Now you all see why blaming Dak's contract was foolish, right?

[CowboysFaninHouston]

I did know that. It's not just about 2024. As it stands now Daks cap hit next season is almost 90 million. They will kick the can down the road but even then his cap hit will be over 50 million next season. They will pay for Daks contract years after he is gone.
They were not cheap with Daks contract just stupid. They did wait too long, but at that point they should have let him hit the market. No other team would have given him that contract. They could have signed him cheaper or let him go. He is going to be 32, injury prone, cant run, cant stay healthy.

I think you would be wrong about any other team not giving him contract. he would get the 55M, or maybe 56M contract. there are desparate teams out there that would pay for QBs. 15 QBs make 40M or more....that's the market. but yes, 60M was surprising and too much. the challenge is that our self proclaimed wonderful, super smart GM, is actually cluelss about actual football.. his focus is on money and making more money. the 60M contract to Dak was meaningless to him. he didn't care. we were 28th in cap spending. we had the 6th most cap space. and we are 28th in dead cap space. all pointing to one thing, which is the focus of the organization is on profitability and money. further, Dak was 2nd in MVP and top 5 in jersey sales and there was a marketing machine behind it waiting to cash in.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

No, Dak's contract is a big part of the reason we're not going anywhere.

how? are you saying we couldn't sign FAs? is that the point I assume. we had 23M on the cap, 6th most of any team.

I am not defeding the contract, its value or Dak. just that this contract stuff is handicapping us stuff, is from joneses targeting average and fringe fans and those with emotional anger towards Dak's contract and you just regurgigated exactly what the joneses wanted you to do....

 

[thunderpimp91]

that's the point I have brought up multiple times. all the pundits would have been ok, if he got paid lets say 53M...but the fact is the difference between philly, detroit and cowboys isn't 7M.

The issue there is also the difference in a 2nd contract vs a 3rd contract too....Those 2nd contracts allow for a ton of flexibility until the bill finally comes due. A qbs 3rd contract on mega deals is a lot less forgiving once its already been restructured to death, which Philly will probably get to this point too. This is technically the start of Daks extension this year and his $260M deal still carries $290M worth of cap hits. Jalen's cap hits so far have been $6M, $13M, and $21M since he signed his extension. Dak right off the bat is more than those three years combined at $44M this year. I guess the sort of good news is Dallas hasnt put any of that money into Daks void years yet, but how much do you really want to throw into the void years of a guy who will be 36?

Giving Dak 53 vs 60 would have helped, but I still think that the structure of the deal combined with a very poor handing of the 2nd contract (franchise tags, short 4 year deal, constant restructures) kinda set up any Dak extension to be a hurdle for this franchise moving forward.

 

[DeaconMoss]

The Jones idiots were cheap even when Dak was on his rookie deal.

The Jones idiots have been cheap with outside free agents for YEARS.

The Jones idiots are cheap EVEN WITH COACHES, and there is no salary cap for coach contracts.

They paid Dak. Big whoop. They waited until the start of the season to pay him, BY DESIGN, so that they wouldn't have to spend another dime last offseason aside from CeeDee's deal.

They're a cheap and useless ownership group. Fans who blamed Dak or Dak's contract were essentially letting the Jones idiots off the hook for their lack of FA signings. Don't do that.

Many other teams paid their QB $50M+, and none of them were even close to as cheap as the Cowboys with outside free agents.

Jalen Hurts signed for $51M/year. The Eagles are ALSO paying AJ Brown, DeVonta Smith, Dallas Goedert and *drumroll please* Saquon Barkley. They also have maybe the best OL and best defense in the NFL.

But Dak and CeeDee are supposed to win big, all on their own, because they're the "highest paid" at their positions? Bull****.

SELL THE TEAM!!!!!!!!

You could sign every FA you want. None of them will make up for Dak's inability.

 

[Creeper]

The Jones idiots were cheap even when Dak was on his rookie deal.

The Jones idiots have been cheap with outside free agents for YEARS.

The Jones idiots are cheap EVEN WITH COACHES, and there is no salary cap for coach contracts.

They paid Dak. Big whoop. They waited until the start of the season to pay him, BY DESIGN, so that they wouldn't have to spend another dime last offseason aside from CeeDee's deal.

