North vs South Senior Bowl Game Thread

[DeaconBlues]

You're crazy.

First of all, I don' t know what game are you watching. Yes, he gave up a sack playing RG, so what ? IT happens. THe rest of the game, he's been nothing short of dominant.

All this myth about him looking like he's " holding ", " slow feet ", and so forth is pure garbage. He's been playing almost the exact way he's practiced all week long and guess what ? He's been dominant all week long.

That's when the scouts were REALLY paying attention.

Most of the scouts and GMs, if not all, are all gone home now and the impression they have is what they've saw during the week, so to say that he's dropped anything in their eyes is laughable

I hope so, because I know that if he's there with the 27th pick, the Cowboys would jump on him faster than Cody on a cheesburger, but the week reality dicates otherwise...

You can't be serious, or rational here. Iupati has shown physical ability, but has close to zero technique skills. At the snap of the ball, he tends to stand up before contact, consistently placing himself off balance. Rather than attack and drive on DL, he stands and grabs the player. At least twice during the game, on short yardage plays, he got too high and was driven back, no leverage whatsoever.

If the refs wanted to, he could have been called for holding 3 out of every 5 snaps he played. He cost the North one TD, and should have been called on another run, against two different players.

He's a project. Talented, but a project. He has to be broken down and completely relearn the position.

 

[Randy White]

No matter how you spin it, bad football is bad football. It doesn't take a degree in football to see that there was some poor individual play today.

We all understand that it's only piece of the scouting equation, but it doesn't change the overall product on the field.

It's not a " spin ", it's an explanation for the " overall product on the field ". None of this games have ever been " pretty " or " good ". They are what they are, and if you were looking forward to watching them because you thought it was going to be a good game, then you shouldn't have.

 

[Bluestang]

Dude, you have no clue at what you're talking about. Stop pretending to be Mayock and parroting his words.

When have you EVER seen a guard " punching " ? Ever ? IF anything, you hear that from Tackle prospects and that's ALSO a myth. " Punching " is nothing more than when a Tackle extends his arms at a pass rusher on initial contact to neutralize his strength. Well, guess what ? That's about as useful against the likes of Dwight Freeney as being a " knee bender ".

What Iupati did in practice, and THE reason why his stock has risen so high that it might just be out of the Cowboys range, is dominate the guy in front of him. When it was pass blocking drills, his guy didn't get near the QB, when it was run blocking drills, he buried them to the turf. He kept his hands inside the shoulders, he moved his feet laterally as quick as anybody, and he used his sheer strength to overpower his opponent. That's exactly what scouts are looking for in dominant linemen. There's films on this available, in this website showing exactly that.

Where's the vids? Iupati cost his team a TD and almost another on the Blount TD run. He was dominant in practice as a guard but when he moved to tackle it was obvious he couldn't do it. The whole reason he was considered to go early in the first round was if he could move to the outside.

 

[jterrell]

Dude, you have no clue at what you're talking about. Stop pretending to be Mayock and parroting his words.

When have you EVER seen a guard " punching " ? Ever ? IF anything, you hear that from Tackle prospects and that's ALSO a myth. " Punching " is nothing more than when a Tackle extends his arms at a pass rusher on initial contact to neutralize his strength. Well, guess what ? That's about as useful against the likes of Dwight Freeney as being a " knee bender ".

What Iupati did in practice, and THE reason why his stock has risen so high that it might just be out of the Cowboys range, is dominate the guy in front of him. When it was pass blocking drills, his guy didn't get near the QB, when it was run blocking drills, he buried them to the turf. He kept his hands inside the shoulders, he moved his feet laterally as quick as anybody, and he used his sheer strength to overpower his opponent. That's exactly what scouts are looking for in dominant linemen. There's films on this available, in this website showing exactly that.

I am almost always with you but not here.

People love Iupati for his potential and flexibility but today he was awful. Every play he was reaching and grabbing and you can not do that in the NFL. Mayock was absolutely right and it wasn't that he dislikes him, he has the guy rated top 15 overall.

I am guessing today was a bit too big a stage for him but that he'll adjust quickly.

