CFZ No one wants to debate Pollards new role?

[blueblood70]

He did that game!

I dont think this is a tony sucks thread.

It is not it never was it was just pointing out when you're the number one running back your stats could suffer even as a $10 million number one running back this is what they did to other players here they still do it and when I do it they're saying I'm cherry picking because there's not enough sample size but I'm pretty sure I went back to last year the last five games same thing Tony Pollard was not impressive when he's given too many carries that's my point.. Tony Pollard is more effective as a change of pace back that gets less than 18 carries a game that's what I hope they look at and go back to and not just take this guys legs out and wear him out because they know he's not coming back next year.. They're gonna give him the DeMarco Murray treatment..

 

[blueblood70]

If it makes you happy.....you really think he can sustain 20 plus carries a game? That's over 340 for the seaason, plus pass blocking, short yardage and receptions. I thought you were more knowledgeable than that.

Yeah I don't think they understand why I made the post some of it was being facetious and sarcastic because this is what they did to zeke so we got a $10 million number one running back that's handling the ball too much and it's suffering in his production as far as yards per carry go...

 

[BleedSilverandBlue]

Good then I hope 8265 yards 80 tds 305 receptions in 7 seasons with 2 rush titles and would have had 3 if not for the suspension in 2017 .. Man got highly criticized for that career we're not gonna go by one game or two we're going by a career now? I mean Ezekiel elliott's output the first half of both the last two seasons were close to five yards per carry the man put up close to 1000 yards on one leg and he had 12 touchdowns last year and still got criticized what are you talking about where do you think we are we are only in a game by game situation right now the season is not over and I'm gonna point it out because that's what you all do are you telling me we're all supposed to not post anything until after the season because I I seen a whole lot of things in the preseason that were all wrong all the predictions and the assumptions the lack of preseason games the lack of depth I mean you guys like to talk about things that aren't true because it's on your mind and that's what I'm doing it was on my mind..

I am talking about body of work within a reasonable time frame. Not the last 5 games, not an entire career, but the last season or two. Players age and decline.

Zeke was one of my favorite Cowboys players during his time here, but it is completely and totally obvious that his time in the NFL is coming to a close. At the peak of his ability he was the best in the league, but his athleticism has fallen off precipitously and his per carry average was among the worst in the entire NFL the last few seasons. He still had a nose for the endzone in short yardage situations, but that was about the only thing he did at an average-above average level.

You are being unreasonable if you think that the Zeke of the last few seasons was even remotely close to the player we knew from 2016-2019.

 

[blueblood70]

I am talking about body of work within a reasonable time frame. Not the last 5 games, not an entire career, but the last season or two. Players age and decline.

Zeke was one of my favorite Cowboys players during his time here, but it is completely and totally obvious that his time in the NFL is coming to a close. At the peak of his ability he was the best in the league, but his athleticism has fallen off precipitously and his per carry average was among the worst in the entire NFL the last few seasons. He still had a nose for the endzone in short yardage situations, but that was about the only thing he did at an average-above average level.

You are being unreasonable if you think that the Zeke of the last few seasons was even remotely close to the player we knew from 2016-2019.

He wasn't remotely close but he could have done what Pollard did,

he could have got 25 carries for 75 yards yes yes he could have... that's my point but thank you for keep making my point... I didn't say we should not have let zeke go I'm saying his criticism on a daily basis got old and now you're gonna see it from me every time Pollard doesn't look like a $10 million starting running back...

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

all good you do you. what movie was that from? I yam what I am yam seems like I should remember. Rocky?

Popeye the sailor man

 

[BleedSilverandBlue]

He wasn't remotely close but he could have done what Pollard did,

he could have got 25 carries for 75 yards yes yes he could have... that's my point but thank you for keep making my point... I didn't say we should not have let zeke go I'm saying his criticism on a daily basis got old and now you're gonna see it from me every time Pollard doesn't look like a $10 million starting running back...

Again, picking a single game against one of the best defenses in the NFL where the game script basically forced you to run it just to eat clock is a dishonest evaluation. I don't really understand the agenda here.

So to somehow avenge Zeke (and his horrible performance the last few years) you are going to pretend that Pollard is a bad player every single week? That's pretty weird dude.

 

[blueblood70]

Again, picking a single game against one of the best defenses in the NFL where the game script basically forced you to run it just to eat clock is a dishonest evaluation. I don't really understand the agenda here.

So to somehow avenge Zeke (and his horrible performance the last few years) you are going to pretend that Pollard is a bad player every single week? That's pretty weird dude.