They're a cheap and useless ownership group. Fans who blamed Dak or Dak's contract were essentially letting the Jones idiots off the hook for their lack of FA signings. Don't do that.

Many other teams paid their QB $50M+, and none of them were even close to as cheap as the Cowboys with outside free agents.

Jalen Hurts signed for $51M/year. The Eagles are ALSO paying AJ Brown, DeVonta Smith, Dallas Goedert and *drumroll please* Saquon Barkley. They also have maybe the best OL and best defense in the NFL.

But Dak and CeeDee are supposed to win big, all on their own, because they're the "highest paid" at their positions? Bull****.

SELL THE TEAM!!!!!!!!

You need to go to Over-the CAP and look at how those Eagles contracts are structured. While Dak's 2025 CAP number is just under $90 million, no other QB or Eagles player in the league even comes close to that. That's because the Cowboys restructured Dak multiple times during his first deal, and did it again in 2024. I have no idea why the Cowboys didn't spend money in 2024 on free agents. They could have. They probably should have at least tried to keep some of their own free agents. They didn't, and the reasoning escapes me.

But I just do not see how $90 million of their CAP can go to one player and not impact the rest of the team.

Of course the Cowboys can restructure Dak again, and they probably will, saving maybe $20 million of so, but all that does is push money into next year and the years after that. So next year they will take an $80 million CAP hit for him. Or they restructure again and so on. Eventually they will pay the price - as will the Eagles and other teams that are using voidable years to lower their current CAP numbers.

 

[Johannes44]

The Dak contract is just one more decision in a long list of decisions that has turned this franchise into a joke.

 

[Steve007]

I think you would be wrong about any other team not giving him contract. he would get the 55M, or maybe 56M contract. there are desparate teams out there that would pay for QBs. 15 QBs make 40M or more....that's the market. but yes, 60M was surprising and too much. the challenge is that our self proclaimed wonderful, super smart GM, is actually cluelss about actual football.. his focus is on money and making more money. the 60M contract to Dak was meaningless to him. he didn't care. we were 28th in cap spending. we had the 6th most cap space. and we are 28th in dead cap space. all pointing to one thing, which is the focus of the organization is on profitability and money. further, Dak was 2nd in MVP and top 5 in jersey sales and there was a marketing machine behind it waiting to cash in.

Yes he could get the 50 million range with another team, but he wouldn't have gotten the 240 million guarantee with no trade clause. I agree it's all about marketing with the Jones boys.

 

[kskboys]

And whose fault was it when Dak was on his cheap rookie deal?

Why were the Jones idiots cheap even then???

DURRRR WHAT DO COMMON DENOMINATOR MEAN??

Ah, changing the subject because you were wrong.

 

[John813]

It's not one or the other.

It can be a bad deal and a dumb front office running the team's personnel operations.

 

[CowboyoWales]

You need to go to Over-the CAP and look at how those Eagles contracts are structured. While Dak's 2025 CAP number is just under $90 million, no other QB or Eagles player in the league even comes close to that. That's because the Cowboys restructured Dak multiple times during his first deal, and did it again in 2024. I have no idea why the Cowboys didn't spend money in 2024 on free agents. They could have. They probably should have at least tried to keep some of their own free agents. They didn't, and the reasoning escapes me.

But I just do not see how $90 million of their CAP can go to one player and not impact the rest of the team.

Of course the Cowboys can restructure Dak again, and they probably will, saving maybe $20 million of so, but all that does is push money into next year and the years after that. So next year they will take an $80 million CAP hit for him. Or they restructure again and so on. Eventually they will pay the price - as will the Eagles and other teams that are using voidable years to lower their current CAP numbers.

I'd guess:
- 2024 -we didn't try to even resign our own, in part, down to Jerry's annoyance that he couldn't get a long term/career ending contract, which allowed him flexibility (into his late 80's where he wouldn't care). He then threw the toys out and said: IM MAKING DAK EARN IT. If he's paying Dak (and CeeDee) those contracts, he's sure as hell going to make them earn them.