One of the issues with guys playing on lower levels is they dominate so easily they develop bad habits. With Iupati having an OL coach screaming at him right before a drill he dominated, but in the game he was holding almost every play.

Oh, and that punch is very, very real. Good OTs can stun pass rushers with it literally. Mayock is annoying and he can jump to conclusions on small samples but he understands the game beautifully and he is the rare scout who pays attention if a guy can actually play football more so than just run fast.

 

[UnoDallas]

well I did not see all of it but these guy here impressed me

They are all raw need to be coached up that’s all

G Zane Beadles, Utah
G Mike Iupati, Idaho

C Eric Olsen, Notre Dame
C Matt Tennant, BostonCollege

ISLB Daryl Washington, TCU



DE Brandon Lang, Troy
DE Brandon Graham, Michigan

DT Lamarr Houston, Texas
DT Dan Williams, Tennessee
DT Geno Atkins, Georgia
DT CamThomas, North Carolina

CB Kyle Wilson, BoiseState
CB Perrish Cox, Oklahoma State
CB Javier Arenas, Alabama
CB Patrick Robinson, Florida State

WR Jacoby Ford, Clemson

RB Ben Tate, Auburn
RB LeGarrette Blount, Oregon

 

[WoodysGirl]

It's not a " spin ", it's an explanation for the " overall product on the field ". None of this games have ever been " pretty " or " good ". They are what they are, and if you were looking forward to watching them because you thought it was going to be a good game, then you shouldn't have.

If I was looking for a good game, then this certainly wouldn't have qualified as one.

What I hoped to see was good, sound football play and signs of potential from various players. They didn't have to look like NFL seasoned veterans, but this was an opportunity to shine and in general, I didn't see that.

 

[craig71]

You can't be serious, or rational here. Iupati has shown physical ability, but has close to zero technique skills. At the snap of the ball, he tends to stand up before contact, consistently placing himself off balance. Rather than attack and drive on DL, he stands and grabs the player. At least twice during the game, on short yardage plays, he got too high and was driven back, no leverage whatsoever.

If the refs wanted to, he could have been called for holding 3 out of every 5 snaps he played. He cost the North one TD, and should have been called on another run, against two different players.

He's a project. Talented, but a project. He has to be broken down and completely relearn the position.

Sometimes that is easier said than done.Bad habits are easy to acquire but take extreme effort to purge.

Craig

 

[jterrell]

Where's the vids? Iupati cost his team a TD and almost another on the Blount TD run. He was dominant in practice as a guard but when he moved to tackle it was obvious he couldn't do it. The whole reason he was considered to go early in the first round was if he could move to the outside.

Now I am back to RW's side, lol.

Iupati pass blocked well in drills all week. I tivo'd it every day and watched them all plus the recaps.

He was more than good when in drill situations or teaching situations. There's definitely reason to believe you could draft him and play him at Guard now and Tackle in the future.

He was far better in his technique in practices, because yea in the game it was awful. Even with it being awful though his holds were often 4 or 5 yards off the ball. The kid can push people around.

He's the top rated OG/C prospect by far right now and chances are he goes before Dallas picks.

Almost every player who gets drafted will be asked to learn technique.

 

[Bluestang]

well I did not see all of it but these guy here impressed me

They are all raw need to be coached up that’s all

G Zane Beadles, Utah
G Mike Iupati, Idaho

C Eric Olsen, Notre Dame
C Matt Tennant, BostonCollege


CB Kyle Wilson, BoiseState
CB Perrish Cox, Oklahoma State
CB Javier Arenas, Alabama
CB Patrick Robinson, Florida State

DE Brandon Lang, Troy
DE Brandon Graham, Michigan

DT Lamarr Houston, Texas
DT Dan Williams, Tennessee
DT Geno Atkins, Georgia
DT CamThomas, North Carolina

WR Jacoby Ford, Clemson

RB Ben Tate, Auburn
RB LeGarrette Blount, Oregon

good list, Kyle Wilson is a guy that really impressed me on 1v1 drills. He looks like a dominant slot guy. I loved watching Houston this entire year at UT. Very good stuffing the run. Graham is gonna be a player in the NFL, perfect size for a 3-4 OLB and plays the run well.