Telling you I went back to last year at the end of the season five straight games he looked just like that do you not understand it's bigger than that I want Tony Pollard to have his explosive mid back I want them to take carries away from him I want him to be the change of pace back that's the whole point but I'm gonna point that out because every time zeke fart it wrong it was big news... And I'm gonna make this big news because that's what we do around here every game I imagine if another player who gets highly criticized around here for making mistakes has a bad game it's being highly talked about how much you want to bet you know the number it comes after three and before 5 not allowed to point it out but I think you could read between the numbers if he has a bad game we come right here and talk about it we don't say wait for the bigger sample size this place is a game by game it's a weekly debate session so why is mine any different sounds like you are Z cater who loves Tony Pollard good morning nick that was not a great production by a running back making $10 million anybody could have got 25 carries for 75 yards...

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Again, picking a single game against one of the best defenses in the NFL where the game script basically forced you to run it just to eat clock is a dishonest evaluation. I don't really understand the agenda here.

So to somehow avenge Zeke (and his horrible performance the last few years) you are going to pretend that Pollard is a bad player every single week? That's pretty weird dude.

You just admonished him for small sample size on tony while doing the same thing about jets defense.

 

[RonnieT24]

I am not one who ever expected Pollard to get 5 ypc as the lead dog. Only one or two backs do that in any given year. It's just tougher to do when opposing defensive coordinators spend 40 hours a week studying YOUR tendencies, YOUR strengths and YOUR weaknesses. Pollard will be fine. I don't want him getting 25 carries in a game on a regular basis because doing so negates what makes him special which is the home run ability. Taking a beating like 25 carries in a game will beat the explosiveness out of most backs. The Cowboys need to dial that back going forward. Sure there may be another game or three where the game dictates it, but we should not want Pollard up over 300 carries. I think that's a recipe for a beaten down RB1 come playoff time.

 

[blueblood70]

I am not one who ever expected Pollard to get 5 ypc as the lead dog. Only one or two backs do that in any given year. It's just tougher to do when opposing defensive coordinators spend 40 hours a week studying YOUR tendencies, YOUR strengths and YOUR weaknesses. Pollard will be fine. I don't want him getting 25 carries in a game on a regular basis because doing so negates what makes him special which is the home run ability. Taking a beating like 25 carries in a game will beat the explosiveness out of most backs. The Cowboys need to dial that back going forward. Sure there may be another game or three where the game dictates it, but we should not want Pollard up over 300 carries. I think that's a recipe for a beaten down RB1 come playoff time.

That's exactly my point thank you trying to put that across to these people that he was overused and he under delivered I mean five yards per carry is one thing but when you have one carry for 25 yards and 24 for 50 you're being used incorrectly in my opinion.. They did lose his explosiveness last year in the last five games and he got hurt twice and people just don't understand what I'm trying to say he never is going to be the number one running back in a way in which we used guys like DeMarco Murray Emmitt Smith and his Ezekiel Elliott they were three down backs that can also block... He can be called the starting running back because he'll get more of the carries but I think they need to be smarter with the way they're doling out all these carries to the other backs..

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

That's exactly my point thank you trying to put that across to these people that he was overused and he under delivered I mean five yards per carry is one thing but when you have one carry for 25 yards and 24 for 50 you're being used incorrectly in my opinion.. They did lose his explosiveness last year in the last five games and he got hurt twice and people just don't understand what I'm trying to say he never is going to be the number one running back in a way in which we used guys like DeMarco Murray Emmitt Smith and his Ezekiel Elliott they were three down backs that can also block... He can be called the starting running back because he'll get more of the carries but I think they need to be smarter with the way they're doling out all these carries to the other backs..

Ron has a way with presentation....ima little jelly how he can keep a bias or spin out while making a clear concise and factual point.

 

[NotForLong]

It's been a great start to the season so don't get me wrong but being a huge Ezekiel Elliott fan and getting tired of all the negativity that went towards his allegedly being washed you know how much mileage that dude has on his legs from the back-to-back 1800 yard seasons in college his 1600 yard top five rookie campaign and all the carries he got here and then he's being criticized for having 3.8 yards per carry being the number one back.....

I like Tony Pollard but let's go back and see what his last six games looks like and I can tell you this right now without even going with a calculator he finished the season last year, the last five games, he got injured twice, 3.8 yards per carry, no touchdowns, no explosive plays, 51 yards per game...hmmm​

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He's somehow being applauded for his 25 carries 75-yard output against The Jets, who have yes a very good defense our offensive lines a little banged up but when did Ezekiel Elliott ever get this type of positivity and being pat on the back for something like that??​

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I've been saying this all along Tony Pollard is not a true number one running back when he has to take carries on 1st and 2nd down and he's the new target for the defense, this was gonna happen and this fact is his legs are not overused, he is not Ezekiel Elliott he never has been he never will be as far as what he did in college and what Elliott did for our team you know 8200 rushing yards a ton of touchdowns, great receiving stats, you know he could be compared to some of the greats..​

