NFLN: Lions get permission to speak with Garrett

[McCordsville Cowboy]

Subject says it all.

Oh please oh please oh please oh please...

Get rid of this overpaid scrub and bring in someone with some nads.

 

[Silverstar]

Garrett should take this job and run. I'm amazed he got any HC interviews after this clunker of a year.

I feel the same way.

Sparano shared the play-calling last year and the results were fantastic to say the least, but this year Garrett's been exposed without him IMO. I know some people on this forum hate stats, but they don't lie and here are the Cowboys offensive rankings the last 7 seasons...

Year Rank Team Yards Rush Pass Points

2002 30th DAL 273.7 109.6 164.1 13.6
2003 18th DAL 315.6 121.8 193.8 17.6
2004 16th DAL 324.8 110.8 214.0 18.3
2005 12th DAL 325.1 116.3 208.8 20.3
2006 5th DAL 360.8 121.0 239.8 26.6
2007 3rd DAL 365.4 108.9 256.4 28.4
2008 13th DAL 344.5 107.7 236.8 22.6

As you can see, the Cowboys had steadily improved their offensive ranking and PPG since 2002. Even though they had a solid draft with Jones, Bennett, Choice coming aboard and signed players in Williams, Holland and Bollinger to help an already talented offense, they still regressed under Garrett's play-calling for the first time in 7 years.

 

[cowboyed]

When Jerry Jones wanted to hire an offensive coordinator before selecting a head coach to replace Parcells, I stated on the forum that he should allow his head coach to pick his own offensive coordinator.

Some said that was a bad idea or that it didn't matter who hired assistant coaches.

Fast forward to the present. There is a rumor of Jason Garrett about to leave, which would create a vacancy at offensive coordinator. Suddenly, the same scenario resurfaces. Who hires the new OC?

A: Jerry Jones. He might select another version of Jason Garrett.
B: Wade Phillips. He brought along Brian Stewart as his defensive coordinator. Big whoop.

Still, I won't abandon my personal philosophy. The head coach should make the choice. Phillips' strength may not be offense, but he does know offensive minded coaches. I would expect that the best choice would be made by him and not by Jones.

Ok, but you are either ignorant of the fact or conveniently left out that Jones had a very short time line from Miami to hire Garrett and that Wade Phillips was on board with this. In fact Wade was on board with Garrett being assistant head coach.

If this were an issue Wade would never have agreed to become head coach then. Wade agreed, good grief! We already have learned that Wade is a hands off head coach even on the defensive side. Sad to state that Wade had to be strongly urged by Jerry to get more involved in his very own coaching specialty when our defense was heading south game after game.

Ironically Jerry's involvement motivated Wade to take a more active role on defense and overall it worked!

 

[Hostile]

You are one of the few posters on here Iceberg that is defending wanting to keep Garrett.

I am just curious as to why? What exactly is going to change by keeping Garrett?

That is what I just dont get. If we keep the same players and the same coaches, then why should we expect a totally different result?

Albert Einstein called this the definition of insanity.

So why keep Garrett, why are you so adament about keeping him???

First of all it won't be the same players. Every year there is roster turnover.

Second of all how many years did Landry have virtually the same coaching staff? Even in the years that they weren't going anywhere his staff remained intact.

Tom must have been clueless huh?

 

[Bach]

First of all it won't be the same players. Every year there is roster turnover.

Second of all how many years did Landry have virtually the same coaching staff? Even in the years that they weren't going anywhere his staff remained intact.

Tom must have been clueless huh?

Landry had a streak of going to the playoffs 18 times in 20 years. With that kind of record I think I'd probably try to leave things relatively intact too.

Please tell me you aren't comparing our situation now with that of Landry.

 

[Hostile]

Landry had a streak of going to the playoffs 18 times in 20 years. With that kind of record I think I'd probably try to leave things relatively intact too.

Please tell me you aren't comparing our situation now with that of Landry.

There is no such thing as an exact comparison in football. So maybe, just maybe I wasn't saying there is. Think about it.

 

[Bach]

There is no such thing as an exact comparison in football. So maybe, just maybe I wasn't saying there is. Think about it.

I never said it was exact. It's still a major reach. Think about it.

 

[goshan]

Is Jason Garrett in charge of the offense? If so, lets look at the reasons we should hope he isn't back next year:

1. No management of the QB in terms of cutting down turnovers
2. Not mixing in the new RB talent (Jones, Choice) until 3-4 games too late
3. A 'middle of the pack' offensive team statistically despite talent
4. Not realizing during the season, especially after a game like the second win in Washington that we may be better off with a heavy run attack
5. Not realizing that maybe Proctor was an issue until the second half of the Philly game, when the season was basically over
6. Being cited by the top 2 players on offense (one of them, Romo, who generally is above board) as not adjusting and having a scheme that everyone had figured out
7. Not realizing we needed more intermediate routes until the game against the Eagles
8. Not being able to get RWII into the offense the entire season
9. Arguably, questionable play calling throughout the season

Who is accountable for these issues?
JG is at least somewhat accountable for every single one, and mostly accountable for them all.

I hope he is not back. He was awful this year.
If it were 3-4 things maybe, but too many bad decisions in my book.

 

[Hostile]

I never said it was exact. It's still a major reach. Think about it.

1960 to 1966 you'd be dead wrong. Same coach, same example. The team started to falter in 1980's. Same coach, same example.

