Now you all see why blaming Dak's contract was foolish, right?

[VaqueroTD]

I thought Jimmy Johnson said it best. Why are you paying this guy as the highest NFL player when you have one year to see the results?

 

[thunderpimp91]

I thought Jimmy Johnson said it best. Why are you paying this guy as the highest NFL player when you have one year to see the results?

Yeah thats a really good point. Worst case his stock would only have gone up from the bump in the cap. I'm sure he still wouldnt have come "cheap", but coming off a bad year plus the hamstring injury I'm sure he would have been at least closer to Kirk Cousins money than Burrow money.

 

[ryanbabs]

That yacht much has costed way more that we all realize…

 

[NotForLong]

I'm not disagreeing that the Cowboys have cheap ownership and significant issues with the philosophy of the front office. With that said though I don't think it justifies Daks contract. If you're on a tight budget it typically doesn't make sense to go and buy an expensive car when a used Honda Civic can still get you from point A to point B.

Contract 2 to Contract 3 is an important factor here because it compounds the problems from contract 2. Here is the Cowboys free agent spending from 2020-2023...

2020 - FA spend $49M, Dak Cap hit $17M
2021 - $37M, $17M
2022 - $42M, $19M
2023 - $47M, $26M

Its not where fans want it to be, but thats significantly better than the $18M they spent in 2024, while Dak carried a $44M cap hit. Ultimately the free agency spending still seems to at least partially correlate to the QB contract.

I get it...Philly is throwing money at their problems to make them go away and loading up on talent at the same time. Jerry has the resources to do the same, but the reality of it is that the Cowboys will never be doing what Philly is though and we need to accept that. Jerry cares way more about making this team profitable than he does racking up championships. Other teams are doing whatever it takes to generate additional cash including selling minority stakes of the team. IMO the Cowboys need to be operating like a mid market team in baseball....You have enough money to lock up a few players strategically, but need to have a bit of a moneyball mindset to find methods of building your roster that other teams are not doing yet. There are several ways to approach this, but I think remaining flexible at the QB position is a very underrated way to approach roster building for a team that is going to play the cap fairly as is.

I'm all for knocking Jerry, he 100% deserves it. I simply think signing Dak knowing that you dont intend on spending money elsewhere is a massive failure that gives the team almost zero chance of competing.

Even worse then buying an expensive car when a Civic would get you from point A to B is buying a Civic for the price of an expensive car

 

[NotForLong]

Then the DA’s turn around and sign our own mediocre players like great ones. They don’t like or understand FA and it shows. Our struggles aren’t over once JJ goes to visit his ol’ buddy Johnny Walker in Heaven.

At least we can take enjoyment in Stephen crashing and burning. The Media will not give him a pass, with Jerry gone it will be a feeding frenzy

 

[NotForLong]

Wait until Dak's next injury. Wonder if Jerry will still think it is a great deal. How will he spin it.
It was a horrible decision and contract.

Any news if he is even lightly jogging yet, or is he still walking around that rubble from his house telling the media to go away.

I am sure Jerry has buyers remorse now. I find it amusing that they were checking Dak's hand when he left the field but he was out for the year?with a hamstring. Any signs of struggling, and he will, it will be IR for the year again

We all know that is incoming. I hope we get a semi decent backup to rally around

 

[Jarntt]

I'm sorry but the premise of this thread doesn't make any sense. Don't take that as me saying the Jones Boyz do spend money in free agency. They aren't mutually exclusive. Giving that huge deal to Dak when and how they did it just highlights their incompetence as does the ridiculous way they handle outside free agents and pretty much everything else

 

[NotForLong]

How is it hard? You mean the top 5 defense cant get a turnover on the other team? Sounds like mayyyyyyyybe they aren't really top 5? Nahhhhhh you are making sense. My bad

A a football fan I find it hard to believe you do not understand the effects that turnovers and 3 and outs have on a defense. So I believe you are being deliberately obtuse in order to maintain your point

Look what happened against the 7 seed last year all based upon the performance of Dak. Yet obtuse people want to blame the defense because of a stat . . . The scoreboard. That result wasn't caused by the Coach, offense or the defense, all the blame goes on one man . . . Dak

Yet obtuse people can claim a win because of the final stats. Dak's were impressive. Only a Robot or purposely obtuse person would be purposely blind

Then Jerry do what Jerry do and broke the bank paying on an inept QB and here we are listening to your arguments as to why Dak is not to blame

People blame Jerry for paying the contract but lets not forget how much Jerry has embraced Analytics. You know, the echo from the internet. So I include those Dak huggers for all those posts the last 9 years.

If you were all speaking and posting the truth instead of making every excuse to defend him. The analytics would have told Jerry to cut the anchor loose

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

You’re gonna get ripped for that but I agree. They wait to long to sign QBs and of course your starting franchise QB is going to get the biggest newest contract. Parson will be next. All QBs in the league are over paid. They need to put a % on each position of what they can get paid. It will help the FO work with these agents.

It has nothing to do with how long they waited.

It has everything to do with them committing to a loser QB.

Dak at 20 million a year would still be bad for the Cowboys because it’s Dak.

 

[nate dizzle]

Yeah thats a really good point. Worst case his stock would only have gone up from the bump in the cap. I'm sure he still wouldnt have come "cheap", but coming off a bad year plus the hamstring injury I'm sure he would have been at least closer to Kirk Cousins money than Burrow money.

Even better, they likely would have let him walk after this past year after seeing how he performed and how slow and immobile he has become, and we would be starting the replacement process this year instead of 2 years from now.

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

Wait until Dak's next injury. Wonder if Jerry will still think it is a great deal. How will he spin it.
It was a horrible decision and contract.

Any news if he is even lightly jogging yet, or is he still walking around that rubble from his house telling the media to go away.