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So in my opinion we should discuss this and what I think needs to happen is the coaches should limit Tony Pollard to under 18 yards of carry every game now, I know he held up but don't you want Tony Pollard to be Tony Pollard come playoff time?​

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I think the plan should be to use him less,​

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use Rico dowdle, use deuce Vaughn, use the true running back by committee to keep Tony pollard's legs fresher for the bigger game's, bigger moments, and for sure the playoffs.​

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I would like his explosiveness back and we knew this was going to happen the man should not be carrying the ball more than 15 to 18 yards a game and if he's got to run all these dirty plays and these short yardage plays, which by the way some of the red zone issues are because of the running back situation here and we miss Elliot a little bit that I think that coaches are making a mistake running this dude 25 * a game... I mean this is exactly what we thought Tony Pollard was he literally has to have one of those big long runs in order to have that lofty 5 yards per carry average everybody was bragging about well where did that go? So now you're telling me that Tony Pollard should be applauded for looking like a washed up Ezekiel Elliott?​

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Again this is not a knock on Tony Pollard,​

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I was just sitting here reading one of these Facebook stories about how Tony powers our new bell cow back he should be applauded for his efforts for 25 carries but they don't mention 3 yards per carry is a pretty weak showing for a starting running back and yet if this was Elliot they'd be talking about how he needs to be benched and cut and he's making too much money does anybody remember that Tony powers making $10 million???​

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So I think in my opinion the coaches are making a mistake here....​

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I know somebody's going to say I shouldn't be negative or winning the games blah blah blah but I'm thinking ahead I'd like Tony Pollard to get back to the way he was if he needs to get less carries then that's what we should do...​

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O'Tay

 

[conner01]

I'm not sure anyone thought he was a true #1 RB. I think most of us agreed we needed at least another quality RB to pair with him. Either way, I think he will be fine......give him some time.

I see him more like CMC type back. Get him 15 or do carries and a few pass plays.
I don’t think you need a 25 carry back in todays nfl. Use Dowdle, Duece and pollard
The jets game we ran even when it wasn’t working because MM is a smart HC. You don’t sling it all over the field when you have the lead and a top defense

 

[Eddie]

Zeke had nothing left. We should have never caved to his contract demands.

TP is a capable ball carrier ... at about 15 carries a game. Dowdle and Deuce seem like decent RB's to split the remaining carries.

We can always pick up a decent RB on the 2nd day of April's draft. For now, we go with the army we have and not the army we want.

 

[john van brocklin]

It's been a great start to the season so don't get me wrong but being a huge Ezekiel Elliott fan and getting tired of all the negativity that went towards his allegedly being washed you know how much mileage that dude has on his legs from the back-to-back 1800 yard seasons in college his 1600 yard top five rookie campaign and all the carries he got here and then he's being criticized for having 3.8 yards per carry being the number one back.....

I like Tony Pollard but let's go back and see what his last six games looks like and I can tell you this right now without even going with a calculator he finished the season last year, the last five games, he got injured twice, 3.8 yards per carry, no touchdowns, no explosive plays, 51 yards per game...hmmm​

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He's somehow being applauded for his 25 carries 75-yard output against The Jets, who have yes a very good defense our offensive lines a little banged up but when did Ezekiel Elliott ever get this type of positivity and being pat on the back for something like that??​

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I've been saying this all along Tony Pollard is not a true number one running back when he has to take carries on 1st and 2nd down and he's the new target for the defense, this was gonna happen and this fact is his legs are not overused, he is not Ezekiel Elliott he never has been he never will be as far as what he did in college and what Elliott did for our team you know 8200 rushing yards a ton of touchdowns, great receiving stats, you know he could be compared to some of the greats..​

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So in my opinion we should discuss this and what I think needs to happen is the coaches should limit Tony Pollard to under 18 yards of carry every game now, I know he held up but don't you want Tony Pollard to be Tony Pollard come playoff time?​

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I think the plan should be to use him less,​

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use Rico dowdle, use deuce Vaughn, use the true running back by committee to keep Tony pollard's legs fresher for the bigger game's, bigger moments, and for sure the playoffs.​

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I would like his explosiveness back and we knew this was going to happen the man should not be carrying the ball more than 15 to 18 yards a game and if he's got to run all these dirty plays and these short yardage plays, which by the way some of the red zone issues are because of the running back situation here and we miss Elliot a little bit that I think that coaches are making a mistake running this dude 25 * a game... I mean this is exactly what we thought Tony Pollard was he literally has to have one of those big long runs in order to have that lofty 5 yards per carry average everybody was bragging about well where did that go? So now you're telling me that Tony Pollard should be applauded for looking like a washed up Ezekiel Elliott?​

