***Official Fire Garrett thread***

[Idgit]

Serious question, Idgit... are you still on the JG bandwagon? I usually enjoy your posts and thoughts on the Boys, but your JG homerism is inexplicable to me. Surely after tonight you see where everyone else is coming from?

First, thanks for asking politely, without an insult.

95% of the time, when people complain about play calling for a coach--any coach--they're complaining about the outcome of a play, and not the actual play call, because they don't really know what was called, or what the adjustment might have been, or why. I usually disregard all of that sort of criticism out of hand.

With our team right now, in my opinion, the overwhelming problem is the defense, and, withe the LB corps in a shambles, it's worse than it was. I don't have much hope for fixing it the next two weeks, either. That's not an injury excuse, per sec. We didn't have enough depth, we were relying on a scheme where DL play was essential. We lost some good players, and some of our great players became very ordinarily, very fast. But, whatever, the defense is a disaster.

So, I don't think the coaching is the problem, still. That said, not running the ball in the fourth quarter was just dumb, and I don't care what the defense was giving us. So, to that extent, I absolutely sympathize with everybody else.

As for the first drive Joe Buck would not shut up about, where they tried the swing pass on first down, and Murray dropped it...I'd have definitely run it there on first down, but I don't think that the pass was a particularly bad call. It was a high percentage pass, and Murray was in a position to get yardage from it if he'd held onto it. I was torn on running it on 2nd down, after. I didn't have a huge problem with the pass, but I think I'd probably have tried the run. Of course, the defense was expecting run. Then again, I'm not one to worry about balance when you've got an effective passing game.

The bigger issue, I think, is that you just can't keep falling short and not eventually lose the team. Now, we've got to make so many personnel--and maybe scheme changes--on defense. It's getting to the point where there are too many variables to predict what could happen next year. And if we don't show progress--and quickly--I think Garrett's in danger of losing the team. I don't like it. I still think he's a good coach, and I think he'll get a chance and be successful elsewhere, eventually. It doesn't bother me if I'm the only poster left on the board who thinks this way, either. I've been wrong before, and I will be, again, at some point. But, yeah, largely, I think people just complain about the QB and the HC when a team doesn't win, without too much regard for the quality of the QB play or the coaching. I think that's mostly what's going on here. That said, I do think we would have probably won this game today if we'd run the ball in the obvious running situations, and I don't buy the excuses for why we did not.

 

[TimHortons]

Anybody?

Even one?

Where's @Hostile when you need him?!

 

[Beast_from_East]

Where's @Hostile when you need him?!

Poor guy is probably crying himself to sleep tonight........................even he knows Garrett is gone at this point......................its one thing for fans to say the game management is inexcusable, but when a Cowboy legend like Aikman says the game management is inexcusable...............you cant dismiss that.

I really do feel bad for Hostile, he wanted Garrett to succeed so bad.....................he even made me a sig bet that Garrett would win the division and have a winning record this year......................looks like he is going to lose that as well.

 

[Idgit]

Where's @Hostile when you need him?!

After a loss like today's, a lot of posters stay away from the site, or at least don't actively post. It's no fun getting caught up in the wake from a bunch of really unhappy fans. I'm sure come Thursday or Friday there will be plenty of debate about Jason Garrett's future.

 

[Beast_from_East]

After a loss like today's, a lot of posters stay away from the site, or at least don't actively post. It's no fun getting caught up in the wake from a bunch of really unhappy fans. I'm sure come Thursday or Friday there will be plenty of debate about Jason Garrett's future.

Dont think anybody's opinion is going to change by Thursday or Friday..................Garrett blew this game with horrendous game management, even Aikman said the game management was inexcusable.

There is absolutely no reason for Garrett to remain head coach of this team if we do not make the playoffs.........................NONE.

 

[Tabascocat]

I have never been shy of my dislike for Garrett. Can go back to day one of his hire and I thought it was the wrong decision then. Over time, I grew angrier and angrier watching him on the sidelines learning how to be a coach. Now, I am just apathetic. He may or may not be fired, who knows with Jerry.

I think Garrett is our worst HC in history, even Campo seemed to do more with a lot less talent. But that is neither here nor there, it doesn't matter. What matters is.......will Jerry see what fans are seeing and make a change at the end of the season? I really don't know but I also see no way he can sell him to the fans again.

Our next coach might end up being horrible as well, but at least I won't have to look at Jason anymore clapping and smiling. He makes me sick to my stomach from sight alone. He has done nothing in his career to warrant to be the head coach of the Dallas Cowboys.

