as a ‘broken pinky finger’ by Romo detractors.

Another forum question. Has anyone ever seen a quarterback throw a football with his knee?

Sorry for the interruption. Could Romo have played with his injury? Of course. Would it have made throwing extremely difficult during the first few weeks of recovery? A four fingered quarterback expert such as yourself may state no, but the truth is yes. Did his injury effect his ability to throw the ball later in the season? Not as much, but to a degree, yes.

You don’t believe that Romo could have played because he sustained a different injury as Rivers. The injuries are not comparable.

A quarterback with a knee injury can stand behind center, limp back into his drop back, plant with his GOOD leg
and deliver the ball well-enough to complete nineteen passes of 37 attempts. Was that a Herculean effort on Rivers part? No doubt it was. However, I would like to know just how well you believe his passing efficiency would have been should he have sustained Romo’s injury?

Could he have played? Of course he could have. Romo could have played also, but what good is it to a quarterback if you can’t throw the ball effectively with such an injury? Or perhaps, you believe Rivers could have thrown the ball well-enough in spite of the injury? Inquiring minds would like to know.

You have to respect a player whio plays with a torn ACL. Shows he has heart, also have never heard of any of these guys collapsing in the shower after a loss.

As my friend Bleu Star would say, that’s Haterade, pure and simple.

So the favorite argument is that romo only has 39 career starts and is 27-12. Ya, most qb's, esp those drafted so high dont have the luxury of sitting on the bench for 3 plus years and stepping into a team that is loaded with the talent that the team had when romo started playing.

If you were wise, that would have dawned upon you as an epiphany. It didn’t. Guess you’re not. Keeping ranting it though for any and all to read. Please.

The high picks are drafted onto bad teams and won't put up big stats and many wins while they adjust to the NFL with out good or great players aorund them. So to say romo is better then qbs after 39 starts based just on stats and win/losses in the regular season is skewed since romo wasnt a rookie starting on a bad team.

It has never really been a case of who’s better. That’s your contention. My stance is that Romo is a very good quarterback who is comparable to your examples.

FYI my friend.

Tony Romo doesn’t have to be Hall of Famer to win in this league.

Moving along.

If you want to make an accurate comparison to romo after 39 starts, find qbs who sat on the bench for 3 or more seaons for their team and then started to play and see how they compare for 39 games.

Let me get this straight.

Your argument is that it’s irrelevant to compare what all quarterbacks do on the field. What is relevant in your mind is what they ‘do’ on the bench and on the field?

Man. That’s weak.

Or even find qbs who werent on the same team for 3 years before they started to play after having more then 3 years experience.

My goodness! That comparison doesn’t even remotely apply to Romo! Damn! Wut?

Its common football knowledge that it is better for a rookie to sit and learn instead of just being thrust into the starting lineup.

Finally! Some sense.

But because of the expecations placed on them and the money they are making, most qb's get thrown into the fire.

More sense. Continue.

romo got the benefit of having to sit, and now we see how he plays with all those expectations.

You mean, like a top quarterback? Yeah. We'll see. Go on…

Manning so far has lived up the #1 overall pick status, so has Big Ben playing for a team that also had 5 championships.

”Six” championships now. "Four" championships when he join the team. We have already gone over both players earlier. This is alright stuff though…

Even now more rookies are playing from day 1 and are showing why they could play as rookies and were deserving of being high #1 picks. (Ryan, Flacco)

No argument there. Needs more butter…

Another favorite is that romo has broken team records and that makes him better then most every one else.

Ah damn.

Well with that logic, Rivers and Ben should be better qbs then romo to you since they have also broken team records, led the league in ratings and td passes, and that Ben and Eli have won championships.

Actually, logic dictates that if your quarterback has the skills, it doesn’t matter what their accolades are for them to be deemed good or great, but I see that you’re back to the same-old, same-old…

Isn't that what it is about?

Nope. Your hang up is that others state that Romo is good for *fill in the blank* reason(s) and you can’t stand it even if it’s remotely true. More please…

So many of you would rather win with style points that romo can put up, but those style points dont win championships.

I didn’t know Dan Marino posted on CowboysZone while he’s in a drunken stupor

Aikman didn't put up the style points, all he did was win which so many of you have forgotten about.

When did Aikman begin ‘winning’ Super Bowls?

*insert Jeopardy music here*

So go ahead and keep trying to tell yourself romo can do what you want him to do, and stop trying to trash Ben and Eli because they have done what romo hasn't.

Question. Of the two of us, who has truly bashed Manning, Roethlisberger AND/OR Romo?

If you need a definition of the word ‘bash’, just let me know.

And finally, I know Troy didnt win a Super Bowl by his 39th game. With your logic since romo's stats are so much better then Aikman's after 39 games, that must make romo a better qb. I bet you would be saying after Aikman's 39th game based on his stats, record, etc that he was terrible and should be benched. Since we know how Troy turned out, you can't really predict or judge how good or bad a qb is since Aikman went on to win 3 championships, but he never would have had the chance since he didn't post great #'s like romo has. You would have just kicked Troy to the curb. So ya, keep thinking based on romo's first 39 starts that you know he will turn out to be great and that 39 starts is a measuring stick for success.