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Again this is not a knock on Tony Pollard,​

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I was just sitting here reading one of these Facebook stories about how Tony powers our new bell cow back he should be applauded for his efforts for 25 carries but they don't mention 3 yards per carry is a pretty weak showing for a starting running back and yet if this was Elliot they'd be talking about how he needs to be benched and cut and he's making too much money does anybody remember that Tony powers making $10 million???​

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So I think in my opinion the coaches are making a mistake here....​

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I know somebody's going to say I shouldn't be negative or winning the games blah blah blah but I'm thinking ahead I'd like Tony Pollard to get back to the way he was if he needs to get less carries then that's what we should do...​

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I am glad we did not sign him to a big contract

 

[DogFace]

I don't think that's negative, just the truth. Pollard is an explosive player....giving him too many carries, especially up the middle will take away from that explosiveness. It's a long season and we will need him to be fresh and healthy when we get to the playoffs.

It was a joke…he said someone’s going to say he was just being negative.

 

[DogFace]

And yet I said what I said it's all facts it's all honest if you want to debate it let's do it if not don't bother replying....

Sorry

 

[slick325]

Just win games. Worry about stats later.

I just hope he makes big plays when needed and when the opportunity arises.

 

[Ranching]

It was a joke…he said someone’s going to say he was just being negative.

My bad....

 

[tomsanders921]

It's been a great start to the season so don't get me wrong but being a huge Ezekiel Elliott fan and getting tired of all the negativity that went towards his allegedly being washed you know how much mileage that dude has on his legs from the back-to-back 1800 yard seasons in college his 1600 yard top five rookie campaign and all the carries he got here and then he's being criticized for having 3.8 yards per carry being the number one back.....

I like Tony Pollard but let's go back and see what his last six games looks like and I can tell you this right now without even going with a calculator he finished the season last year, the last five games, he got injured twice, 3.8 yards per carry, no touchdowns, no explosive plays, 51 yards per game...hmmm​

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He's somehow being applauded for his 25 carries 75-yard output against The Jets, who have yes a very good defense our offensive lines a little banged up but when did Ezekiel Elliott ever get this type of positivity and being pat on the back for something like that??​

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I've been saying this all along Tony Pollard is not a true number one running back when he has to take carries on 1st and 2nd down and he's the new target for the defense, this was gonna happen and this fact is his legs are not overused, he is not Ezekiel Elliott he never has been he never will be as far as what he did in college and what Elliott did for our team you know 8200 rushing yards a ton of touchdowns, great receiving stats, you know he could be compared to some of the greats..​

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So in my opinion we should discuss this and what I think needs to happen is the coaches should limit Tony Pollard to under 18 yards of carry every game now, I know he held up but don't you want Tony Pollard to be Tony Pollard come playoff time?​

​

I think the plan should be to use him less,​

​

use Rico dowdle, use deuce Vaughn, use the true running back by committee to keep Tony pollard's legs fresher for the bigger game's, bigger moments, and for sure the playoffs.​

​

I would like his explosiveness back and we knew this was going to happen the man should not be carrying the ball more than 15 to 18 yards a game and if he's got to run all these dirty plays and these short yardage plays, which by the way some of the red zone issues are because of the running back situation here and we miss Elliot a little bit that I think that coaches are making a mistake running this dude 25 * a game... I mean this is exactly what we thought Tony Pollard was he literally has to have one of those big long runs in order to have that lofty 5 yards per carry average everybody was bragging about well where did that go? So now you're telling me that Tony Pollard should be applauded for looking like a washed up Ezekiel Elliott?​

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Again this is not a knock on Tony Pollard,​

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I was just sitting here reading one of these Facebook stories about how Tony powers our new bell cow back he should be applauded for his efforts for 25 carries but they don't mention 3 yards per carry is a pretty weak showing for a starting running back and yet if this was Elliot they'd be talking about how he needs to be benched and cut and he's making too much money does anybody remember that Tony powers making $10 million???​

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So I think in my opinion the coaches are making a mistake here....​

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I know somebody's going to say I shouldn't be negative or winning the games blah blah blah but I'm thinking ahead I'd like Tony Pollard to get back to the way he was if he needs to get less carries then that's what we should do...​

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Zeke sucks. That's why he went unsigned for months.

Pollard is the better back, and it's not even close. But I never thought he (Pollard) was a top back in this league like most people did after last year.

If u have good blocking, damn near any RB will be successful. If you don't, very few have a chance to be successful. Just look at how teams are treating the positions in regards to contracts.

I believe this will be Pollards last year in Dallas. He will want a hefty contract and Dallas won't give it to him, nor should they.