CFZ No one wants to debate Pollards new role?

[blueblood70]

I get it but the play I was referring to was so well blocked I could have run around the end and picked up positive yards. I am joking of course, but I think any NFL RB would have gotten yards there.

In game 1 Vaughn had 6 carries for 8 yards, and in game 2 he had 3 carries for 16 yards, 13 coming on that one 1 play. So all together he has 9 carries for 24 yards. He has done nothing impressive yet. I have no idea why they took Pollard off the field early in the game to get Vaughn in. I suspect it was because they felt throwing him out their against the Giants when they were killing the clock was an unfair way to gauge his ability. I would agree with that.

But I only want what's best for the team and if trying run run Vaughn outside winds up in a 2 yard loss 50% of the time, I'd rather Dowdle run it up the gut where he seems to squeeze out a few positive yards.

I freely admit, I never bought the Vaughn hype. I saw his college videos but the NFL is a much faster game and there are no slouch teams or players in the NFL. I have nothing against the player, I just need to see him do something special at this level of play before I will be convinced he is the real deal. I would say the same about any other rookie player.

Right so we're wasting money $10 million on Tony Pollard cause any bat can get three yards per carry thank you thank you for finally seeing the light if you get paid you're gonna get criticized right now Tony Pollard does not look special he looks average and it's because he's not being utilized the way he was when zeke took all The Dirty work and all the criticism.. I'm finally we got to a point where people are starting to figure it out This is why I made this post.. We just spent $10 million on a running back that can average 3 yards per carry..

 

[THEHEREAFTER]

We dominated TOP 42/17 and ran 83 plays. I think this workload was a bit of an aberration and yes, we do need to keep him fresh. I was a big fan of Malik Davis.

 

[blueblood70]

Nobody is talking about that. we're talking about Pollard's usage this year. We're not re-singing him.

This I agree he's definitely not getting resigned especially looking at he's not bringing anything special at table when he's the number one guy so you can't pay a guy that much money with I bet his camp is gonna want to be the number one guy when you can't be the number one guy..

 

[blueblood70]

I'd appreciate a little proof reading. That way I don't have to go back and proof read for you for understanding. So if I understand you, you're talking about checks and balances in the running game because it appears that things look the same as with Zeke. Discuss it until you're blue in the face. Have at it! All I am saying is that we're basing this off of two games that includes an offensive switch. It's obvious that the approach is to limit mistakes while giving the defense every opportunity to flourish. In the end, who cares about stats or usage. It's about wins and we've looked pretty good in these two wins. All I am saying is we need a few more games to actually have solid conversation based on a pattern of facts. You wanna talk about two games worth of information with a team still getting used to a new approach, have at it!

And zeke has been part of a lot of wins in his career and he was here when they were 12 and 5 he was here when they were thirteen and three as a rookie as a matter of fact there's no way Prescott wins rookie of the year without that impressive one of the top five all time rookie years by a running back.. Maybe you forgot that elliott's been here the whole entire time up until this season they changed the offense now you don't know how he play in this offense so I'm saying for $10 million Tony Pollard can be criticized just like zeke was being criticized at $11 million he's not getting it done as a number one anymore or any less than zeke would have and yes we're winning games we were winning games the last two seasons...
Look this was not about to be purposely critical of Pollard but I'm showing fans right now early in this season a guys making $10 million if this was Ezekiel Elliott on Sunday he would have been criticized they would have said why do we still have this guy Tony Pollard should be #1 hey turn about is fair play he is number one he only gave us three yards per carry if you remove the 25 yard carry that's 24 carries 50 yards?? If that was zeke he would be have his own little thread maybe three and I'll making sure we are now balanced and if Tony Pollard has a blow up game and has 250 yards I'll be here to pat him on the back and tell him how great he is for one game..

 

[Denim Chicken]

Right so we're wasting money $10 million on Tony Pollard cause any bat can get three yards per carry thank you thank you for finally seeing the light if you get paid you're gonna get criticized right now Tony Pollard does not look special he looks average and it's because he's not being utilized the way he was when zeke took all The Dirty work and all the criticism.. I'm finally we got to a point where people are starting to figure it out This is why I made this post.. We just spent $10 million on a running back that can average 3 yards per carry..

You're basing this on one game?

Please let me know all the other RBs who never had a game under 3YPC.

 

[blueblood70]

I get it but the play I was referring to was so well blocked I could have run around the end and picked up positive yards. I am joking of course, but I think any NFL RB would have gotten yards there.

