Now you all see why blaming Dak's contract was foolish, right?

[GINeric]

The inability to actually evaluate Dak honestly and treat him like a superstar when he is just an average QB at best is a symptom of the Jones’ stupidity

I can't disagree with your post except the "average quarterback" thing. Dak isn't elite but he's definitely above average.

If that's the case, explain how just an average quarterback can be a perennial top 10 qb, become All Pro and an MVP candidate?

If it's that easy to do, then give me a few names of other average quarterbacks who are perennial top 10 their whole career, became an All-Pro and MVP candidate?

What are these quarterbacks names? Or is Dak the first average quarterback in history to have done these things?

 

[CowboyoWales]

I can't disagree with your post except the "average quarterback" thing. Dak isn't elite but he's definitely above average.

If that's the case, explain how just an average quarterback can be a perennial top 10 qb, become All Pro and an MVP candidate?

If it's that easy to do, then give me a few names of other average quarterbacks who are perennial top 10 their whole career, became an All-Pro and MVP candidate?

What are these quarterbacks names? Or is Dak the first average quarterback in history to have done these things?

MVP candidate ....if you're counting that vote (which wouldn't of been given if voting was after the play-offs), let's even it up with his average/below average figures in 2024.

 

[Hadenough]

I can't disagree with your post except the "average quarterback" thing. Dak isn't elite but he's definitely above average.

If that's the case, explain how just an average quarterback can be a perennial top 10 qb, become All Pro and an MVP candidate?

If it's that easy to do, then give me a few names of other average quarterbacks who are perennial top 10 their whole career, became an All-Pro and MVP candidate?

What are these quarterbacks names? Or is Dak the first average quarterback in history to have done these things?

It's very hard to rate Dak as an overall QB.
Up until this season he was above average regular season QB. You could make a case for around 10. But his post season play has been very poor. You can blame the defense and the running game but it still doesn't take away from him being bad. Like bottom 10 QBs. For comparison the commanders had a bad defense but Jaylen Daniels still kept drives alive and continued to move the ball controlling time of possession and beat some good teams in the playoffs.
Dak has a ceiling and you have to average in his poor play and rule out these stats he puts together after going cold for 3 quarters of the game when the other team takes it's foot off thier throat.

 

[jay94]

When he even gets more slow and older, lets at least let him test the market, he better have 3 good seasons in a row to have me consider otherwise. One thing I know will only get worse with time is his mobility and it seemed nearly non existent this year, I'm sure the o-line did him no favors. Dak isn't good enough to command top salary in the league.

 

[GINeric]

It's very hard to rate Dak as an overall QB.
Up until this season he was above average regular season QB. You could make a case for around 10. But his post season play has been very poor. You can blame the defense and the running game but it still doesn't take away from him being bad. Like bottom 10 QBs. For comparison the commanders had a bad defense but Jaylen Daniels still kept drives alive and continued to move the ball controlling time of possession and beat some good teams in the playoffs.
Dak has a ceiling and you have to average in his poor play and rule out these stats he puts together after going cold for 3 quarters of the game when the other team takes it's foot off thier throat.

Daniels is a special quarterback, no doubt. I expect Daniels to have a better career than Dak because he has a better front office than Dak ever had.

With that said, Daniels being a 1st round draft pick is supposed to be better than Dak, a 4th round draft pick starting out, correct?

Now Dak, a 4th round drafted quarterback has actually outplayed many other 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round drafted quarterbacks. We kinda overlook that fact. Again, Daniels was a better collegiate quarterback with better overall skills than Dak. That young guy is special.

I expect Daniels to have a better career than Dak for many reasons.... but we can also say that Daniels had a better year than many quarterbacks in the top 10, including Dak.

 

[GINeric]

MVP candidate ....if you're counting that vote (which wouldn't of been given if voting was after the play-offs), let's even it up with his average/below average figures in 2024.

Ok that's fair. One vote, a thousand votes, it doesn't matter. He was voted as an MVP candidate.

So maybe you can just answer the original question....

If it's easy for average quarterbacks like Dak to be perennial top 10, become an MVP candidate and All-Pro, give me the names of other average quarterbacks throughout NFL history who are perennial top 10, received any MVP votes and had All-Pro seasons.

That's a clear cut question. What's the other average quarterback names that have done these things since its so easy to do?

 

[Johannes44]

I can't disagree with your post except the "average quarterback" thing. Dak isn't elite but he's definitely above average.

If that's the case, explain how just an average quarterback can be a perennial top 10 qb, become All Pro and an MVP candidate?

If it's that easy to do, then give me a few names of other average quarterbacks who are perennial top 10 their whole career, became an All-Pro and MVP candidate?

What are these quarterbacks names? Or is Dak the first average quarterback in history to have done these things?

Dak Prescott has a history of beating up the weak teams and looking like he has never played the QB position against good teams. That is the very definition of an average QB. Now I can understand that beating up on the weak teams is expected. But good QB's don't wax between - playing really well vs looking like you can't even make the most basic of throws, an above average QB flat out does not look that lost.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

MVP candidate ....if you're counting that vote (which wouldn't of been given if voting was after the play-offs), let's even it up with his average/below average figures in 2024.

you dismiss it now, but prior to that, people brought up the fact, he has never been in consideration of an MVP as another way to knock Dak.
now, its who cares.

I never cared for it before or after.

 

[StylisticS]

Oh, and here are Dak's stats for the 1st half: 87 passing yds/1 TD/2 INTs. One was a pick 6.

And what did Dak say after the game? "I was terrible tonight."

Those volume passing yards after the game was already decided mean absolutely nothing.