- Hurts- it's highly unlikely Hurts is with the Eagles in 2028 (or if he is it'll be on an extension, that spreads that money out). I'd even hazard a guess that if the Eagles won the SB he'd start fielding calls for a Hurts trade.....Roseman looks at future production vrs Trade value, rather than commercial considerations.

 

[CowboyoWales]

And whose fault was it when Dak was on his cheap rookie deal?

Why were the Jones idiots cheap even then???

DURRRR WHAT DO COMMON DENOMINATOR MEAN??

Wasn't part of the reason for limited CAP because Jerry had just overpaid his existing injury layden QB to an extension?
Pointing out for a friend?

 

[Creeper]

I'd guess:
- 2024 -we didn't try to even resign our own, in part, down to Jerry's annoyance that he couldn't get a long term/career ending contract, which allowed him flexibility (into his late 80's where he wouldn't care). He then threw the toys out and said: IM MAKING DAK EARN IT. If he's paying Dak (and CeeDee) those contracts, he's sure as hell going to make them earn them.

- Hurts- it's highly unlikely Hurts is with the Eagles in 2028 (or if he is it'll be on an extension, that spreads that money out). I'd even hazard a guess that if the Eagles won the SB he'd start fielding calls for a Hurts trade.....Roseman looks at future production vrs Trade value, rather than commercial considerations.

I agree with you on Hurts. He is due some option bonuses and it is just like the Eagles to avoid those bonuses and future CAP hits by making a trade early. And, unlike Jerry, the Eagles will probably get another haul of draft picks for Hurts. They play the game like professionals while Jerry plays like an amateur.

 

[kskboys]

how? are you saying we couldn't sign FAs? is that the point I assume. we had 23M on the cap, 6th most of any team.

I am not defeding the contract, its value or Dak. just that this contract stuff is handicapping us stuff, is from joneses targeting average and fringe fans and those with emotional anger towards Dak's contract and you just regurgigated exactly what the joneses wanted you to do....

It's about overpaying players/positions. And about the short length of the contract.

The 23 mil was saved for this season, and to sign guys like Parsons. Obvious stuff if you think about it. There is no one we could've had for that 23 mil that would've saved our season. That money was best saved for upcoming guys. Especially w/ Dak taking up 89 mil of the cap in 25.

I find it mildly amusing that you are spewing something about me regurgitating. For one thing, that's what we all do on here, every day, all the time.

And secondly, the bolded is nothing but regurgitating. Man, you really shouldn't be spewing about crapp and then do the same thing yourself.

 

[kskboys]

I agree with you on Hurts. He is due some option bonuses and it is just like the Eagles to avoid those bonuses and future CAP hits by making a trade early. And, unlike Jerry, the Eagles will probably get another haul of draft picks for Hurts. They play the game like professionals while Jerry plays like an amateur.

Yup. Hurts' run is about over. As per usual w/ running QB's. They have short careers.

 

[Johannes44]

I agree with you on Hurts. He is due some option bonuses and it is just like the Eagles to avoid those bonuses and future CAP hits by making a trade early. And, unlike Jerry, the Eagles will probably get another haul of draft picks for Hurts. They play the game like professionals while Jerry plays like an amateur.

Jerry if you are lucky is a part time GM.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

It's about overpaying players/positions. And about the short length of the contract.

The 23 mil was saved for this season, and to sign guys like Parsons. Obvious stuff if you think about it. There is no one we could've had for that 23 mil that would've saved our season. That money was best saved for upcoming guys. Especially w/ Dak taking up 89 mil of the cap in 25.

I find it mildly amusing that you are spewing something about me regurgitating. For one thing, that's what we all do on here, every day, all the time.

And secondly, the bolded is nothing but regurgitating. Man, you really shouldn't be spewing about crapp and then do the same thing yourself.

hey welcome to the NFL, sounds like you know how to manage a cap better than Stephen and Jerry.
and btw, there are 3 other QBs with 4 year contracts making over 50M and the rest are 5 years. why couldn't jerry just add a fake 5 years, like he did with the previous contract. a four year contract disguised as a 6 year contract.

the point of 23M was that we had money on the cap. they can redo contracts this year to get another 100M on the cap. yes, its pushing money down the road, but its not about down the road, its about a window of opportunity to win a championship. how is that Eagles do it? Detroit did it? Rams did it? if one contract handicaps and disables this entire organization, then we really suck at cap management. the difference of 5M in QB salary, shouldn't paralyze us to be one of the worst teams in the league.