 

[UnoDallas]

Graham - would not mind drafting this kid

 

[jterrell]

If I was looking for a good game, then this certainly wouldn't have qualified as one.

What I hoped to see was good, sound football play and signs of potential from various players. They didn't have to look like NFL seasoned veterans, but this was an opportunity to shine and in general, I didn't see that.

I started Tivo'ing the practices because scouts routinely talked about how practice was way more important than the game. You don't break bad habits in one week very often but in a drill situations you can get a guy to use techniques and then see if that player can compete physically using good technique.

I will say I thought this game was a bit more "all-starish" than usual. Usually that means the QBs weren't comfortable with the offense. But I think in this game it was rather that in trying to use offense the QBs were comfortable with it messed up execution for everyone else.

 

[Randy White]

You can't be serious, or rational here. Iupati has shown physical ability, but has close to zero technique skills. At the snap of the ball, he tends to stand up before contact, consistently placing himself off balance. Rather than attack and drive on DL, he stands and grabs the player. At least twice during the game, on short yardage plays, he got too high and was driven back, no leverage whatsoever.

If the refs wanted to, he could have been called for holding 3 out of every 5 snaps he played. He cost the North one TD, and should have been called on another run, against two different players.

He's a project. Talented, but a project. He has to be broken down and completely relearn the position.

Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on January 27, 2010 9:02 AM ET

One of the most buzzed about players during Senior Bowl week thus far is a 325-pound interior lineman. Idaho's Mike Iupati must be doing something right to get so much attention at an oft-overlooked position.

A sample of the love being thrown his way:

Former Ravens/Browns scout Daniel Jeremiah: [Iuputi is the] most likely Pro Bowler if you took a poll of scouts at Senior Bowl. Rare size, strength and quickness. Sticks out like a sore thumb."

Greg A. Bedard of the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel: "[The Packers] were very, very high on Idaho G Mike Iupati, maybe even a good possibility when they pick at No. 23. But he won't. If people overlooked Iupati before this week, they haven't now . . . He's a darn good player and is screaming up draft boards. 35-inch arms don't hurt."



Guess they're irrational too..

 

[Bluestang]

Now I am back to RW's side, lol.

Iupati pass blocked well in drills all week. I tivo'd it every day and watched them all plus the recaps.

He was more than good when in drill situations or teaching situations. There's definitely reason to believe you could draft him and play him at Guard now and Tackle in the future.

He was far better in his technique in practices, because yea in the game it was awful. Even with it being awful though his holds were often 4 or 5 yards off the ball. The kid can push people around.

He's the top rated OG/C prospect by far right now and chances are he goes before Dallas picks.

Almost every player who gets drafted will be asked to learn technique.

I did too. I don't disagree with the practices he stood his ground and stoned guys but when he took reps at tackle it was not good. Supposedly he was gonna move up in the draft because he would be able to move to the outside and could play both guard positions. As of now I only see him playing one guard position. He's got talent there is no doubt about it, but he needs time to develop. I just can't see Dallas nabbing him in the first round because he won't come in and challenge a starter for a spot. I'd grab him if he's still available in the second or third.

 

[marchetta]

FWIW, Drew Boylhart (thehuddlereport.com) rated Iupati as a 4th round talent. Said he was waaaaaay overrated, and didn't have enough athletic ability and footwork to be anything more than an average ORG. He said that he doesn't have the footwork or athletic ability to be a OT or even a OLG. If lucky, he'd be an adequate ORG. Said his college team played an OL style of playing tight together, instead of spread out, which allowed him to mask his deficincies. Namely, he doesn't have good feet, technique, and athletic ability to impact at the next level.

