Nors, post your henson story

[gbrittain]

Yes, and who's to say that Bledsoe wouldn't have gone on to have the same success as Tom Brady? After all, the trademark of the Pats dynasty was impeccable coaching, gritty defense, rock solid special teams, and an offense that knew how to pick their spots in the passing game. Even if Brady never saw the field during the regular season, Brady's talent would have been discovered in training camp and the preseason by somebody. The bottom line is he's an aberration, and you likely won't see many QB's who are drafted in the 6th round have that type of career ever again. He just happened to be in the right place at the right time when Bledsoe got hurt.

As for Big Ben, that's a whole different story. He was drafted in the top 15 of the 1st round, his time was going to come sooner than later no matter what Maddox did...similar to the whole Eli Manning/Kurt Warner debacle in NY in 2004. In fact even before he got hurt, there were questions as to how long he would have stayed in the starting lineup with a #1 draft pick waiting in the wings. Going even further, you can argue that Big Ben's success was the result of rock solid system in pittsburgh based on a physical, dominating defense and a smash mouth running game. Big Ben may have a ring on his finger, but his 22 QB rating isn't the reason he won it....

I really do not get the point of your post. What are you agreeing/disagreeing with?

The one thing I did understand loud and clear is the part about Ben R. Sure he was a top pick and was going to start eventually, but these are the facts:

1. Bill Cowher determined that it was in Pittsburgh's best interest to go with Tommy Maddox during Ben Rs rookie season.

2. Ben R proved Bill Cowher wrong.

 

[Nors]

You couldn't be any more delusional.

How did their offense get to be ranked 6th, 12th, and 4th the years they won the Super Bowl?

Let me guess? Burschi and Viantieri?

Someone was throwing the ball to Branch when he won MVP.

I like Bledsoe but you ask 32 GM's and every scout in the league and they'll tell you Brady is 1000x the QB Bledsoe is.

IF both go to HOF one is going in on winning, leadership....

The other is going in on fantasy #'s.

You don't need to call the man delusional. The Pats defense was also ranked 6, 2, & 1 in their 3 Super Bowl years. That was a big factor also in the SB dynasty run and a fair observation by BledMVP.

 

[gbrittain]

You don't need to call the man delusional. The Pats defense was also ranked 6, 2, & 1 in their 3 Super Bowl years. That was a big factor also in the SB dynasty run and a fair observation by the King.

Perhaps delusional is not the word, but what do you think the poster in question would be saying about Drew Bledsoe if he had been the QB during the Patriots 3 Superbowl victories?

If you are being honest Nors, I think you would agree that poster would be singing a different tune.

No matter how great a coach BB is and their defense was Tom Brady was integral part of the Championship run. No use trying to diminish his accomplishments and I am quite sure you would agree with that as well.

 

[iceberg]

Perhaps delusional is not the word, but what do you think the poster in question would be saying about Drew Bledsoe if he had been the QB during the Patriots 3 Superbowl victories?

If you are being honest Nors, I think you would agree that poster would be singing a different tune.

No matter how great a coach BB is and their defense was Tom Brady was integral part of the Championship run. No use trying to diminish his accomplishments and I am quite sure you would agree with that as well.

put shortly, nors and bledboy are speculating "drew could have done that too!" and that's fine. but they won't allow speculation that henson may be the better choice.

 

[Nors]

Perhaps delusional is not the word, but what do you think the poster in question would be saying about Drew Bledsoe if he had been the QB during the Patriots 3 Superbowl victories?

If you are being honest Nors, I think you would agree that poster would be singing a different tune.

No matter how great a coach BB is and their defense was Tom Brady was integral part of the Championship run. No use trying to diminish his accomplishments and I am quite sure you would agree with that as well.

I agree - Brady unquestioned was integral to SB Run. Not only that - having watched him over the years he is truly amazing at what he does. I think a lot of his leadership traits showed through in the Michigan link I posted - he has "it"

 

[Rush 2112]

Yes, I'm the only one that cares if a HOF QB has a SB trophy or not.

I'm the first person to ever broach that conversation I guess.

No, wait....we just had the convo re Moon a few months back.

Brady is far and away a better leader than Bledsoe.

Hands down.

Please not the # of teams that haven't cut Brady.

Of the other fantasy stat QB's you posted how many times did Kelly and Marino get cut?