It's funny because that is how most of his first half games are in the playoffs. He failed to reach 90 yards passing in the first half in 4 out of his last 5 playoff games.

2018 vs Rams 8-13 87 yards 1 TD
2021 vs 49ers 9-16 89 yards 1 TD
2022 vs 49ers 12-16 81 yards 0 TDs 2 INTs
2024 vs Packers 13-21 87 yards 1 TD 2 INTs

That's pathetic.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Daniels is a special quarterback, no doubt. I expect Daniels to have a better career than Dak because he has a better front office than Dak ever had.

With that said, Daniels being a 1st round draft pick is supposed to be better than Dak, a 4th round draft pick starting out, correct?

Now Dak, a 4th round drafted quarterback has actually outplayed many other 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round drafted quarterbacks. We kinda overlook that fact. Again, Daniels was a better collegiate quarterback with better overall skills than Dak. That young guy is special.

I expect Daniels to have a better career than Dak for many reasons.... but we can also say that Daniels had a better year than many quarterbacks in the top 10, including Dak.

I think it's been proven time and time again...the draft position doesn't always corollate to performance.

Romo was undrafted. How much better is Dak SUPPOSED to be over him?

 

[CowboyoWales]

you dismiss it now, but prior to that, people brought up the fact, he has never been in consideration of an MVP as another way to knock Dak.
now, its who cares.

I never cared for it before or after.

I do dismiss it now, the same as you do, however, the point was made by someone advocating for Dak.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

I do dismiss it now, the same as you do, however, the point was made by someone advocating for Dak.

I know. but my point was, prior to this, the anti-dak crowd mentioned he has never been a real MVP candidate..

the knife cuts both ways

 

[CowboyoWales]

I know. but my point was, prior to this, the anti-dak crowd mentioned he has never been a real MVP candidate..

the knife cuts both ways

He was hardly a candidate that year, he didn't poll any 1st votes. It's an irrelevancy, as is where a QB is ranked or the Dak v Romo arguments.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

He was hardly a candidate that year, he didn't poll any 1st votes. It's an irrelevancy, as is where a QB is ranked or the Dak v Romo arguments.

like I said, prior people said he isn't even considered. now, its irrelevant and he didn't get first place votes.

regardless, both parties are wrong

 

[Vtwin]

It's funny because that is how most of his first half games are in the playoffs. He failed to reach 90 yards passing in the first half in 4 out of his last 5 playoff games.

2018 vs Rams 8-13 87 yards 1 TD
2021 vs 49ers 9-16 89 yards 1 TD
2022 vs 49ers 12-16 81 yards 0 TDs 2 INTs
2024 vs Packers 13-21 87 yards 1 TD 2 INTs

That's pathetic.

It's crazy the lack of honest scrutiny his fans will give him. He flat out sucked through most of three quarters in the Rams game as well as the Packers game, but he gets no blame whatsoever from his fans.

One gal here just recently stated that he "played like Staubach" in the Packers game.

 

[CowboyoWales]

Ok that's fair. One vote, a thousand votes, it doesn't matter. He was voted as an MVP candidate.

So maybe you can just answer the original question....

If it's easy for average quarterbacks like Dak to be perennial top 10, become an MVP candidate and All-Pro, give me the names of other average quarterbacks throughout NFL history who are perennial top 10, received any MVP votes and had All-Pro seasons.

That's a clear cut question. What's the other average quarterback names that have done these things since its so easy to do?

Well Dak doesn't even fit your criteria. Below average in pretty much every stat last year. Indeed, Dak could be Ranked no.1 in every category, but his ability to capitulate when pressure's on in the play-offs, will still override everything else.

 

[kskboys]

It's crazy the lack of honest scrutiny his fans will give him. He flat out sucked through most of three quarters in the Rams game as well as the Packers game, but he gets no blame whatsoever from his fans.

One gal here just recently stated that he "played like Staubach" in the Packers game.

Gawdawmighty, that's just bad. How anyone can say that Dak wasn't horribly awful in the last Packers playoff game speaks to brain issues. Even Dak himself declared he was terrible in that game.

When you spin that hard, then it gets to where no one believes anything you say.

 

[kskboys]

you dismiss it now, but prior to that, people brought up the fact, he has never been in consideration of an MVP as another way to knock Dak.
now, its who cares.

I never cared for it before or after.

Beyond any doubt whatsoever. It's an empty award that means less than nothing.

Using it as an argument point either way is just so weak.

 

[StylisticS]

It's crazy the lack of honest scrutiny his fans will give him. He flat out sucked through most of three quarters in the Rams game as well as the Packers game, but he gets no blame whatsoever from his fans.

One gal here just recently stated that he "played like Staubach" in the Packers game.

After the first drive against the Rams, he practically did nothing the rest of the half. Could not sustain a drive at all putting the defense back on the field. It's obvious the Rams wanted to key on Zeke and this QB did nothing to beat that in that half. He was ok at best against the Rams because he did make a couple plays in the 2nd half. But by no means was he spectacular in that Rams game but everybody puts that game on the defense giving up 200 yards on the ground and Zeke not being able to run in that game.

 

[GINeric]

Well Dak doesn't even fit your criteria. Below average in pretty much every stat last year. Indeed, Dak could be Ranked no.1 in every category, but his ability to capitulate when pressure's on in the play-offs, will still override everything else.

And I respect what you're saying.... but what are the names of the average quarterbacks in NFL history who has been a perennial top 10 qb, became All Pro and an MVP candidate??

What are these average quarterbacks names since it's easy for average quarterbacks to achieve those things. You mean to tell me nothing other average quarterbacks have done those things?

Dak is the first?