My thanks again, CowboyMike. J

What if romo sucks it up really bad this year and they go 5-11, are you going to blame Wade, Garrett, Roy, or whoelse?

Me

I will place the blame on all those I feel were responsible, just as I have in the past on this forum. Use the forum archives and input my username. Now, if your question is whether I will place a larger share of specific blame on any player, coach or even Jerry Jones, that is something which can only be answered until season’s end. However, don’t allow my established track record stop you from doing the exact opposite. Stay exactly as you have since day one.

Eventually the excuses are going to have to stop and romo will be held accountable.

You could be right, but as of right now, that probability is more remote than apparent and will probably be far longer than you believe.

When this team gets a real head coach and a qb like a Manning, Rivers, or Big Ben, then we can talk about this team in a SuperBowl.

Makes one wonder how the heck Trent Dilfer wound up with a Super Bowl ring.

Somebody! A-n-y-b-o-d-y! Shoot me, damn it!

So explain to me now how romo is better then these guys, since they have broken their team records, led the league in tds or rating, and have won playoff games and Super Bowls? Thats ok, because you cant!

I’m not going to even try. That corn cob is motivating you to defecate all over Romo 24/7. A laxative would be your best bet for relieving that inner anguish.

I don’t give a personal damn about Manning, Roethlisberger, Rivers or any other quarterback you’re willing to reach deep within your intestinal tract to throw back at anyone with a pro-Romo stance. And I’m not talking about from the mouth.

Tony Romo is a good quarterback who: a) makes good reads; b) can make the short-to-intermediate throws very well; c) can throw a great deep ball but does so well enough to be effective at least 50% of the time or greater; d) has very good pocket awareness; e) can scramble like a demon when necessary to avoid the sack and create on the run; and f) has a strong command of the offense coached to him. He must improve on his: a) protection of the football; and b) maintaining an internal clock after each snap to get rid of the football.

The first subset is what Romo is now. You can’t take it away from him simply because he’s not Mr. So-and-So. The second subset will prove whether he can be a long-term winning quarterback for this team.

THAT’S HOW YOU CAN DISCUSS QUARTERBACKS. If you want to truly start a comparison discussion, try starting there for once on this ****ing board.

I have never claimed I know what will happen, I just have said what I think will or won't happen with romo leading this team. Just like everyone else can say what they think will or want to happen, nobody knows for sure.

I will pray that the Lord doesn’t strike you down with a bolt of lightning. Here’s a brief refresher course:

If Carson Palmer was a Cowboy, the Cowboys win the Super Bowl last year and this year. If romo was on the Bengals, they would win less games then they did last year.

Romo is a coward…

Dallas will never have a superbowl win as long as romo is the qb...

It wouldnt take much to replace romo. ~ My comment: If anyone wanted to see someone top Jerry Jones’ famous ‘500 coaches’ quip, this would be it. ~

Probably too illogical for you beause you either choose to ignore it, or you just cant think for yourself and you along with the others live in a fantasy world that romo will ever take this team to a Super Bowl.

I can only hope for the likes of a Tim Tebow or Colt McCoy next year.

Somebody has been smokin with Quincy Carter to think romo will even come close to winning a Super Bowl as the qb on this team…

Tim Tebow. “NFL superstar quarterback”. J

Aikman came onto a terrible team and the team was built around him and we saw what this team became. And Aikman was plenty good before the team got good around him, Aikman, Emmit, and Irvin wouldn't be who they are today without each other.

If I see another Aikman reference, I’m gonna post that Aikman/Romo/games played graphic that’ll put that nonsense in it’s proper place. I’m not lying. I’ll do it. I’m a man outta control! :chainsaw:

And I'm sure Dallas east will have a nice long response to my other post, but nothing he can say can dispute the facts of what Eli, Ben, and Rivers have accomplished and what romo hasn't. Nothing at all, he can give his opinion as to why he is right and why I am wrong, but the facts dont change.

You wouldn’t know a fact if it spit on you.

And I can be a Cowboys fan and realize that other teams have better players at other positions then what is on this current team.

Yeah, but it would be a good start for you if you could evaluate Romo objectively.

Here’s a bit of advice which you’ll probably won’t take. TwoDeep3 is about the most critical poster on this board about Tony Romo. However, he can state his arguments without your obvious emotional Rivers/Manning/Roethlisberger baggage. Search the forum archives and learn how someone can make a solid discussion without ultimatums which forever places someone’s derrière firmly in a crack. Or don’t. Your choice.

/rant

 

[Idgit]

Dallas East just made a totally mockery of my 'don't quote RedRaiderCowboysFan so I don't have to even see his posts' plea.