What kind of guy gets cut?

What do expendable mean?

Most important position on the field?

QB maybe?

Cut twice.

Explain in detail the difference between Bledsoe's and Hutch's internal clock?

 

[Rush 2112]

I agree - Brady unquestioned was integral to SB Run. Not only that - having watched him over the years he is truly amazing at what he does. I think a lot of his leadership traits showed through in the Michigan link I posted - he has "it"

Correct, he does. Bledsoe isn't even close to having it.

And that is coming from a guy who somewhat likes him and knows he's the starter for the next 1-3 years.

Arm = Aikman
Clock = Hutch

Yes I'd take a 3 for Henson and the pretend 2 we were offered for Romo.

Jets: "We loved the way Romo looked against Northern Iowa in 2001. Can we hypothetically give you a 2 for him."

BP: "I don't deal in hypotheticals."

 

[Bledsoe4MVP]

Perhaps delusional is not the word, but what do you think the poster in question would be saying about Drew Bledsoe if he had been the QB during the Patriots 3 Superbowl victories?

If you are being honest Nors, I think you would agree that poster would be singing a different tune.

No matter how great a coach BB is and their defense was Tom Brady was integral part of the Championship run. No use trying to diminish his accomplishments and I am quite sure you would agree with that as well.

You don't have to refer to me as 'the poster in question'. I know where this is going, look all Drewpisms and Bledsoe hype aside.....the bottom line is the pats success was based on coaching and defense first, and Tom Brady was in the right place at the right time. Does this mean he's the product of a 'system'..perhaps, but he's the top guy in the game right now and I've never said otherwise. Would I love to gloat if Drew had won 3 superbowls, absolutely, but then again we wouldn't have him on our team right now had that been the case.

Tom Brady is a great QB, and if he can win a title or two later in his career or more importantly do it without bill bellechek....than I will consider him the greatest QB of all time, maybe the greast professional athlete of all time for that matter.

 

[Bledsoe4MVP]

Yes, I'm the only one that cares if a HOF QB has a SB trophy or not.

I'm the first person to ever broach that conversation I guess.

No, wait....we just had the convo re Moon a few months back.

Brady is far and away a better leader than Bledsoe.

Hands down.

Please not the # of teams that haven't cut Brady.

Of the other fantasy stat QB's you posted how many times did Kelly and Marino get cut?

What kind of guy gets cut?

What do expendable mean?

Most important position on the field?

QB maybe?

Cut twice.

Explain in detail the difference between Bledsoe's and Hutch's internal clock?

Your making little sense here, and your blatant agenda is clearly visible. Have you not listened to a thing I've said, I read your posts and respect your opinions like i do every other user on this board, the least you can do is give me the same courtesy.

Now, why did Drew get cut twice as you put it?....well lets see, considering new england won a superbowl with Tom Brady and Drew had a 100 million dollar contract, the front office did the right thing by TRADING him and picking up a 1st rounder from buffalo.....so how does that equate to being cut? Furthermore as I stated, Tom Brady is the best QB in the NFL, Drew Bledsoe is near the top as well, why would NE want to keep a 100 million dollar back up and deny him the right to start elseware, he gave his all for the franchise for 8 years? Pioli and Bob Craft gave him exactly what he deserved and let him out.....

Now moving on to Buffalo, I have beat this to death not only on this message board, but on Bills message boards as well....the man was a victim of Tom Donahoe's shoddy dealings and most bills fans would kill to have drew back right about now. He brings the guy in, the city throws a god dam parade, he shatters franchise records his first season there, and how do they reward him? By getting rid of 50% off his offense the following year and failing to upgrade the offensive line. Instead Donablow invest sall the free money they had on overrated defensive players and 2nd & 3rd tier offensive free agents. How can you fire a gun with no bullets in the chamber?

Going even further, after a bad 2003 season, this toolshed drafts JP Losman and makes drew a lame duck for all intensive purposes. In 2004 the bills were horrible out of the gates, then Drew led them to 6 straight must win victories to keep the season alive and the fans excited (but yet you say he isn't a leader). So then the last game of the year the Team drops an egg against the steelers back ups in a meaningless game for them because they had homefield wrapped up, how is drew rewarded afterward? By being the made the scapegoat for Donablows failures...which ultimately bought him one more year. Drew laughed at the idea of taking a pay cut to be losman's 'back up'

We all know what happened this year in dallas and in buffalo, this is why Tom Donahoe is unemployed right now. And I couldn't be more happy that Drew was expendable and cut from his previous two employers.