 

[TwoCentPlain]

well I did not see all of it but these guy here impressed me

They are all raw need to be coached up that’s all

G Zane Beadles, Utah
G Mike Iupati, Idaho

C Eric Olsen, Notre Dame
C Matt Tennant, BostonCollege

ISLB Daryl Washington, TCU



DE Brandon Lang, Troy
DE Brandon Graham, Michigan

DT Lamarr Houston, Texas
DT Dan Williams, Tennessee
DT Geno Atkins, Georgia
DT CamThomas, North Carolina

CB Kyle Wilson, BoiseState
CB Perrish Cox, Oklahoma State
CB Javier Arenas, Alabama
CB Patrick Robinson, Florida State

WR Jacoby Ford, Clemson

RB Ben Tate, Auburn
RB LeGarrette Blount, Oregon

I'd be happy if the somehow the Cowboys picked up DT Dan Williams, RB Ben Tate, and WR Jacoby Ford. Throw in a kicker and a defensive back, too.

 

[Muhast]

Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on January 27, 2010 9:02 AM ET

One of the most buzzed about players during Senior Bowl week thus far is a 325-pound interior lineman. Idaho's Mike Iupati must be doing something right to get so much attention at an oft-overlooked position.

A sample of the love being thrown his way:

Former Ravens/Browns scout Daniel Jeremiah: [Iuputi is the] most likely Pro Bowler if you took a poll of scouts at Senior Bowl. Rare size, strength and quickness. Sticks out like a sore thumb."

Greg A. Bedard of the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel: "[The Packers] were very, very high on Idaho G Mike Iupati, maybe even a good possibility when they pick at No. 23. But he won't. If people overlooked Iupati before this week, they haven't now . . . He's a darn good player and is screaming up draft boards. 35-inch arms don't hurt."



Guess they're irrational too..

Yes but practice players and game players are two separate things.

He looked great all week and then did nothing in the game worth noting besides struggling to block anyone without holding them. He looks stiff, and he has slow feet, has bad technique.

If I'm drafting a first round player, I'm not going project player. That is 3rd round and beyond. First round picks are too important to miss on.

 

[SDogo]

FWIW, Drew Boylhart (thehuddlereport.com) rated Iupati as a 4th round talent. Said he was waaaaaay overrated, and didn't have enough athletic ability and footwork to be anything more than an average ORG. He said that he doesn't have the footwork or athletic ability to be a OT or even a OLG. If lucky, he'd be an adequate ORG. Said his college team played an OL style of playing tight together, instead of spread out, which allowed him to mask his deficincies. Namely, he doesn't have good feet, technique, and athletic ability to impact at the next level.

If you only knew the truth you would of never quoted this fool.

 

[DeaconBlues]

Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on January 27, 2010 9:02 AM ET

One of the most buzzed about players during Senior Bowl week thus far is a 325-pound interior lineman. Idaho's Mike Iupati must be doing something right to get so much attention at an oft-overlooked position.

A sample of the love being thrown his way:

Former Ravens/Browns scout Daniel Jeremiah: [Iuputi is the] most likely Pro Bowler if you took a poll of scouts at Senior Bowl. Rare size, strength and quickness. Sticks out like a sore thumb."

Greg A. Bedard of the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel: "[The Packers] were very, very high on Idaho G Mike Iupati, maybe even a good possibility when they pick at No. 23. But he won't. If people overlooked Iupati before this week, they haven't now . . . He's a darn good player and is screaming up draft boards. 35-inch arms don't hurt."



Guess they're irrational too..

No, just you. Please note the date and time. They are referring to the practices. I, and others here, are referring to the game. He apparently a great practice player, but all the work he put in went out the window once the whistle blew.

 

[Bluestang]

No, just you. Please note the date and time. They are referring to the practices. I, and others here, are referring to the game. He apparently a great practice player, but all the work he put in went out the window once the whistle blew.

RW said earlier that scouts are long gone when the whistle blows. All they look at is practices and don't watch the game.

 

[DeaconBlues]

Almost every player who gets drafted will be asked to learn technique.

It is one thing to learn to improve certain quirks in your play. Or to learn a different position, one you have strengths in. I'd have a concern with a tall OL who stands up at almost every snap. It's gonna take time.

Hopefully, if he learns to play low and fire out, he'll lose the need to grab so much.