Nors, post your henson story

[iceberg]

Funny though how Brady has 3 SB rings..gotta be something to the matter

and if not for an injury to bledsoe, would brady have started that year? the next?

 

[RCowboyFan]

Interesting read. Clearly Pro Brady but I have nothing against that. Brady is the finest QB in professional Football today, IMO. There is no shame in getting beaten out (if that is how you choose to view it) by an older, more experienced Tom Brady.

It was a good read.

Most of it is indeed good info. But clearly, anything on Henson or competition for Brady, seemed like was a hinderance and blockade for Brady according to the writer. It almost seemed like the writer thought Griese didn't deserve that starting job over Tom Brady. Griese was a good one that year, especially as the year went on.

Now I have read every article and followed Michigan closely that year, but I never read the Daily News he quotes, which is Ann Arbor Michigan Daily Student News Paper.

But what the writer fails to mention is, Brady often credits the reason why he never feels pressure, is because the pressure he faced during his battles with Henson, is what made him the type of QB that he is today.

Now I happen to also think Brady is Best QB in NFL, so in ways, I do like the article, but just didn't like digs at Henson, which were not warranted at all. From the accounts I have read, Henson earned the opportunities he got, but then each to his own views I guess.

 

[Rogerthat12]

and if not for an injury to bledsoe, would brady have started that year? the next?

Probably so because Bill B even stated back then that he loved Brady and was confident in his abilities. Yet, even still this point has nothing to do with the fact Brady has accomplished 3 SB titles in his career thus far.

There is no need to overstate the pro-Henson case by bashing Brady, thus far Henson has accomplished nothing (though I hope he does well) and Brady has three chamionships. Brady is a elite NFL qb and Henson currently is fighting for his NFL life in the scrub league.

I hope Henson lights it up but I also realize any comparison to Brady is simply foolish at this juncture. Henson needs much work and we will soon see what he may have on a base level.

 

[joseephuss]

What a lot of people forget (You Did Not) is that most people that wanted Henson starting wanted him to do so over Vinny Testaverde.

I have heard people defend BP until they are blue in the face, but there was no excuse for Vinny T to play once it became painfully obvious the Cowboys were going no where in 2004.

That was a lost year.

That applied to both Henson and Romo. I always felt that it was a great and wasted opportunity to get either one or both of them some experience. Much better than starting a guy that should not have been on any team's roster and wasn't at the start of the 2005 season.

At this point, the only experience either one gets is in NFLE, mini-camps, training camp and pre-season. Hopefully one or both make the most of it and is ready to take over next year when Bledsoe is gone. If not, then Dallas has to go out and find another young QB to take over and play at a high level. I won't mind either solution, as long as someone steps up and settles the QB position long term. I even root for Bledsoe to do that. I just don't think that is realistic. His age and average career point to him not being the guy that will be around for several years playing at a high level.

 

[gbrittain]

That applied to both Henson and Romo. I always felt that it was a great and wasted opportunity to get either one or both of them some experience. Much better than starting a guy that should not have been on any team's roster and wasn't at the start of the 2005 season.

At this point, the only experience either one gets is in NFLE, mini-camps, training camp and pre-season. Hopefully one or both make the most of it and is ready to take over next year when Bledsoe is gone. If not, then Dallas has to go out and find another young QB to take over and play at a high level. I won't mind either solution, as long as someone steps up and settles the QB position long term. I even root for Bledsoe to do that. I just don't think that is realistic. His age and average career point to him not being the guy that will be around for several years playing at a high level.

I absolutely agree with your entire post. BTW I would have been fine with either Romo or Henson starting the year that Vinny T was here. Anyone but Vinnt T should have been the motto.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Most of it is indeed good info. But clearly, anything on Henson or competition for Brady, seemed like was a hinderance and blockade for Brady according to the writer. It almost seemed like the writer thought Griese didn't deserve that starting job over Tom Brady. Griese was a good one that year, especially as the year went on.