 

[iceberg]

Your making little sense here, and your blatant agenda is clearly visible.

says the man with more manlove than a SF gay rights convention for drew.

 

[Rush 2112]

Oh yes, I'm running one of those guys who somewhat like Bledsoe and thinks he'll be the starter for the next 1-3 years agendas.

Didn't you guys know that if you don't have kneepads with the #11 on them you have an agenda against the guy.

 

[EveryoneElse]

If not for the stellar draft history of Pioli and Bellicheck I might agree with you.

I'm sure they knew what they were drafting in the 6th round when they selected Tom Brady.

If they knew he was a franchise type guy(like your trying to convince me and everyone else)....they never would have waited that long to draft him.

He was nothing more than a shot in the dark, Developmental, throw a dart and wherever it lands pick. They won the race, but had no inside info.

 

[felix360]

just read it, good read, very interesting, I have just one question, what exactly did Henson do his final year at Michigan that had people drooling over him. from what i read he played ONE year of a full college season and then bolted to the yankees for the money. Please can someone help me figure this one out??

 

[TNCowboy]

Please can someone help me figure this one out??

Joel Buchsbaum said he polled 10 GMs in 2001 and 7 of the 10 preferred Henson to Michael Vick. I'm not sure what's so hard to figure out.

Of course, everyone should be skeptical of Henson until he proves himself, but it's laughable how some want to throw him away without seeing what we've got, especially considering he was out of football for 3 years.



Here's Henson's bio from NFLE:

Spent three years playing football for the Michigan Wolverines, completing 214 of 374 passes for 2,946 yards and 24 touchdowns
• Set the school record for lowest career interception percentage (1.87)
• In his final junior campaign in 2000, Henson earned honorable mention All-Big Ten honors after completing 146 of 237 passes for 2,146 yards, 18 touchdowns and 4 interceptions
• Led the conference in pass efficiency rating (159.4) and finished second in passing (238.4 yards-per-game)
• His passer rating was the fifth-best in school history and his 18 scoring tosses were fourth-most in Michigan history
• Led Michigan past Auburn in the Florida Citrus Bowl to close out his college career, completing 15 of 20 passes for 294 yards and 2 touchdowns
• Earned academic All-Big Ten honors as a sophomore while seeing action in 10 of 12 games backing up current New England Patriots and two-time Super Bowl MVP quarterback Tom Brady
• The duo guided Michigan to a 10-2 record and a top five ranking in the final Associated Press poll
• Completed 47 of 90 passes for 546 yards, 3 touchdowns and 2 interceptions
• Also scored a rushing touchdown and caught a 23-yard pass
• As a freshman, Henson saw action in eight games and completed 21 of 47 passes for 254 yards, 3 scores and 1 interception.

 

[Nors]

Yes, I'm the only one that cares if a HOF QB has a SB trophy or not.

TED WILLIAMS HAS NO WORLD SERIES TROPHIES BUT CAN HIT
I'm the first person to ever broach that conversation I guess.

No, wait....we just had the convo re Moon a few months back.

CORRECT - MOON ELECTED INTO HALL OF FAME

Brady is far and away a better leader than Bledsoe.
Hands down.

YES, DOESN'T MAKE BLEDSOE A BAD LEADER. HE'S WON 2 AFC CHAMP GAMES AND ENGINEERED 30+ 4TH QTR COMEBACKS



Please not the # of teams that haven't cut Brady.
Of the other fantasy stat QB's you posted how many times did Kelly and Marino get cut?

CUT/TRADED? FAVRE, MONTANA, YOUNG, ELWAY,TARK, BLANDA, UNITAS, MOON, STABLER,NAMATH, BLEDSOE

What kind of guy gets cut?

OLDER VETERANS THAT HAVE COMMANDED AND SIGNED HUGE CONTRACTS - BLEDSOE, EMMITT, MONTANA, LOTT, OJ, GLOVER, BRUCE SMITH, DEION, REGGIE WHITE, CHRIS CARTER, MOSS, SEAU,ROD WOODSON, WALLS, SHARPE, EDGE, CURTIS MARTIN, RICE, ROMANOWSKI, HALEY,TY LAW,HARRISON, DILLON, MARCUS ALLEN,RIGGINS,LOFTON, FAVRE TONIGHT? ETC

What do expendable mean?

