Not enough film study per Broaddus

[jobberone]

As much as we like talking about each other and Garrett's past here, maybe we should discuss the content of Broaddus' claim.

That's a gravid thought for these parts.

 

[jobberone]

Mo Claiborne talked about how he doesn't like to watch a lot of film earlier during the season. I thought that was strange he would just say that like he's a 10 year Vet or something. I doubt a lot of those guys are watching a lot of film and you can see the results on the field.

If true it shows in this play. If he's talking about looking at it by himself then it should be limited. He needs to look at film with a coach or a good long time veteran.

 

[jobberone]

No!

Really!

LOL!

 

[Little Jr]

Not the same thing. We're talking about the son of a coach, a career QB, a QB coach, OC and HC here, and you're trying to make a case that he doesn't understand the importance of watching film. It's just a ridiculous argument to try to get anybody to believe.

If they aren't doing wnough filnm study its on the hc. Either his rkg aren't rkgs or the team isn't buying into what he is selling. Either way its on the hc. This 2 players who has said this about film study.

 

[Little Jr]

What makes you qualified to state what or does not make one qualified to be a HC?

If you want examples of guys that went from playing to coaching there are a whole slew of them. I'll take empirical evidence over angst and bias.

Common. Sense should tell you 5.5 years of asst coaching exp isn't enough. Common sense should tell you 15 yrs of playing doesn't qualify you for a hc. Even when combine with 5.5 years of coaching exp. Go ahead and give me them examples then give me their actual coaching resume with it. Let's compare.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

I don't think it would be a shock to learn that every team in the league has a few film malingers who aren't in the film room as often or as long as what their HC would like. But due to things being what they are... you simply have to put up with them on your team until you can replace them with others. You also have the players that are so talented/skilled (and they know it) that they give scant attention to trying to improve themselves even more through film study.

Studying a slice of players in the NFL isn't going to yield much difference than studying a slice of any group in society. You're going to have those that are talented and work hard. Those that are talented and don't work hard. The less talented that make themselves that much better through hard work and those that are less talented that will do just enough to get by.

 

[Risen Star]

I think you have a head coach who has bare resume that goes back to 2005 so he doesn't know how much film study is sufficient. He just doesn't have the experience, period. I don't care how many boat trips he takes with Jimmy Johnson, he is way to green for this gig.

I couldn't disagree with this more. Jason Garrett was a marginal talent in terms of playing in the NFL. A guy like that has to rely on the mental aspect of the game to make it. So I'm betting he nobody knows the value of film study more than a guy like him.

This is why I liked his potential as a coach and being saddled with Jerry Jones isn't going to make me think of any differently about him. I will not blame him for the sins of the owner like so many fans like to do. They'll have the same complaints of his successor, as they did with the guy Garrett succeeded.

 

[Super_Kazuya]

If they aren't doing wnough filnm study its on the hc. Either his rkg aren't rkgs or the team isn't buying into what he is selling. Either way its on the hc. This 2 players who has said this about film study.

No, it's not but keep on fantasizing. There isn't even the slightest shred of evidence that film study leads to winning anyway so it's a dumb argument. Give me a 0 wonderlic mega-talent any day over our UDFA/couch film room wannabes.

 

[burmafrd]

I couldn't disagree with this more. Jason Garrett was a marginal talent in terms of playing in the NFL. A guy like that has to rely on the mental aspect of the game to make it. So I'm betting he nobody knows the value of film study more than a guy like him.

This is why I liked his potential as a coach and being saddled with Jerry Jones isn't going to make me think of any differently about him. I will not blame him for the sins of the owner like so many fans like to do. They'll have the same complaints of his successor, as they did with the guy Garrett succeeded.

that is reasonable; we can blame him for so much else anyway...

 

[Little Jr]

No, it's not but keep on fantasizing. There isn't even the slightest shred of evidence that film study leads to winning anyway so it's a dumb argument. Give me a 0 wonderlic mega-talent any day over our UDFA/couch film room wannabes.

Lol I guessing this was sarcasm. I'm hoping anyway

 

[17yearsandcounting]

Common. Sense should tell you 5.5 years of asst coaching exp isn't enough. Common sense should tell you 15 yrs of playing doesn't qualify you for a hc. Even when combine with 5.5 years of coaching exp. Go ahead and give me them examples then give me their actual coaching resume with it. Let's compare.

Well we have uhhhhh

Lane Kiffin

 

[jterrell]

But it is totally OK for you to suggest that a year spent running the scout team in 93 is in some way relevant to Garrett's coaching experience.

He is saying he has been on teams and staffs led by coaches renown for legendary preparedness.

Whether Garrett was in the game or on the sideline has zero effect on his being in the team QB meetings or offensive meetings watching film.
It certainly makes him far more aware than anyone on this board of what it takes to effectively run and prepare a football team.

Standing on the sidelines holding a clipboard or having an earpiece in are absolutely perfect ways to learn the game.

If we are a poor film study team(hardly proven because one unnamed player suggests it) that absolutely needs to change.
Garrett is hardly above reproach as we've generally treaded water here and nothing more.
But he is absolutely following what Saban and even Carroll are doing in many ways with his process based team management.
And his SMU game attendance with Tony Romo suggests he is listening to Jimmy Johnson who once upon a time got into tropical fish as a way to bond with Troy Aikman who nearly hated him.

 

[Idgit]

If they aren't doing wnough filnm study its on the hc. Either his rkg aren't rkgs or the team isn't buying into what he is selling. Either way its on the hc. This 2 players who has said this about film study.

If they're not doing enough, then I'd agree, it would be on the head coach. It still wouldn't be because he doesn't know the importance of film study.

Other than Broaddus' anonymous source, who was this second player? Did I miss that somewhere?

 

[jterrell]

Maybe you should think about what your post. Plnaying has nothing to do with coaching. 15 years as a player isn't a qualification to become a hc.

Playing the game, especially at the QB position does in fact mean a lot.
You are privy to every aspect of the offensive game plan and it's execution.
You certainly know the weekly routine including gow much game film is being watched. .

Garrett's issues have been from the other end.
In game management.
Managing his assts and his QB on the field.
Those are things where head coaching experience is directly related and necessary.

There are tons of guys with TONS of coaching experience who've failed miserably as the head guy.
And virtually every coach who has ever won a SB has actually PLAYED the game

 

[Risen Star]

If they aren't doing wnough filnm study its on the hc. Either his rkg aren't rkgs or the team isn't buying into what he is selling. Either way its on the hc. This 2 players who has said this about film study.

It's only on the head coach if he has the authority to enforce the rules.

 

[LatinMind]

If they aren't doing wnough filnm study its on the hc. Either his rkg aren't rkgs or the team isn't buying into what he is selling. Either way its on the hc. This 2 players who has said this about film study.

Im pretty sure its Church and Carr. They both have said this team needed to spend more time studying teams on tape.

 

[TwoDeep3]

Maybe he doesn't have the authority to do that either.

I think it was L. H. Oswald, in the library, with the candlestick.

 

[Super_Kazuya]

Lol I guessing this was sarcasm. I'm hoping anyway

I was hoping it was simple enough for you to understand. Looks like we were both left hoping.

 

[Little Jr]

If they're not doing enough, then I'd agree, it would be on the head coach. It still wouldn't be because he doesn't know the importance of film study.

Other than Broaddus' anonymous source, who was this second player? Did I miss that somewhere?

Curch said it during the season. I posted a link in a previous comment.

 

[Little Jr]

I was hoping it was simple enough for you to understand. Looks like we were both left hoping.

Lol so film study isn't important? Lol that's what you are saying?