Now I have read every article and followed Michigan closely that year, but I never read the Daily News he quotes, which is Ann Arbor Michigan Daily Student News Paper.

But what the writer fails to mention is, Brady often credits the reason why he never feels pressure, is because the pressure he faced during his battles with Henson, is what made him the type of QB that he is today.

Now I happen to also think Brady is Best QB in NFL, so in ways, I do like the article, but just didn't like digs at Henson, which were not warranted at all. From the accounts I have read, Henson earned the opportunities he got, but then each to his own views I guess.

I concure.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Obviously, some of you guys don't follow College recruiting very closely.

It's not uncommon at all for a top, elite high school player, if he's narrowed the list down of where he wants to go to college, (ESPECIALLY a QB), for that player to have an "understanding" a year or so in advance about who that college will recruit at their position. That's why in the Henson situation, Bobby Bowden also agreed to it. Bobby knows how the recruiting game is played when you are dealing with the top players. It's just the nature of the game and Henson was the USA Today National Player of the Year. It's not that big of a deal.

Sometimes it can hurt a program if a player doesn't pan out, but that's the risk you have to run sometimes to assure yourself of getting the player.

Henson has proven repeatedly he's NOT a primma donna. He's handled his high profile situation with the Cowboys with class and dignity and always said the right things. He's working hard to recapture what he used to have and how any Cowboy fan could not appreciate that is beyond me.

He may not be able to recapture it, but it won't be because of lack of effort or because he expected the job to be handed to him.

 

[iceberg]

Probably so because Bill B even stated back then that he loved Brady and was confident in his abilities. Yet, even still this point has nothing to do with the fact Brady has accomplished 3 SB titles in his career thus far.

There is no need to overstate the pro-Henson case by bashing Brady, thus far Henson has accomplished nothing (though I hope he does well) and Brady has three chamionships. Brady is a elite NFL qb and Henson currently is fighting for his NFL life in the scrub league.

I hope Henson lights it up but I also realize any comparison to Brady is simply foolish at this juncture. Henson needs much work and we will soon see what he may have on a base level.

can't really argue with that. henson does have to step up and show he can play. those of us in his "camp" would just like to see him get some opportunities. nfle isn't what many of us had in mind but if that's what it takes, then go and get reps in, ya know?

fyi - not bashing brady at all - the man has proven beyond a shadow of a doubt the player he is. just comparing he got his shot when if we went by BillP talk, he'd be on the bench and drew would have stayed on the field, barring injury.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

What a lot of people forget (You Did Not) is that most people that wanted Henson starting wanted him to do so over Vinny Testaverde.

I have heard people defend BP until they are blue in the face, but there was no excuse for Vinny T to play once it became painfully obvious the Cowboys were going no where in 2004.

That was a lost year.

I dont get that thinking. A lost year for who? This is PRO football. Henson had next to no real time football experience. It amazes me to no end how some fans think you can just walk into the NFL of the street, especially at the QB posistion and you should be playing. Garbage time or not there is no way in the world he should have seen the field. When he did for thirty minutes he looked, well like a guy who hasnt played in years.

He didnt earn the number two slot last season but should have played two years ago? I highly doubt any coach with any sense would have put Henson on the field in 2004.

Hes a project. Hopefully it works out, but thats what he is.
Im glad he was afforded the time he has been to develop. Twice the Cowboys have reached and rushed QBs and twice its failed.

Why do it a third time?

 

[Jarv]

Interesting article, very pro Brady, which is fine. Brady is a top notch QB, seems like a good guy too.

Funny thing is, one of the biggest Pro-Henson write ups I ever read...was written by....

Tom Brady.

Could be just because they were teamates, fellow Mich. players at el. But Brady in the article I read (right around when we picked up Henson) really spoke well of Henson and his future in the NFL.

