NFLN: Lions get permission to speak with Garrett

casmith07

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silver;2537447 said:
can he take roy 11 and give us back our picks???

:lmao2:

Then maybe we could get a hard-worker and good route runner like TJ Houshmandzadeh or Anquan Boldin for simply a contract + signing bonus, and use our picks for some help at Safety and ILB and OL.

Nah, wouldn't happen.

Edit: response to RainMan and Iceberg -- I think RainMan is right. Everyone always says it's a "win now" league.
 

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Guess I'm in the minority.

I'm not confident that losing Garrett is addition by subtraction or that he is the real problem with our lack of offensive production.

But I'm just a fan on the internet so what do I know... :D.

I agree with Jerry on one thing. Continuity on our coaching staff will ultimately bear good fruit. That is a lot of the potential I saw in Garrett.

It'll be interesting to see what Garrett does if given an offer.
 

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JustSayNotoTO;2537700 said:
Exactly, this learning on the fly stuff is a joke. You either produce, or you ****. This offense doesnt play anywhere near up to its potential, and some of Garretts playcalling is mindboggling to the point of disbelief.

again you rag on garrett but don't back it up. i don't disagree he needs work. but most young coaches do.

now also, any stats on this hail mary every pass or can we agree you're vening and making crap up to be mad about cause it's fun?
 

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dbair1967;2537686 said:
Be careful what you wish for people.

I can only imagine the reactions here should Garrett go elsewhere and do a good job. You fickle folks would be slamming Jones faster than a flea jumps to bite a dogs arse.

I'm being careful man. Very careful.

Witness me carefully praying that the Lions see Red as the next greatest savior and pluck him immediately. ----> :pray:
 

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18th scoring offense, 13th in total yards

You like those stats?

Oh, and he is also the one that persuaded Jerry into bringing in BJ.
 

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iceberg;2537709 said:
but those are our choices, are they not? be patient and stay true? run at 1st sign of trouble?

so far i see a lot of people wanting to run. where they don't know, but away is the ticket. it's a fools "run" to just do it because and not have a plan. jones put this plan in place last year and it worked well sans 1 playoff game. the one where the eventual superbowl champ beat us. now we have some talk and some trouble, RUN AWAY comes up.

you can be as fickle as you'd like. nothing i can do there. but we giggle at the skins fans for never seeing anything through then we come around and demand change.

you know, just change.

i'm not sure what i'd like to see. i think garrett will be a good coach but not here. i hate that but understand that. but if we give up so soon, we're the skins and i hope we laugh at ourselves as much as we've laughed at teh coaching carousel snyder has done.

I shared your see-it-through approach when everyone wanted Parcells gone. My words of caution back then to fans were, "Be careful what you wish for." We got change, and it was the sort of change I always feared.

So I see what you're saying with regards to Garrett. And, yes, he shouldn't be let go if a solid replacement plan is not in place. I'll be the first to admit I don't know who should be the guy. And, no, I don't want him fired only to have Jerry caught with his pants down as he realizes there's no one to hire.

But this offense was inadequate, and a lot of the problems pointed to a poor offensive coordinator. From the play calling itself, to the game plan, to the inability to mix in our various runners, to the unwillingness to stick with a running game, to our inability to understand or react to what opponents were doing. Our team is full of a bunch of softies, so I'm hesitant to take THEIR word that Garrett is failing them, but I do think it's telling that Romo and Owens are so willing to lay it out there in explicit detail just how it is that Garrett has failed this offense.

Maybe keeping Garrett is the answer. Maybe he has a bright future and needs time. But 2008 showed he's not equipped to be the sole mind of this offense. Remember, you credit him for 2007, but he had Sparano right by his side, who, at last check, is doing fairly well in Miami. Perhaps we overvalued Garrett's importance to last year's team and undervalued Sparano's. So, at the least, he needs someone in here to help hold his hand through the process, as silly as it sounds for an offensive coordinator raking in $3 million.
 

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JustSayNotoTO;2537429 said:
Subject says it all.

Oh please oh please oh please oh please...

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:pray:
 

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JustSayNotoTO;2537731 said:
18th scoring offense, 13th in total yards

You like those stats?

Oh, and he is also the one that persuaded Jerry into bringing in BJ.

what about the yr before when we didnt have as many injuries?

and for the record, he wanted us to sign Kerry Collins, and Collins turned us down. He then recommended Johnson.
 

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Fans wanted Landry gone too when his Offense sputtered. It's the circle of life in football.
 

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JustSayNotoTO;2537731 said:
18th scoring offense, 13th in total yards

You like those stats?

Oh, and he is also the one that persuaded Jerry into bringing in BJ.

yep. that can only come from the hail mary every pass. don't bother, you lack of an answer was the answer i figured you'd give.

continue giggling at yourself.
 

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JustSayNotoTO;2537731 said:
18th scoring offense, 13th in total yards

You like those stats?

Oh, and he is also the one that persuaded Jerry into bringing in BJ.

And on the day we traded for Roy, Jerry stated on NFL Network that one of the main reasons he so aggressively pursued that trade was that Garrett told him landing a receiver like Roy would be the single biggest thing he could do for this offense.

For what it's worth.
 

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RainMan;2537745 said:
And on the day we traded for Roy, Jerry stated on NFL Network that one of the main reasons he so aggressively pursued that trade was that Garrett told him landing a receiver like Roy would be the single biggest thing he could do for this offense.
For what it's worth.

something that was echo'd by about 10,000 people in this forum

fwiw
 

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RainMan;2537733 said:
I shared your see-it-through approach when everyone wanted Parcells gone. My words of caution back then to fans were, "Be careful what you wish for." We got change, and it was the sort of change I always feared.

So I see what you're saying with regards to Garrett. And, yes, he shouldn't be let go if a solid replacement plan is not in place. I'll be the first to admit I don't know who should be the guy. And, no, I don't want him fired only to have Jerry caught with his pants down as he realizes there's no one to hire.

But this offense was inadequate, and a lot of the problems pointed to a poor offensive coordinator. From the play calling itself, to the game plan, to the inability to mix in our various runners, to the unwillingness to stick with a running game, to our inability to understand or react to what opponents were doing. Our team is full of a bunch of softies, so I'm hesitant to take THEIR word that Garrett is failing them, but I do think it's telling that Romo and Owens are so willing to lay it out there in explicit detail just how it is that Garrett has failed this offense.

Maybe keeping Garrett is the answer. Maybe he has a bright future and needs time. But 2008 showed he's not equipped to be the sole mind of this offense. Remember, you credit him for 2007, but he had Sparano right by his side, who, at last check, is doing fairly well in Miami. Perhaps we overvalued Garrett's importance to last year's team and undervalued Sparano's. So, at the least, he needs someone in here to help hold his hand through the process, as silly as it sounds for an offensive coordinator raking in $3 million.

some good points to be sure. i'm still looking around and seeing how things unfold before i say i believe i know the right answer. get rid of garrett is just a move, no idea if right or wrong. yet.

you either believe him him long term or you don't. sprano may have had more to do with it than we know. i'm just not on the dogpile red mindset because this is a bad time to to just make rash decisions.

again, good points.
 

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dbair1967;2537737 said:
what about the yr before when we didnt have as many injuries?

and for the record, he wanted us to sign Kerry Collins, and Collins turned us down. He then recommended Johnson.

Sparono.
 

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Dave_in-NC;2537762 said:

Garrett trashed the playbook and totally redid the passing game though, remember? The only thing they left the same was the run game.

He called all the plays.
 
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