In game 1 Vaughn had 6 carries for 8 yards, and in game 2 he had 3 carries for 16 yards, 13 coming on that one 1 play. So all together he has 9 carries for 24 yards. He has done nothing impressive yet. I have no idea why they took Pollard off the field early in the game to get Vaughn in. I suspect it was because they felt throwing him out their against the Giants when they were killing the clock was an unfair way to gauge his ability. I would agree with that.

But I only want what's best for the team and if trying run run Vaughn outside winds up in a 2 yard loss 50% of the time, I'd rather Dowdle run it up the gut where he seems to squeeze out a few positive yards.

I freely admit, I never bought the Vaughn hype. I saw his college videos but the NFL is a much faster game and there are no slouch teams or players in the NFL. I have nothing against the player, I just need to see him do something special at this level of play before I will be convinced he is the real deal. I would say the same about any other rookie player.

Give deuce von 10 carries two series in a row and I bet he has some production he's going to have to have some carries just like you just saw Tony Pollard he has one carry for 25 yards and he has 24 carries for 50 yards you think that's impressive you don't think deuce Vaughn could have done that given the same amount of carries this is my point once making 10 million is now considered the number one he's gonna get criticized just like zeke did..

 

[blueblood70]

You're basing this on one game?

Please let me know all the other RBs who never had a game under 3YPC.

Yes because that's the only game we just played and this would have been zeke's game he would have had three maybe more threads opened up saying how he's washed and why is Tony Pollard not the number one guy yes that is how it works this is a game by game forum is it not all we have to go by is the game that was just played and I'm telling you that's a pretty below average game for a NFL running back making $10 million..

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

has nothing to do with Rush and what he did or the defense did. has to do with you and your lingo and who you tend to sound like. first 3 words of what i highlighted. Im just telling you that you get salty wll maybe salty isnt the word. You question why you get lumped in and Im telling you why.

You can do you but when you say it like that and you can be seen liking their posts as frequently as you are thats why you get lumped in.

Fairly or Not.

Yes...I use that term. Because people have turned my words into things I have never said. Then when I ask them what they are talking about...I get the "you know what you said" or better yet the "it's disguised" or "you're saying it without saying it".

Many of these same people refused....still...to give Cooper credit. Even if driving the bus remote controlled by the defense.

I'm gonna call it out when it's explicit. If that puts me in that dastardly club...so be it I was already in it.

 

[starfan1]

Yes...I use that term. Because people have turned my words into things I have never said. Then when I ask them what they are talking about...I get the "you know what you said" or better yet the "it's disguised" or "you're saying it without saying it".

Many of these same people refused....still...to give Cooper credit. Even if driving the bus remote controlled by the defense.

I'm gonna call it out when it's explicit. If that puts me in that dastardly club...so be it I was already in it.

you do you.to the elite club. just funning and we probably should be careful using that 3 letter word in a thread that wasnt his

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Nobody is talking about that. we're talking about Pollard's usage this year. We're not re-singing him.

YEs...talking about using pollard this year. OR rather...the concern for OVER using. Misusing even.

Like we did Zeke.

I get zeke is gone and you never want to see or speak his name ever again. But he is part of our history. We'll have to live with it as best we can.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

you do you.to the elite club.

Always have always will...if you hadn;t noticed.

Let the chips fall....no worries here. I yam what I yam.

 

[BleedSilverandBlue]

We just spent $10 million on a running back that can average 3 yards per carry..

In 2022 you do realize his per touch average was #3 in the entire league for RBs with over 200 carries/receptions?

That makes him one of the most efficient players in the game.

Basing your entire argument on a single game, especially one where Dallas was up huge and needed to burn clock, is pretty intellectually dishonest.

 

[blueblood70]

You do realize his per touch average was #3 in the entire league for RBs with over 200 carries/receptions?

That makes him one of the most efficient players in the game.

Basing your entire argument on a single game is pretty intellectually dishonest.

It's actually not I get to post whatever I feel like it if you don't like it say so and move on this is what they did with Z this is what they do with other guys on our team I'm gonna do it in a game by game basis dude but I did provide you with information he finished the last five games last year at 3.8 yards per carry no touchdowns no explosive plays in 51 yards per game and now this year in two games he has not been that impressive I don't care about how many carries he's had we washed the zeke up all the time the word washed because of his yards per carry... Just trying to get my point across we have a $10 million player that 3 yards per carry it's not very good..

