Now you all see why blaming Dak's contract was foolish, right?

[Beaker42]

The Jones idiots were cheap even when Dak was on his rookie deal.

The Jones idiots have been cheap with outside free agents for YEARS.

The Jones idiots are cheap EVEN WITH COACHES, and there is no salary cap for coach contracts.

They paid Dak. Big whoop. They waited until the start of the season to pay him, BY DESIGN, so that they wouldn't have to spend another dime last offseason aside from CeeDee's deal.

They're a cheap and useless ownership group. Fans who blamed Dak or Dak's contract were essentially letting the Jones idiots off the hook for their lack of FA signings. Don't do that.

Many other teams paid their QB $50M+, and none of them were even close to as cheap as the Cowboys with outside free agents.

Jalen Hurts signed for $51M/year. The Eagles are ALSO paying AJ Brown, DeVonta Smith, Dallas Goedert and *drumroll please* Saquon Barkley. They also have maybe the best OL and best defense in the NFL.

But Dak and CeeDee are supposed to win big, all on their own, because they're the "highest paid" at their positions? Bull****.

SELL THE TEAM!!!!!!!!

Then the DA’s turn around and sign our own mediocre players like great ones. They don’t like or understand FA and it shows. Our struggles aren’t over once JJ goes to visit his ol’ buddy Johnny Walker in Heaven.

 

[jazzcat22]

The Cowboys could've spent $0 or $1000000 in free agency and Dak's contract would still be the 2nd worst contract in NFL history, only behind Deshaun Watson.

Dak is also a major reason a career loser coordinator like Brian Schottenheimer is the head coach right now. Because he values comfort and continually over accountability.

Dak got what he wanted and his fans (the very few left) have another excuse for his failures.

Dak Prescott is Jerry Jones in player form. He is about about nothing else but Dak Prescott.

Wait until Dak's next injury. Wonder if Jerry will still think it is a great deal. How will he spin it.
It was a horrible decision and contract.

Any news if he is even lightly jogging yet, or is he still walking around that rubble from his house telling the media to go away.

 

[G2]

This place loses more and more stability by the day!

 

[stilltheguru]

Which playoff game with Dak was almost entirely on the defense? 19 and 23 points vs Niners, GB was a total team collapse.

3 names: RB Jeanty, WR Burden, DT/NT Grant

Grant will likely be a 20s guy, Jeanty top 15, Burden top 20.

I never said entirely. You should be comparing our defense to Philly which is what you chose to respond to. Do you think our defenses in playoff games compare to Philly defense in 22 and this year? I'm just asking

 

[TheSport78]

I never said entirely. You should be comparing our defense to Philly which is what you chose to respond to. Do you think our defenses in playoff games compare to Philly defense in 22 and this year? I'm just asking

Run defense wise? Definitely not. Dallas hasn't placed a serious importance on that for decades now.

 

[zrinkill]

What a silly thread

 

[thunderpimp91]

its been the same crap. people are now pointing to the 3rd contract. but in the 2nd contract, the first 3 years we had similar cap hits. yet didn't sign any FAs or improve the team. on his rookie deal, it was the same thing. always skimp over FA and go cheap to maximize profits. back then everyone complained, its 40M average, but the first three years it was 17,19,27M....

yes, Dak hasn't come through. but my argument isn't if he is good, or bad. a whole other argument, but the cap is not the issue for not being able to sign at least some impact FAs. the joneses are the issue.

and if a single contract paralyzes this organization, then this organization SUCKS in cap management. I look at top 5 to 10 contracts a team has. Philly top 6 contract is 170M. cowboys is 168M. one is playing in the superbowl, the other is top 12 pick.

their team is loaded, while we got holes everywhere. and then we go hire Schottenheimer as the head coach. a guy who has had one (or is it 2?) top 10 offenses his entire career (and that's with the cowboys), the rest has been 20th or worse and few times the worst in the league.

I'm not disagreeing that the Cowboys have cheap ownership and significant issues with the philosophy of the front office. With that said though I don't think it justifies Daks contract. If you're on a tight budget it typically doesn't make sense to go and buy an expensive car when a used Honda Civic can still get you from point A to point B.

Contract 2 to Contract 3 is an important factor here because it compounds the problems from contract 2. Here is the Cowboys free agent spending from 2020-2023...

2020 - FA spend $49M, Dak Cap hit $17M
2021 - $37M, $17M
2022 - $42M, $19M
2023 - $47M, $26M

Its not where fans want it to be, but thats significantly better than the $18M they spent in 2024, while Dak carried a $44M cap hit. Ultimately the free agency spending still seems to at least partially correlate to the QB contract.

I get it...Philly is throwing money at their problems to make them go away and loading up on talent at the same time. Jerry has the resources to do the same, but the reality of it is that the Cowboys will never be doing what Philly is though and we need to accept that. Jerry cares way more about making this team profitable than he does racking up championships. Other teams are doing whatever it takes to generate additional cash including selling minority stakes of the team. IMO the Cowboys need to be operating like a mid market team in baseball....You have enough money to lock up a few players strategically, but need to have a bit of a moneyball mindset to find methods of building your roster that other teams are not doing yet. There are several ways to approach this, but I think remaining flexible at the QB position is a very underrated way to approach roster building for a team that is going to play the cap fairly as is.