Jerry already regrets it.

You heard him say before Daks injury that he expects more out of the QB position.

You heard him after Daks injury say that he thought the offense would look better with Cooper Rush (that ended up being true).

He’ll never flat out admit it, but he’ll crack every now and then.

 

[kskboys]

Even better, they likely would have let him walk after this past year after seeing how he performed and how slow and immobile he has become, and we would be starting the replacement process this year instead of 2 years from now.

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[kskboys]

A a football fan I find it hard to believe you do not understand the effects that turnovers and 3 and outs have on a defense. So I believe you are being deliberately obtuse in order to maintain your point

Look what happened against the 7 seed last year all based upon the performance of Dak. Yet obtuse people want to blame the defense because of a stat . . . The scoreboard. That result wasn't caused by the Coach, offense or the defense, all the blame goes on one man . . . Dak

Yet obtuse people can claim a win because of the final stats. Dak's were impressive. Only a Robot or purposely obtuse person would be purposely blind

Then Jerry do what Jerry do and broke the bank paying on an inept QB and here we are listening to your arguments as to why Dak is not to blame

People blame Jerry for paying the contract but lets not forget how much Jerry has embraced Analytics. You know, the echo from the internet. So I include those Dak huggers for all those posts the last 9 years.

If you were all speaking and posting the truth instead of making every excuse to defend him. The analytics would have told Jerry to cut the anchor loose

Well said.

Dak was absolutely horrible in the 1st half. It was 27-7 at the half. 41-16 at the end of the 3rd. We were never in this game. GB went into prevent, letting Dak complete passes as long as they took time to do it.

And those 7 pts before the half were greatly assisted by 2 key penalties, not to mention a dropped INT.

 

[CowboyFrog]

Its still just a chicken/egg argument, this FO has made every contract they have done for 29 years look wasted, why would you expect this one to be any different....fans seem to latch onto players they like and dislike when at the end of the day no player can justify his contract here because this FO doesnt know how to build a winning team regardless. the QB's fall in 2 fan colums now "I like him so he is worth" or "I dont like him so its a bad contract" when at the end of the day this FO has turned everyone of them into "He cant win in the playoffs so the contract isnt worth it"...at every position to be honest, if you like the player youll use stats to make it seem ok if you dont you tell me not to use stats but tell me what they have won...when in the end none have won anything...

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

A a football fan I find it hard to believe you do not understand the effects that turnovers and 3 and outs have on a defense. So I believe you are being deliberately obtuse in order to maintain your point

Look what happened against the 7 seed last year all based upon the performance of Dak. Yet obtuse people want to blame the defense because of a stat . . . The scoreboard. That result wasn't caused by the Coach, offense or the defense, all the blame goes on one man . . . Dak

Yet obtuse people can claim a win because of the final stats. Dak's were impressive. Only a Robot or purposely obtuse person would be purposely blind

Then Jerry do what Jerry do and broke the bank paying on an inept QB and here we are listening to your arguments as to why Dak is not to blame

People blame Jerry for paying the contract but lets not forget how much Jerry has embraced Analytics. You know, the echo from the internet. So I include those Dak huggers for all those posts the last 9 years.

If you were all speaking and posting the truth instead of making every excuse to defend him. The analytics would have told Jerry to cut the anchor loose

The people that say "Dak doesn't play defense"...just being foolish trying to protect Dak.

Right...he does not play defense...but he CAN make it easy...or hard...on them.

Offense controls the ball, the clock...does a little earlys coring...is a different game for the defense.

 

[NotForLong]

The people that say "Dak doesn't play defense"...just being foolish trying to protect Dak.

Right...he does not play defense...but he CAN make it easy...or hard...on them.

Offense controls the ball, the clock...does a little earlys coring...is a different game for the defense.

Of course and the defense is built to play with a lead in order to create pressure and force the opposing QB into making turnovers

Dak knows this which is why it makes it even worse. All he has to do is play smart but he never does

 

[NotForLong]

It has nothing to do with how long they waited.

It has everything to do with them committing to a loser QB.

Dak at 20 million a year would still be bad for the Cowboys because it’s Dak.

Not necessarily. At $20 million a year the Cowboys could afford to pay him to hide on the bench after he taps out for the season. As the highest paid in league history they are left with Cooper as the starter

 

[CowboyFrog]

The people that say "Dak doesn't play defense"...just being foolish trying to protect Dak.

Right...he does not play defense...but he CAN make it easy...or hard...on them.

Offense controls the ball, the clock...does a little earlys coring...is a different game for the defense.

but its the same as trying to argue any contract this FO has done in 28 years payed off, like i said if you like the player youll use stats to tell me why they were good, if you dont youll ask me how they won in the playoffs when at the end of the day not one player has won anything in the playoffs with this FO...not even saying your wrong or right but its just a question of do you like them enough to defend them...

 

[NotForLong]

Even better, they likely would have let him walk after this past year after seeing how he performed and how slow and immobile he has become, and we would be starting the replacement process this year instead of 2 years from now.

And more then likely they would have played Lance and gave him an honest evaluation. He may or my not have an NFL career but at least the Cowboys would know where they stand with him

Instead they tried to hide him on the bench while we wasted a year with Rush

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

but its the same as trying to argue any contract this FO has done in 28 years payed off, like i said if you like the player youll use stats to tell me why they were good, if you dont youll ask me how they won in the playoffs when at the end of the day not one player has won anything in the playoffs with this FO...not even saying your wrong or right but its just a question of do you like them enough to defend them...

But of course there's no defending FO. Very little defending of coaches.

I still expect Dallas Cowboys players to play with urgency and excellence. We have "the system"...and we have some of the best to ever play football...in the general sense of life.