 

[MyFairLady]

Fat Zeke held out for biggest RB contract ever then proceeding to stink up the joint. Praise Jerry he is finally gone. Pollard is on a 1 year deal. Show me something or you too are gone. Heck show me something and you may still be gone. Pollard will never be a full blown superstar like Zeke was early on. He will also never be a full blown mega turd like Zeke was later on. Zeke was the ultimate extreme in both directions. Pollard is just a nice player who has for the most part been on team friendly contracts.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

has nothing to do with Rush and what he did or the defense did. has to do with you and your lingo and who you tend to sound like. first 3 words of what i highlighted. Im just telling you that you get salty wll maybe salty isnt the word. You question why you get lumped in and Im telling you why.

You can do you but when you say it like that and you can be seen liking their posts as frequently as you are thats why you get lumped in.

Fairly or Not.

Regarding "likes". ...do you also track my pro dak ones too?
Ive even liked roys and that guy hates zeke almost as much as he hates me.
If someone says truth....or something i can appreciate....ill like it regardless of their mo or perceived rep.
I dont believe i have liked unreasonable dak criticism. I could be wrong i dont put overwhelming weight on what likes mean. Mostly an afterthought or when i dont feel like typing.

 

[BleedSilverandBlue]

It's actually not I get to post whatever I feel like it if you don't like it say so and move on this is what they did with Z this is what they do with other guys on our team I'm gonna do it in a game by game basis dude but I did provide you with information he finished the last five games last year at 3.8 yards per carry no touchdowns no explosive plays in 51 yards per game and now this year in two games he has not been that impressive I don't care about how many carries he's had we washed the zeke up all the time the word washed because of his yards per carry... Just trying to get my point across we have a $10 million player that 3 yards per carry it's not very good..

Again, cherry picking a few games does nothing for me here. I can do that for literally any player I want. By your metrics Joe Burrow must really be a piece of trash.

I evaluate an entire body of work, and Tony Pollard's is very good. The game flow of the last two games against dominant defensive fronts while missing a few staters on the Oline has made it tough sledding for our RBs so far, but even then 3.8 yards is not horrendous given the circumstances.

May I ask you what your solution to the RB position would have been this season? Surely you would not have wanted to keep Zeke and his contract?

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Again, cherry picking a few games does nothing for me here. I can do that for literally any player I want. By your metrics Joe Burrow must really be a piece of trash.

I evaluate an entire body of work, and Tony Pollard's is very good. The game flow of the last two games against dominant defensive fronts while missing a few staters on the Oline has made it tough sledding for our RBs so far, but even then 3.8 yards is not horrendous given the circumstances.

He did that game!

I dont think this is a tony sucks thread.

 

[Ranching]

I guess my problem is all the other explosive backs in the league who get fed and keep being explosive. I guess the rule only applies to Pollard.

If it makes you happy.....you really think he can sustain 20 plus carries a game? That's over 340 for the seaason, plus pass blocking, short yardage and receptions. I thought you were more knowledgeable than that.

 

[starfan1]

Regarding "likes". ...do you also track my pro dak ones too?
Ive even liked roys and that guy hates zeke almost as much as he hates me.
If someone says truth....or something i can appreciate....ill like it regardless of their mo or perceived rep.
I dont believe i have liked unreasonable dak criticism. I could be wrong i dont put overwhelming weight on what likes mean. Mostly an afterthought or when i dont feel like typing.

all good you do you. what movie was that from? I yam what I am yam seems like I should remember. Rocky?

 

[blueblood70]

Again, cherry picking a few games does nothing for me here. I can do that for literally any player I want. By your metrics Joe Burrow must really be a piece of trash.

I evaluate an entire body of work, and Tony Pollard's is very good. The game flow of the last two games against dominant defensive fronts while missing a few staters on the Oline has made it tough sledding for our RBs so far, but even then 3.8 yards is not horrendous given the circumstances.

Good then I hope 8265 yards 80 tds 305 receptions in 7 seasons with 2 rush titles and would have had 3 if not for the suspension in 2017 .. Man got highly criticized for that career we're not gonna go by one game or two we're going by a career now? I mean Ezekiel elliott's output the first half of both the last two seasons were close to five yards per carry the man put up close to 1000 yards on one leg and he had 12 touchdowns last year and still got criticized what are you talking about where do you think we are we are only in a game by game situation right now the season is not over and I'm gonna point it out because that's what you all do are you telling me we're all supposed to not post anything until after the season because I I seen a whole lot of things in the preseason that were all wrong all the predictions and the assumptions the lack of preseason games the lack of depth I mean you guys like to talk about things that aren't true because it's on your mind and that's what I'm doing it was on my mind..