everyone keeps arguing about future years, trying to save money this year for 2,3 years down the line. and the window is closing.

again, I am not endorsing Dak one way or other. been advocating to draft a QB in top 3 rounds every few years. but the contract is not what's holding this organization back. its the GM/ Owner. the bolded is the truth. Eagles top 6 contracts are 171M. cowboys 168M. they are in the superbowl. we have a top 12 pick!!! Detroit top 6 contracts are 170M. they went 15-2. they had as many injuries as us, yet they went 15-2

all you did was just regurgigate exactly what the Joneses wanted you to do....congrats for being a Dallas Cowboys marketing arm.

 

[nhcowboyfan]

Nobody's pretending Dak hasn't sucked in some huge playoff moments. Last year vs GB was beyond awful.

But he entered 2024 coming off an All-Pro year. You don't have to like him, but All-Pro QBs get paid by their respective teams. Look around the league. It's just not realistic to gripe about that.

Your plan was to apparently let him walk, save that money and draft a new QB?

Cool. Even if he's good, Jerry and Stephen will be cheap and stupid, likely resulting in more early playoff exits.

I would rather Jerry and Stephen be cheap and stupid resulting in more early playoff exits; than pay a QB who has achieved two playoff wins in 10 years $60 million a year to get the same early playoff exits. Except now, with another lower body injury, we are paying that price for a QB who may not even get us to the playoffs. The NFC East is no longer a punching bag for Dak to pad his stats.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

The issue there is also the difference in a 2nd contract vs a 3rd contract too....Those 2nd contracts allow for a ton of flexibility until the bill finally comes due. A qbs 3rd contract on mega deals is a lot less forgiving once its already been restructured to death, which Philly will probably get to this point too. This is technically the start of Daks extension this year and his $260M deal still carries $290M worth of cap hits. Jalen's cap hits so far have been $6M, $13M, and $21M since he signed his extension. Dak right off the bat is more than those three years combined at $44M this year. I guess the sort of good news is Dallas hasnt put any of that money into Daks void years yet, but how much do you really want to throw into the void years of a guy who will be 36?

Giving Dak 53 vs 60 would have helped, but I still think that the structure of the deal combined with a very poor handing of the 2nd contract (franchise tags, short 4 year deal, constant restructures) kinda set up any Dak extension to be a hurdle for this franchise moving forward.

its been the same crap. people are now pointing to the 3rd contract. but in the 2nd contract, the first 3 years we had similar cap hits. yet didn't sign any FAs or improve the team. on his rookie deal, it was the same thing. always skimp over FA and go cheap to maximize profits. back then everyone complained, its 40M average, but the first three years it was 17,19,27M....

yes, Dak hasn't come through. but my argument isn't if he is good, or bad. a whole other argument, but the cap is not the issue for not being able to sign at least some impact FAs. the joneses are the issue.

and if a single contract paralyzes this organization, then this organization SUCKS in cap management. I look at top 5 to 10 contracts a team has. Philly top 6 contract is 170M. cowboys is 168M. one is playing in the superbowl, the other is top 12 pick.

their team is loaded, while we got holes everywhere. and then we go hire Schottenheimer as the head coach. a guy who has had one (or is it 2?) top 10 offenses his entire career (and that's with the cowboys), the rest has been 20th or worse and few times the worst in the league.

 

[TheSport78]

You left out the defense conveniently. The thing that ultimately wins. I understand man. I understand.

But let's play a game. Who would you like dallas to draft? And don't cop-out and say bpa. Just give me 3 names

Which playoff game with Dak was almost entirely on the defense? 19 and 23 points vs Niners, GB was a total team collapse.

3 names: RB Jeanty, WR Burden, DT/NT Grant

Grant will likely be a 20s guy, Jeanty top 15, Burden top 20.

 

[CowboyFrog]

Im gonna go out on a limb here and say this FO has made every contract they have signed for 30 years bad because they dont have a clue on how to build a winning team...fans then pick which players they like or dislike when at the end of the day it doesnt matter...This FO turns every coach/ player that comes here into a bad contract...period.