I'm more aware of the 20 year winning streak than you apparently understand. Want to know the year it started and ended? I mean if we're going to play easy Cowboys trivia let's play. I can even tell you what years we won the division and recount for you how we actually won 3 different divisions. Some of those "winning years" were just one game above .500 just like this year. Want proof?

So glad you asked.

1974, we were 8-6 and missed the playoffs.
1984, we were 9-7 and missed the playoffs.

Now I am pretty sure you will point out that those were the 2 years in 20 that you mentioned we didn't make the playoffs.

We also did not blow up the team just because they hadn't done that. Which was exactly the point of my original comment that you decided to read more into than what I intimated.

The major reach was your interpretation, not my point.

 

[Bach]

You have no point if you're trying to compare having continuity with Wade with that of Landry.

I also know the team was founded in 1960 so it's no surprise they would struggle in the early 60's and just changing out coaches wasn't the issue.

And when you then go on to miss the playoffs only twice in 20 years then obviously you aren't going to just abandon things on either of those two occasions after just one or two bumps on the road.

Starting in the mid 80's til Jimmy got hired there did need to changes though that weren't made.

But this team hasn't won a playoff game in 13 years. This team has a HC who has been a HC with 5 teams now and has never won a playoff game. So any comparisons, regardless of how exact or inexact, of this current team with Wade and the Landry years is totally irrelevant and a reach.

 

[Doomsay]

Proven winner vs. proven loser. I think that you give the former the benefit of the doubt. Plus, this is one of the most dysfunctional teams I have ever seen and it's getting worse, hardly an endorsement for the coach.

 

[Bach]

Proven winner vs. proven loser. I think that you give the former the benefit of the doubt. Plus, this is one of the most dysfunctional teams I have ever seen and it's getting worse, hardly an endorsement for the coach.

But we're in the headlines and Jerry's making money. Life is good.

 

[Doomsday101]

You have no point if you're trying to compare having continuity with Wade with that of Landry.

I also know the team was founded in 1960 so it's no surprise they would struggle in the early 60's and just changing out coaches wasn't the issue.

And when you then go on to miss the playoffs only twice in 20 years then obviously you aren't going to just abandon things on either of those two occasions after just one or two bumps on the road.

Starting in the mid 80's til Jimmy got hired there did need to changes though that weren't made.

But this team hasn't won a playoff game in 13 years. This team has a HC who has been a HC with 5 teams now and has never won a playoff game. So any comparisons, regardless of how exact or inexact, of this current team with Wade and the Landry years is totally irrelevant and a reach.

So you are taking 13 years and dumping it on Wade Phillips? 1 thing for sure fans are quick to run coaches out of town that is why good GM do not listen to fools. Everything is based on knee jerk reaction "Fire the coach and all is well" what you end up with is a revolving door at HC as well as the staff the coach brings in and the players are constantly learning new systems

 

[Bach]

So you are taking 13 years and dumping it on Wade Phillips?

Oh lord. No, I'm dumping his lack of postseason wins in his career on him.

The last 13 years was a comparison of this team vs. Landry team's that made the playoffs 18 of 20 years.

1 thing for sure fans are quick to run coaches out of town that is why good GM do not listen to fools. Everything is based on knee jerk reaction "Fire the coach and all is well" what you end up with is a revolving door at HC as well as the staff the coach brings in and the players are constantly learning new systems

But what happens when you have a fool for a GM?

 

[casmith07]

So you are taking 13 years and dumping it on Wade Phillips? 1 thing for sure fans are quick to run coaches out of town that is why good GM do not listen to fools. Everything is based on knee jerk reaction "Fire the coach and all is well" what you end up with is a revolving door at HC as well as the staff the coach brings in and the players are constantly learning new systems

Usually if you start thinking like a fan, you end up sitting with them.

But when EVERYONE else including your QB thinks the team was "out-schemed" there might be a coaching problem.

 

[Doomsday101]

Oh lord. No, I'm dumping his lack of postseason wins in his career on him.

The last 13 years was a comparison of this team vs. Landry team's that made the playoffs 18 of 20 years.






But what happens when you have a fool for a GM?

I don't think we have a fool for a GM, he has gone out and brought in good talent and our drafts have been much better including this past draft that has seen Felix Jones, Bennett and Choice. No the only fools I see are people running around like chicken with their heads cut off thinking they know how to run a team.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

I think Garrett would get eaten alive by the Lions,









Sorry I couldnt resist!:

 

[Doomsday101]

Usually if you start thinking like a fan, you end up sitting with them.

But when EVERYONE else including your QB thinks the team was "out-schemed" there might be a coaching problem.

I'm not saying this team does not have to change but I don't believe in firing coaches after 2 seasons.

 

[Hostile]

Proven winner vs. proven loser. I think that you give the former the benefit of the doubt. Plus, this is one of the most dysfunctional teams I have ever seen and it's getting worse, hardly an endorsement for the coach.

Uh, Landry was not a proven winner for many years. In 1965 the fans and media were calling for his head. His record was a sterling 25-53-4. Cowboys players wanted him fired. His systems were not working.

In your mind, that is a "proven winner?"

Tex Schramm gave him a 10 years extension. It took him 6 more years to win a Super Bowl and shed the label "Next Year's Champs."

You honestly want to tell me fans today would give him the "benefit of the doubt?" No way in hell.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

I'm not saying this team does not have to change but I don't believe in firing coaches after 2 seasons.

I think we are in a tough spot.

1. Jerry wants it to look like hiring Wade was right so he lets him roll another year
2. Its bad to change coaches often

none of the above should weigh in the decision to keep him but they will....​