North vs South Senior Bowl Game Thread

[burmafrd]

getting schooled by a top player is no real disgrace. Its how you look doing it (or should I say not doing it) that really matters. If you look off balance and slow, that is NOT a good sign.

 

[dwmyers]

Pick. North D has owned this game.

 

[WoodysGirl]

This game has never been " pretty ". You have what ? 100 players ? where most of them come from different system trying to get together under a particulary NFL team pro system and they must do it in less than 1 week worth of practices.

What fans should take out of this game is a glimpse of how players " could " perform in game conditions. Scouts and GMs don't pay attention to it because they get very little out of it. THey've gotten most of their info during the week's practices, which is more indicative than the game.

Again, what I've seen today has been some pretty poor individual play which has led to an awful game.

Inaccurate QB throws. Balls hitting players in the bread basket and they're dropping them. Fumbles all over the place. That's just a start.

 

[Muhast]

getting schooled by a top player is no real disgrace. Its how you look doing it (or should I say not doing it) that really matters. If you look off balance and slow, that is NOT a good sign.

Well when your playing in a game full of future NFL players and struggling with them, it kind of gives the impression you will most likely also struggle with seasoned pros.

 

[Randy White]

You can't be for real....

Pay attention to the game instead of what YOU want to see.

THE perfect example, one of many, I might add, is when someone in here criticized him because he got " pushed back " on the 4th and 1 loss..

Ehem:

IT WAS A PASS PLAY..

OF course he's going to give up ground. That's what you do when you're, uh.. oh, I don't know: PASS BLOCKING ?

It's the typical shorsighted from people who think they know what they're talking about.

 

[Bluestang]

This game has never been " pretty ". You have what ? 100 players ? where most of them come from different system trying to get together under a particulary NFL team pro system and they must do it in less than 1 week worth of practices.

What fans should take out of this game is a glimpse of how players " could " perform in game conditions. Scouts and GMs don't pay attention to it because they get very little out of it. THey've gotten most of their info during the week's practices, which is more indicative than the game.

On the other side of that coin scouts, coaches and GMs like to see how guys perform at "game speed" too. Too many times everybody has seen the practice warriors and it never translates to the field - i.e. Marty B.

 

[Randy White]

Again, what I've seen today has been some pretty poor individual play which has led to an awful game.

Inaccurate QB throws. Balls hitting players in the bread basket and they're dropping them. Fumbles all over the place. That's just a start.

And, once again, it's understandable. You're not going to see a well played football game by people who have been together less than week. This game has never been pretty. None of them ( from the original Blue and Grey Schriners, before they were changed to East/West, to this one, to the now defunct North and South All Stars in Hawaii ) have ever been pretty.

 

[dwmyers]

Graham = MVP. How many times has that happened, DE as Sr Bowl MVP?

 

[Randy White]

On the other side of that coin scouts, coaches and GMs like to see how guys perform at "game speed" too. Too many times everybody has seen the practice warriors and it never translates to the field - i.e. Marty B.

NO, they DON'T.. They NEVER have. That's why they don't stick around for the game itself.

They already have a pretty good idea on how they perform " game speed ". They've known for most of the year when they visit the teams' facilities and watch their game films.

 

[Bluestang]

Pay attention to the game instead of what YOU want to see.

THE perfect example, one of many, I might add, is when someone in here criticized him because he got " pushed back " on the 4th and 1 loss..

Ehem:

IT WAS A PASS PLAY..

OF course he's going to give up ground. That's what you do when you're, uh.. oh, I don't know: PASS BLOCKING ?

It's the typical shorsighted from people who think they know what they're talking about.

My problem with Iupati is that he holds and has no punch. He's not verstatile like everyone thought he would be. He proved that in practice and in this game. He'll be a second round or third.

 

[Randy White]

I see alot of holding in his game, he has no "punch" with his hands which is sad to see because he has some long arms. Iupati is coachable but his draft status is gonna fall after this game for sure.

Sure thing, Mel..

 

[Bluestang]

NO, they DON'T.. They NEVER have. That's why they don't stick around for the game itself.

They already have a pretty good idea on how they perform " game speed ". They've known for most of the year when they visit the teams' facilities and watch their game films.