I'm all for knocking Jerry, he 100% deserves it. I simply think signing Dak knowing that you dont intend on spending money elsewhere is a massive failure that gives the team almost zero chance of competing.

 

[bottleKids]

Rocky may be gone but his cult members live on.

 

[stilltheguru]

Run defense wise? Definitely not. Dallas hasn't placed a serious importance on that for decades now.

Turnover wise? Remember we're talking playoffs not regular season vs daniel Jones and Sam Howell

 

[ClintDagger]

Dak and jalen are on the same level. I have no patience debating anybody thinking otherwise. Jalen has a top 3 oline, top 3 rb and top 3 defense. Just............nevermind

As passers they are about the same. Jalen has another facet to his game that makes him a clearly better player. Dak at times has had a similar cast around him and never made it to a CCG much less a SB. You probably have no patience debating it because you don’t like losing.

 

[Chuck 54]

Jalen hurts is playing football today in a game called the NFCCG. Dak is not nor has he ever played in this game. Jalen gets 51 a year Dak gets 60. Jalen has played in more NFCCG than Dal has won playoff games. Dak is grossly overpaid.

Dak lost a lot of credibility when he was negotiating through the media and said he needs to get the most money for his QB brothers. If Dak would have kept quiet and Jerry overpaid then that’s on Jerry. Dak took advantage of Jerry’s unwillingness to be uncomfortable and stuck it to him. That’s fine with me but he also stuck it to the fans, I’m okay with that.

It's too bad Football isn't set up like tennis; Then maybe comparing QB's would make sense, 1-1.

 

[TheSport78]

Turnover wise? Remember we're talking playoffs not regular season vs daniel Jones and Sam Howell

I'm not sure I understand the question. From what I can recall, I see a defense that has forced three turnovers since 2018, and a QB that has made crucial mistakes in big spots. The more current analytics show that playoff success is more based on QB play over turnovers. KC lost the turnover battle yesterday and won.

 

[stilltheguru]

As passers they are about the same. Jalen has another facet to his game that makes him a clearly better player. Dak at times has had a similar cast around him and never made it to a CCG much less a SB. You probably have no patience debating it because you don’t like losing.

has dak ever had a top 5 level defense in the playoffs? Let's see your answer and if I'd "lose" humor me

 

[stilltheguru]

I'm not sure I understand the question. From what I can recall, I see a defense that has forced three turnovers since 2018, and a QB that has made crucial mistakes in big spots. The more current analytics show that playoff success is more based on QB play over turnovers. KC lost the turnover battle yesterday and won.

What other games besides yesterday in this playoffs did the team that lost the turnover battle still won? I know you're having trouble understanding so I made that question as simple as possible

 

[kevm3]

Jalen hurts is playing football today in a game called the NFCCG. Dak is not nor has he ever played in this game. Jalen gets 51 a year Dak gets 60. Jalen has played in more NFCCG than Dal has won playoff games. Dak is grossly overpaid.

Dak lost a lot of credibility when he was negotiating through the media and said he needs to get the most money for his QB brothers. If Dak would have kept quiet and Jerry overpaid then that’s on Jerry. Dak took advantage of Jerry’s unwillingness to be uncomfortable and stuck it to him. That’s fine with me but he also stuck it to the fans, I’m okay with that.

Jalen is on a team ran by a FO that knows how to build a team. Nick Foles WON a superbowl with the eagles. If Jalen Hurts was here, do you think we'd have more success than we have had?

 

[zrinkill]

has dak ever had a top 5 level defense in the playoffs?

Hard to be a "top 5 defense" when your QB throws the ball to the other team or goes 3 and out till he gets to the 4th quarter.

 

[stilltheguru]

Hard to be a "top 5 defense" when your QB throws the ball to the other team or goes 3 and out till he gets to the 4th quarter.

How is it hard? You mean the top 5 defense cant get a turnover on the other team? Sounds like mayyyyyyyybe they aren't really top 5? Nahhhhhh you are making sense. My bad

 

[zrinkill]

How is it hard? You mean the top 5 defense cant get a turnover on the other team? Sounds like mayyyyyyyybe they aren't really top 5? Nahhhhhh you are making sense. My bad

They did that all year when Quinn was here ........ then Dak froze up in the playoffs

 

[CowboyoWales]

everyone keeps arguing about future years, trying to save money this year for 2,3 years down the line. and the window is closing.

again, I am not endorsing Dak one way or other.

How do you conflate those two points? The only window that's closing is to compete with Dak as our QB.
Some of us believe the window's closed.

 

[TheSport78]

What other games besides yesterday in this playoffs did the team that lost the turnover battle still won? I know you're having trouble understanding so I made that question as simple as possible

Try not to be condescending, cool? I've been very cordial, but I've decided to discontinue the conversation based on the way you converse with other humans. Good luck!