NFLN: Lions get permission to speak with Garrett

[Cochese]

didnt Romo break about every single season passing record we had in 2007?

Diddnt we have other offensive coaches who are just as responsible, if not more responsible for this fact?

 

[RainMan]

didnt Romo break about every single season passing record we had in 2007?

Again, lest we credit Garrett for that when Sparano was also on staff with a key offensive role?

We have one season of evidence to base a Garrett-only offense on, and it wasn't that promising.

Doesn't mean Garrett's evil, stupid or the Daniel Snyder himself. But this offense needs a philosophical change next season in terms of how it utilizes its receivers, sticks with the running game, develops its quarterback and game plans for opponents. My fear is it seems like an awfully big leap of faith to take to think that Garrett, in one season, will learn all those things.

Again, my problem this season had much less to do with the offensive stats (which, granted, were only slightly above average) and much more to do with the grander scheme of the structure, philosophy and game planning.

 

[Hostile]

Garrett trashed the playbook and totally redid the passing game though, remember? The only thing they left the same was the run game.

He called all the plays.

This is correct and won't be acknowledged.

 

[zrinkill]

what about the yr before when we didnt have as many injuries?

and for the record, he wanted us to sign Kerry Collins, and Collins turned us down. He then recommended Johnson.

 

[dbair1967]

Diddnt we have other offensive coaches who are just as responsible, if not more responsible for this fact?

I dont know, but I do know they tore up the entire passing game playbook and re-did it. The only thing that stayed the same was the run game design.

That was Garrett's doing wasnt it? He also called all those plays.

 

[dbair1967]

Again, lest we credit Garrett for that when Sparano was also on staff with a key offensive role?

We have one season of evidence to base a Garrett-only offense on, and it wasn't that promising.

Doesn't mean Garrett's evil, stupid or the Daniel Snyder himself. But this offense needs a philosophical change next season in terms of how it utilizes its receivers, sticks with the running game, develops its quarterback and game plans for opponents. My fear is it seems like an awfully big leap of faith to take to think that Garrett, in one season, will learn all those things.

Again, my problem this season had much less to do with the offensive stats (which, granted, were only slightly above average) and much more to do with the grander scheme of the structure, philosophy and game planning.

like someone else stated, you guys want to ignore the fact that Garrett did indeed re-do the entire passing offense. He called all those plays.

 

[RainMan]

something that was echo'd by about 10,000 people in this forum

fwiw

We, however, are hopefully not the ones that have Jerry's ear. We are obviously also not the ones who have the ability to orchestrate a game plan to utilize the new $45 million man.

Fans are fickled. It's why Jerry's best served not listening to our pleas right now. But just because fans can be wrong doesn't mean management is always right, if you know what I mean.

This team needs a major overhaul in how it goes out and prepares and how it views what it takes to win football games. Perhaps we can accomplish that by keeping every major coach in place. We'll see.

 

[windward]

All joking aside, I'm on the fence on whether Garrett stays or leaves.

I'm willing to see what he does in his 3rd year here and if he can learn from a bad season.

 

[RainMan]

like someone else stated, you guys want to ignore the fact that Garrett did indeed re-do the entire passing offense. He called all those plays.

I'm not trying to ignore anything. As I posted in a different thread, it would not surprise me if he left and became a successful head coach. I don't think he's a mental midget. But I think this season showed many overestimated how quick his rise to coaching stardom would be, and it's left us with a man in over his head.

Doesn't mean I don't think he has a bright future. I do. But unfortunately for us, as we wait it out, we're left with a sputtering offense.

In my opinion, we're between a rock and a hard place. Keep him, and continue to risk undermining Phillips with his obvious replacement standing behind his back -- only in a role that he's not that good at. Or, let him go, and risk him excelling elsewhere while we're stuck with Wade.

Again, that's why I used my "It's time to crap or get off the pot" reference. I don't think it's healthy to have him waiting in the wings, don't think he's good in the current offensive coordinator role, which, if we want to keep him, leaves one option. But even his ardent fans here seem to agree he might not yet be ready for that role yet, either.

So what do we do? Wallow in mediocrity 'til he's ready?

 

[TellerMorrow34]

I could only hope to be so lucky that someone just hires him from us. God that would be so great and it would allow Jerry to say he didn't go back on his claim that he wasn't going to fire anyone.

Please, please, please Detriot take Garrett for us.

 

[RainMan]

some good points to be sure. i'm still looking around and seeing how things unfold before i say i believe i know the right answer. get rid of garrett is just a move, no idea if right or wrong. yet.

you either believe him him long term or you don't. sprano may have had more to do with it than we know. i'm just not on the dogpile red mindset because this is a bad time to to just make rash decisions.

again, good points.

I can agree. The childish one liners are meaningless, but I have to admit, they sometimes feel good as an avenue to vent. I think it's fair to say we're all frustrated here, even if we have differing visions of how things should be handled.

And I'm willing to agree that those of us willing to completely poop on Garrett might look just as silly next year as those of us who built him up as the absolute second coming a year ago probably feel now.

 

[iceberg]

I can agree. The childish one liners are meaningless, but I have to admit, they sometimes feel good as an avenue to vent. I think it's fair to say we're all frustrated here, even if we have differing visions of how things should be handled.

And I'm willing to agree that those of us willing to completely poop on Garrett might look just as silly next year as those of us who built him up as the absolute second coming a year ago probably feel now.

yep. a whole lot of venting going on. i just try to stay rational or at least a version i believe to be such. : ) i understand the need to get digs in at what you percieve to be the problem, but when people make it worse than it is then say "but it's true!"....

maybe i just need to vent at that.

enjoyed talking with you on this one and appreciate your views. time to go get some ads made for a website for me.

 

[Snstrbts]

Mike Martz might be a good fit as OC.

 

[DallasEast]

When Jerry Jones wanted to hire an offensive coordinator before selecting a head coach to replace Parcells, I stated on the forum that he should allow his head coach to pick his own offensive coordinator.

Some said that was a bad idea or that it didn't matter who hired assistant coaches.

Fast forward to the present. There is a rumor of Jason Garrett about to leave, which would create a vacancy at offensive coordinator. Suddenly, the same scenario resurfaces. Who hires the new OC?

A: Jerry Jones. He might select another version of Jason Garrett.
B: Wade Phillips. He brought along Brian Stewart as his defensive coordinator. Big whoop.

Still, I won't abandon my personal philosophy. The head coach should make the choice. Phillips' strength may not be offense, but he does know offensive minded coaches. I would expect that the best choice would be made by him and not by Jones.

 

[JPM]

Mike Martz might be a good fit as OC.

Good lord no. Barber, Jones, Choice will never see the ball.

 

[Ren]

NFLN: Lions get permission to speak with Garrett


get it done lions, get it done

and seriously Garrett this is as good as it's going to get for you be sure to take this job

 

[Hostile]

Bring back Julius Jones. We were 13-3 with him here. [/sarcasm]

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Ok I missed it or something but where did people get this information that Garrett and company tore up the passing game playbook book from last year and totally re-did it for this year?

Is this something that they could back up with some fact or is just something they think happened?

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Good lord no. Barber, Jones, Choicewill never see the ball.

Exactly. Martz sucks as an OC, and has every since the day the Greatest Show On Turf fell apart.

Our quality runningbacks would be doing absolutely nothing for us cause Martz doesn't like the running game.

Jones would get the shot to catch a lot of balls though.

 

[Cochese]

In the past 2 weeks, we have had our QB and our #1 wideout come out and say that the scheme is the problem, and there are still people queing up to mention the 'glory days' of 2007. Unbelievable.