I guess you know everything about the scouting process.

 

[AdamJT13]

Graham = MVP. How many times has that happened, DE as Sr Bowl MVP?

Derrick Brooks in 1995 was the last defensive player to be the Senior Bowl MVP.

Here are all of the scores and MVPs before this year. They don't list the MVP's position before 1994, though --


2009 South 35, North 18 Pat White, QB, West Virginia
2008 South 17, North 16 Matt Forte, RB, Tulane
2007 North 27, South 0 Tony Hunt, RB, Penn State
2006 North 31, South 14 Sinorice Moss, WR, Miami
2005 North 23, South 13 Charlie Frye, QB, Akron
2004 South 28, North 10 Philip Rivers, QB, North Carolina State
2003 North 17, South 0 Larry Johnson, RB, Penn State
2002 South 41, North 26 Antwaan Randle El, WR/QB, Indiana
2001 South 21, North 16 LaDainian Tomlinson, RB, TCU
2000 North 24, South 21 Chad Pennington, QB, Marshall
1999 South 31, North 21 Cade McNown, QB, UCLA
1998 South 31, North 8 Dameyune Craig, QB, Auburn
1997 North 35, South 14 Pat Barnes, QB, California
1996 North 25, South 10 Bobby Hoying, QB, Ohio State
1995 South 14, North 7 Derrick Brooks, LB, Florida State
1994 South 35, North 32 Stan White, QB, Auburn
1993 NFC 21, AFC 6 Eric Hunter, Purdue
1992 AFC 13, NFC 10 Tony Smith, Southern Miss
1991 AFC, 38, NFC 28 Alvin Harper, Tennessee
1990 North 41, South 0 Blair Thomas, Penn State
1989 South 13, North 12 Cleveland Gary, Miami
1988 North 21, South 7 Thurman Thomas, Oklahoma St.
1987 South 42, North 38 Don Smith, Mississippi State
1986 North 31, South 17 Napoleon McCallum, Navy
1985 South 23, North 7 Paul Ott Carruth, Alabama
1984 South 21, North 20 Walter Lewis, Alabama / Doug Smith, Auburn
1983 North 14, South 6 Dan Marino, Pitt / Terry Kinard, Clemson
1982 South 27, North 10 John Fourcade, Ole Miss / Steve Clark, Utah
1981 North 23, South 10 Neil Lomax, Portland State
1980 North 57, South 3 Marc Wilson, Brigham Young
1979 South 41, North 21 Willie Jones, Florida St.
1978 North 17, South 17 James Lofton, Stanford
1977 North 27, South 24 Tommy Kramer, Rice
1976 North 42, South 35 Craig Penrose, San Diego St.
1975 North 17, South 17 Steve Bartkowski, California
1974 North 16, South 13 Bill Kollar, Montana State
1973 South 33, North 30 Chuck Foreman, Miami
1972 North 26, South 21 Pat Sullivan, Auburn
1971 North 31, South 13 J. D. Hill, Arizona State
1970 North 37, South 37 Terry Bradshaw, La. Tech
1969 North 27, South 16 Jerry Levias, SMU
1968 South 24, North 21 Kim Hammond, Florida State
1967 North 35, South 13 Bubba Smith, Michigan State
1966 South 27, North 18 Howard Twilley, Tulsa
1965 North 7, South 7 Steve DeLong, Tennessee
1964 South 28, North 21 Ode Burrell, Mississippi State
1963 South 33, North 27 Glynn Griffing, Ole Miss
1962 South 42, North 7 Earl Gros, LSU / Ronnie Bull, Baylor
1961 South 33, North 26 Dick Norman, Stanford
1960 North 26, South 7 Jackie Lee, Cincinnati
1959 South 21, North 12 Theron Sapp, Georgia / Norm Odyniec, Notre Dame
1958 North 15, South 13 Jim Taylor, LSU
1957 South 21, North 7 Don Bosseler, Miami
1956 South 12, North 2 Don Goss, SMU
1955 South 12, North 6 Bobby Freeman, Auburn
1954 North 20, South 14 Gene Filipski, Villanova
1953 North 28, South 13 Harry Agganis, Boston
1952 North 20, South 6 Al Dorow, Michigan St.
1951 South 19, North 18 Bucky Curtis, Vanderbilt
1950* South 22, North 23 Travis Tidwell, Auburn


Sorry for the formatting.