One more thing, there is a lot of talk about the "Hype" of Henson. Well, were did the "Hype" come from ? He must have shown something to get that "Hype"?

Its not like he's a Manning and he got the "Hype" from a name, he has a normal name I guess

The "Hype" came from the ability he has shown.

The article is cool and all. Looks accurate from a game by game perspective of stats and teams played against. Someone put a lot of time and effort into it. But the writer seems to have an agenda against Griese and Henson...Those that competed with his hero...So it is what it is.

If you'll respect tom Brady so much, then listen to what he says about Henson.

 

[Jarv]

I dont get that thinking. A lost year for who? This is PRO football. Henson had next to no real time football experience. It amazes me to no end how some fans think you can just walk into the NFL of the street, especially at the QB posistion and you should be playing. Garbage time or not there is no way in the world he should have seen the field. When he did for thirty minutes he looked, well like a guy who hasnt played in years.

He didnt earn the number two slot last season but should have played two years ago? I highly doubt any coach with any sense would have put Henson on the field in 2004.

Hes a project. Hopefully it works out, but thats what he is.
Im glad he was afforded the time he has been to develop. Twice the Cowboys have reached and rushed QBs and twice its failed.

Why do it a third time?

Two years ago he was the backup, that is why he came in for an injured Vinny and started the next game. By the way, as a rookie complete 55.6% of his pass's and got a 61.8 QB rating, what was Eli's and Ben's after their 1st game ?

That is when Romo was the 3rd QB...

Or Romo would have come in for the Injured VT and started against Chicago.

Henson and Romo have been flip flopping 2nd and 3rd QB on this team.

Henson is now getting extra work, as he asked for. Shows me that he wants to keep on working on getting the repititions he needs to become better and better. NFLE...Its all good.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Interesting article, very pro Brady, which is fine. Brady is a top notch QB, seems like a good guy too.

Funny thing is, one of the biggest Pro-Henson write ups I ever read...was written by....

Tom Brady.

Could be just because they were teamates, fellow Mich. players at el. But Brady in the article I read (right around when we picked up Henson) really spoke well of Henson and his future in the NFL.

One more thing, there is a lot of talk about the "Hype" of Henson. Well, were did the "Hype" come from ? He must have shown something to get that "Hype"?

Its not like he's a Manning and he got the "Hype" from a name, he has a normal name I guess

The "Hype" came from the ability he has shown.

The article is cool and all. Looks accurate from a game by game perspective of stats and teams played against. Someone put a lot of time and effort into it. But the writer seems to have an agenda against Griese and Henson...Those that competed with his hero...So it is what it is.

If you'll respect tom Brady so much, then listen to what he says about Henson.

Good post. Great point about if you want to praise Brady, listen to what he says about Henson.

I recall a post over at one of the other Cowboy boards last year from a guy who was a Cowboy fan and a professional photographer. He posted and said that day he did a photo shoot with Brady and McNabb for the "Got Milk?" ad campaign and he had a chance to talk to Brady about his thoughts on Henson's return to the NFL.

He said Brady was very complimentary of Henson and said that once the "game slows down for him, which it will" Henson would be a great QB in this league. He said you could tell Brady wasn't just saying it, he really respected Henson and said what a great guy he was and how much talent he had.

What was hilarious about the thread was that a guy came back and challenged the poster claiming he made it up and the original poster came back and posted scanned shots of the photo shoot showing Brady, McNabb and some other people. There was even one shot of a picture the poster took with himself in the picture with Brady and McNabb.

It was hilarious because the guy who posted the Brady story shut the other poster up as good as I have ever seen on a message board! :laugh2:

 

[Rogerthat12]

can't really argue with that. henson does have to step up and show he can play. those of us in his "camp" would just like to see him get some opportunities. nfle isn't what many of us had in mind but if that's what it takes, then go and get reps in, ya know?

fyi - not bashing brady at all - the man has proven beyond a shadow of a doubt the player he is. just comparing he got his shot when if we went by BillP talk, he'd be on the bench and drew would have stayed on the field, barring injury.