Most important position on the field?

QB maybe?

YES BUT THIS IS A TEAM SPORT

Cut twice.
BLEDMVP NAILED THIS - TRADED FOR #1 PICK, CUT WAS A DISASTER FOR BILLS WHO WENT WITH #1 PICK TURNED BUST
Explain in detail the difference between Bledsoe's and Hutch's internal clock?

HUTCH IS OUT OF FOOTBALL AND JAG - ONE OF 50 QB'S THAT ROUTINELY ARE IN AND OUT OF FOOTBALL IN LESS THAN 3 YEARS. NFLe BORDERLINE TALENT -- NO COMPARISON TO 50,000 YARD #1 OVERALL PICK & PRO BOWLER QB BLEDSOE.

 

[joseephuss]

Anything is possible, however when you look at the bigger picture, it was bellechek's complex defensive schemes that carried this team. It don't matter who the QB was, it had nothing to do with styming the great offensive teams the likes of the colts, raiders, titans and steelers in the playoffs during their memorable dynasty run the last 4+ years.

Also going back to 2001.....the Pats started 0-2 with Bledsoe. They lost a tight game on opening day at cinnicinati, a game in which at least statisically Bledsoe played fairly well. The next week was the infamous game at the meadowlands when Drew got hurt by Mo Lewis and didn't even finish the game....enter Tom Brady, the Pats were 1-3, 2-3, 3-4, and ultimately 5-5 before they ran the table and won it all, lets not forget the infamous 'tuck rule' as well. I guess my point with this is that it serves as concrete proof that the pats success(at least with their first championship) was a TEAM effort, and they didn't gel as a TEAM until 10 games into the 2001 season.

Wow, that seems to be a change in your opinion. You and Nors both seem to think that Bledsoe single-handedly won the AFC championship game in 2001 for the Pats.

 

[Nors]

Wow, that seems to be a change in your opinion. You and Nors both seem to think that Bledsoe single-handedly won the AFC championship game in 2001 for the Pats.

NO - BUT FAIR IS FAIR.


Brady gets all the credit for 3 SB's. Roth 15 years from now will get credit for 1 despite a 22 rating in game.

I saw that Pats game - Bledsoe drove Pats field and threw a dart to Patton in back of endzone to get Pats going. He also played the Vet in 2nd half and ran clock out on Steelers to win game. Remember that clutch 3rd down lob pass to flats in 4th????????


Enough on our current starter - this is a story on Henson/Brady and 1998/1999 Michigan years.

 

[Hostile]

Dude - lighten up
Did you read the article? Some very good things said on Henson by many in it and some background on what Brady lived through. Seriously, read it.

You said that about Bledsoe? Wow - I was poking fun at Miki! I'll have to edit it to "two posters":

No, you know as well as I do that MW has never been on the Bledsoe bandwagon. You've brought up that post from February 2004 by me more than once.

Yes, I read the article. Long before you posted it here. I don't see it as a Henson article. It's a Tom Brady article that mentions Drew Henson. It didn't tell me much of anything that I haven't heard before.

Lighten up? This coming from the guy who considers it an attack when people disagree with him? As a great man once said, "Physician, heal thyself." Translation, take your own advice. I joke around with you 99% of the time and you've got a major complex about it.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Are you trying to get bathroom humor by the filter?

Yes Nors, that's it. Having said that, it still needs work.

 

[gbrittain]

You don't have to refer to me as 'the poster in question'. I know where this is going, look all Drewpisms and Bledsoe hype aside.....the bottom line is the pats success was based on coaching and defense first, and Tom Brady was in the right place at the right time. Does this mean he's the product of a 'system'..perhaps, but he's the top guy in the game right now and I've never said otherwise. Would I love to gloat if Drew had won 3 superbowls, absolutely, but then again we wouldn't have him on our team right now had that been the case.

Tom Brady is a great QB, and if he can win a title or two later in his career or more importantly do it without bill bellechek....than I will consider him the greatest QB of all time, maybe the greast professional athlete of all time for that matter.

Would I love to gloat if Drew had won 3 superbowls, absolutely

I will give you credit for at least being honest.