 

[craig71]

My problem with Iupati is that he holds and has no punch. He's not verstatile like everyone thought he would be. He proved that in practice and in this game. He'll be a second round or third.

He also seems to have a hard time trying to maintain his pad level.With the high pad level that he shows at times Iupati is going to have a hard time maintaining leverage at the next level.Sure seems like a guy that needs alot of technique work,hard to spend a 1st rounder on a project.


Craig

 

[AustnIsMySaviour]

Why would Gilyard be gone in 1st round? Unless I guess he runs a 4.2 or something at combine? He is not that highly rated, for going in 1st round. At best right now he is a late 1st round, more likely late 2nd round. I have only seen him in couple games, so don't know much about him, but I don't see him rated that high.

LOL, where did I say he'd be gone in the 1st ? I said he won't be there in the 2nd round and I doubt he spend a first on him so its unlikely we get him....

 

[WoodysGirl]

And, once again, it's understandable. You're not going to see a well played football game by people who have been together less than week. This game has never been pretty. None of them ( from the original Blue and Grey Schriners, before they were changed to East/West, to this one, to the now defunct North and South All Stars in Hawaii ) have ever been pretty.

No matter how you spin it, bad football is bad football. It doesn't take a degree in football to see that there was some poor individual play today.

We all understand that it's only piece of the scouting equation, but it doesn't change the overall product on the field.

 

[AustnIsMySaviour]

I am watching the game. It was replay I saw, thought it was Graham tough to see, watching it online, it's going in and out kind of broken up. Were they showing a replay from practice this week? Not sure. They showed Duccasse getting beat pretty good though.

that was during practice. Graham beat Ducasse on a inside move.

 

[Randy White]

My problem with Iupati is that he holds and has no punch. He's not verstatile like everyone thought he would be. He proved that in practice and in this game. He'll be a second round or third.

Dude, you have no clue at what you're talking about. Stop pretending to be Mayock and parroting his words.

When have you EVER seen a guard " punching " ? Ever ? IF anything, you hear that from Tackle prospects and that's ALSO a myth. " Punching " is nothing more than when a Tackle extends his arms at a pass rusher on initial contact to neutralize his strength. Well, guess what ? That's about as useful against the likes of Dwight Freeney as being a " knee bender ".

What Iupati did in practice, and THE reason why his stock has risen so high that it might just be out of the Cowboys range, is dominate the guy in front of him. When it was pass blocking drills, his guy didn't get near the QB, when it was run blocking drills, he buried them to the turf. He kept his hands inside the shoulders, he moved his feet laterally as quick as anybody, and he used his sheer strength to overpower his opponent. That's exactly what scouts are looking for in dominant linemen. There's films on this available, in this website showing exactly that.

 

[Bluestang]

No matter how you spin it, bad football is bad football. It doesn't take a degree in football to see that there was some poor individual play today.

We all understand that it's only piece of the scouting equation, but it doesn't change the overall product on the field.

Let use Dexter McCluster as an example...an undersized RB but has reciever abilities.

All week he made guys look silly in 1v1 drills. He showed he can run routes, is super fast, and he has return abilities.

In the game his return abilities were average and he fumbled on one of his carries on a run play. He did make a play on a screen but that was about it.

After this week I think his draft status has remained the same. What was supposed to elevate him was his return abilities but he didn't so anything spectacular. He's also to small weight wise to hold up as a RB, whoever picks him up will convert him to a WR and he'll be playing the slot.

 

[bbgun]

What Iupati did in practice, and THE reason why his stock has risen so high that it might just be out of the Cowboys range, is dominate the guy in front of him. When it was pass blocking drills, his guy didn't get near the QB, when it was run blocking drills, he buried them to the turf. He kept his hands inside the shoulders, he moved his feet laterally as quick as anybody, and he used his sheer strength to overpower his opponent. That's exactly what scouts are looking for in dominant linemen. There's films on this available, in this website showing exactly that.

So why did he pick today of all days to do none of those things?