Then we actually agree on the subject and I agree that BP should have played Henson in 2004 to be sure. NFLE is not the best way to gain helpful experience as a NFL qb with starting hope but for now it is the only way for Henson to show us what he has indeed. Others have made it happen there though being few so lets hold out hope for the fella that somehow he can make it happen.

I guess my point is that we need not diminish or overstate a case with regard to Brady to ground why Henson has struggled and Brady has not. Not saying that you necessarily did this but others have started this to offer corrective to the overstatement the other way.
I think it is perfectly fine just to say Brady is an elite Qb at the NFL level and Henson has all the tools but has much to prove.

They are different players that took different paths so Henson does need more time to develop but Henson has the burden of proof now on what type of NFL qb he can be and not Tom Brady. Though he should of been given more NFL opportunities (2004) that may have assisted him in his development.

 

[Nors]

Yes, I did. How many posts since that 1 post have I said Bledsoe is the starter? It is easily in the dozens of posts. What I said about Bledsoe was before he was even released. You expect me to apologize for wanting Henson to succeed. I won't. Ever.

You're attempted to have that 1 post brand me for months and months. At the same time you dismiss when you say one thing and then reverse field completely later. Or have you forgotten Stanley Spadowski schooling you on your assessment of Kiwi and his ability to play the 3-4? In your world every poster is branded by what they say 2 years ago, but you are free to change your mind. Hypocrisy is often hilarious. This is just such a time.

It sure explains why welching on a friendly bet is predictable for you. Did I say integrity? I believe I did.

Can you show me where I have ever not backed Bledsoe as the starter? The answer, of course, is no you can't. The closest you can get to any "hate" I have for Bledsoe (yes, you have characterized me as a hater of him) is that I do not think he is a sure fire Hall of Famer, yet.

The fact of the matter is your dislike of Henson is hypocritical because you do not post the same vitriol for Tony Romo, who has even less experience. Maybe it's because Romo didn't play for the Yankess. I have no idea. It doesn't change the fact that you point out non stop every flaw you perceive in one guy and none in the other.

There is no way on this earth that you can tell me that if Romo were in NFLE on the Rhein Fire instead of Henson that you'd be pulling for Timmy Chang, a freaking Eagle, over him. Yet that is exactly what you portray here every day. That you secretly hope Chang takes that job.

And you wonder why you catch grief from fellow Cowboys fans. Rooting for the Patriots is bad enough. Rooting for the Eagles is flat out disgusting.

Characterizing yourself as only posting Romo over Henson as backup is not true, and you know it. Or maybe I shouldn't assume you do. Probably safer since your story changes daily with the direction of the wind.

Dude - lighten up
Did you read the article? Some very good things said on Henson by many in it and some background on what Brady lived through. Seriously, read it.

You said that about Bledsoe? Wow - I was poking fun at Miki! I'll have to edit it to "two posters":

 

[Nors]

I know Brady is a great QB, as a matter of fact I believe him to be the best QB in the NFL.

There is one thing that bothers me about your statement though. You might know more about this than me and clear it up for me, but what exactly did anyone think of Tom Brady before Drew Bledsoe got injured?

For all we know had Bledsoe not gotten hurt Brady could have just been rotting away as Bledsoe's back up for several years (The years of their Superbowl runs).

Also look at Ben R in Pittsburgh. His rookie year he was not supposed to start. Tommy Maddox was the starter and Pittsburgh had put their hopes in Tommy for that year. As a matter of fact I vaguely remember one of the Pittsburgh offensive lineman going off in the media about having to rely on a rookie.

Of course once Ben R took the reign he never lost a game until the AFC Championship game and we all know what happened this year.

I guess the point I am trying to make is sometimes there are very talented QBs sitting on the bench accomplishing nothing because the Head Coach does not realize what he has. Needless to say even coaches who have won four of the last five Superbowls between them had their depth chart wrong and the only way the were able to see the error of their ways is due to an injury.

gbritt - EXCELLENT Point on the Brady/Bledsoe QB competition of 2001. I have another few things archived that would blow Norsinh8trs heads up like a pumpkin microwaved.

I'll let them digest the details of the Henson/Brady years first before we move forward too fast. Trust me - its good stuff!!!!!! BLedstud is not a phrase coined/originated on these boards 2005/06

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

gbritt - EXCELLENT Point on the Brady/Bledsoe QB competition of 2001. I have another few things archived that would blow Norsinh8trs heads up like a pumpkin microwaved.

I'll let them digest the details of the Henson/Brady years first before we move forward too fast. Trust me - its good stuff!!!!!! BLedstud is not a phrase coined/originated on these boards 2005/06

Norsinh8trs?

Self Deprecation needs work Nors.

 

[Nors]

Interesting read. Clearly Pro Brady but I have nothing against that. Brady is the finest QB in professional Football today, IMO. There is no shame in getting beaten out (if that is how you choose to view it) by an older, more experienced Tom Brady.

It was a good read.

abq - thanks for taking the time to read it.

Yes biased to Brady but a nice summary year by year on the plyer and the Michigan years.

What is striking about Brady is his Leadership skills. He just is very comfortable in his role. He wants to be there and has produced and won at all levels - against candidly more talented QB's along the way. That is half astatement at Bledsoe and Henson.....

His teamates believe in him, his toughness, his - yes "It". He has it - wish there was an easy button for that. And that "it" is what Henson needs to find. At every stop Henson has underperformed all his talent. Why? Intangibles have to be in play here.

Parcells, Bellicheck they know "it" when they see it.

HMO - They send a Davey/Henson/Hutchinson to NFLe as a last chance to see if the player can find "it". I'm hoping he finds what he is looking for.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

abq - thanks for taking the time to read it.

Yes biased to Brady but a nice summary year by year on the plyer and the Michigan years.

What is striking about Brady is his Leadership skills. He just is very comfortable in his role. He wants to be there and has produced and won at all levels - against candidly more talented QB's along the way. That is half astatement at Bledsoe and Henson.....

His teamates believe in him, his toughness, his - yes "It". He has it - wish there was an easy button for that. And that "it" is what Henson needs to find. At every stop Henson has underperformed all his talent. Why? Intangibles have to be in play here.

Parcells, Bellicheck they know "it" when they see it.

HMO - They send a Davey/Henson/Hutchinson to NFLe as a last chance to see if the player can find "it". I'm hoping he finds what he is looking for.

NP. I thought it was a bit one sided but it was an enjoyable read, to me, because I like Brady. I too hope Henson makes the grade but if he doesn't, he doesn't. Romo is there and he too will have his chance. Interesting that Griese may be available soon. I thought that we should have brought him in when he left Denver a few years ago. I would not mind signing him a cutting lose on the odd man out between Romo and Henson. It would at least give us two vet QBs with experience.

 

[EveryoneElse]

Who cares? The whole love/hate Henson thing is kinda not very interesting. He hasn't proven he can or can't play.

Anyone who says the guy CAN'T play has no idea what he's talking about.

Anyone who says he CAN play has no idea what he's talking about.

No one knows either way.

There should be hope from each and every Cowboy fan, I mean, we gave up a third rounder for him.

If you want to know who is more interested in the TEAMS success, just insert an "I hope" before every comment about Henson.

ex:

Henson can't play.

Henson can play.

Insert the "I hope"

I hope Henson Can't play

I hope Henson can play.

Very simple.......

Agendas are out there.

 

[EveryoneElse]

Parcells, Bellicheck they know "it" when they see it.

Brady being drafted was nothing more than an accident.