Bring in anyone, I don't care who but I want new blood to pick on if need be. Jerry is probably(he is) the main reason we can't get over the hump but Garrett sure is not the answer. There are many HS coaches out there that would not blow sure games like he has. We could easily be sitting at 9-5 with a competent coach.

If he is fired, it will not be until the end of the season. There is no one to fill in as interim like Wade did in Houston. Callahan, Kiffin and Marinelli are not even fill-ins for a game or two. If we were eliminated, then maybe Callahan would finish it up.

Garrett dug his grave and now he has to lie in it. Lets hope the Jones dynasty sees that as well but I would not bet on it.

 

[Hoofbite]

It really shouldn't even be a question at this point. You can't just keep having a team flop over and over and over again. Something has to change.

At this point the question of whether or not Garrett will figure it out is no longer about "when he'll figure it" but rather "if he'll ever figure it out", and with each of these debacles I think the question of whether or not he even can figure it out starts to creep into the picture.

Raised in a football environment because of his dad, played at Princeton, and then went on to have a career in the pros. This guy has done nothing but live football his entire life and yet here we are seeing him struggle with game management over and over and over again.

If his previous experiences haven't granted him any sort of insight on game management, and his previous falters haven't given him a moment of pause and evaluation, what in the hell will it take for him to finally get beyond costing his team victories?

Honestly, how many more of these types of disasters can we expect before he's done processing the fundamentals of game management?

 

[Beast_from_East]

It really shouldn't even be a question at this point. You can't just keep having a team flop over and over and over again. Something has to change.

At this point the question of whether or not Garrett will figure it out is no longer about "when he'll figure it" but rather "if he'll ever figure it out", and with each of these debacles I think the question of whether or not he even can figure it out starts to creep into the picture.

Raised in a football environment because of his dad, played at Princeton, and then went on to have a career in the pros. This guy has done nothing but live football his entire life and yet here we are seeing him struggle with game management over and over and over again.

If his previous experiences haven't granted him any sort of insight on game management, and his previous falters haven't given him a moment of pause and evaluation, what in the hell will it take for him to finally get beyond costing his team victories?

Honestly, how many more of these types of disasters can we expect before he's done processing the fundamentals of game management?

Hopefully 2 more games and we will never have to look at that loser on our sidelines ever again.

 

[Roadtrip635]

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[DOUBLE WING]

First, thanks for asking politely, without an insult.

95% of the time, when people complain about play calling for a coach--any coach--they're complaining about the outcome of a play, and not the actual play call, because they don't really know what was called, or what the adjustment might have been, or why. I usually disregard all of that sort of criticism out of hand.

With our team right now, in my opinion, the overwhelming problem is the defense, and, withe the LB corps in a shambles, it's worse than it was. I don't have much hope for fixing it the next two weeks, either. That's not an injury excuse, per sec. We didn't have enough depth, we were relying on a scheme where DL play was essential. We lost some good players, and some of our great players became very ordinarily, very fast. But, whatever, the defense is a disaster.

So, I don't think the coaching is the problem, still. That said, not running the ball in the fourth quarter was just dumb, and I don't care what the defense was giving us. So, to that extent, I absolutely sympathize with everybody else.

As for the first drive Joe Buck would not shut up about, where they tried the swing pass on first down, and Murray dropped it...I'd have definitely run it there on first down, but I don't think that the pass was a particularly bad call. It was a high percentage pass, and Murray was in a position to get yardage from it if he'd held onto it. I was torn on running it on 2nd down, after. I didn't have a huge problem with the pass, but I think I'd probably have tried the run. Of course, the defense was expecting run. Then again, I'm not one to worry about balance when you've got an effective passing game.

The bigger issue, I think, is that you just can't keep falling short and not eventually lose the team. Now, we've got to make so many personnel--and maybe scheme changes--on defense. It's getting to the point where there are too many variables to predict what could happen next year. And if we don't show progress--and quickly--I think Garrett's in danger of losing the team. I don't like it. I still think he's a good coach, and I think he'll get a chance and be successful elsewhere, eventually. It doesn't bother me if I'm the only poster left on the board who thinks this way, either. I've been wrong before, and I will be, again, at some point. But, yeah, largely, I think people just complain about the QB and the HC when a team doesn't win, without too much regard for the quality of the QB play or the coaching. I think that's mostly what's going on here. That said, I do think we would have probably won this game today if we'd run the ball in the obvious running situations, and I don't buy the excuses for why we did not.

The problem with the personnel argument, and there is a valid one to be made, is that the majority of these guys were brought in under Garrett's watch. Our two starting corners (when Claiborne is healthy), two of our starting d-lineman, our linebackers outside of Sean Lee and all our safeties. These guys were all brought in under the Garrett regime as part of his rebuild. So if they aren't being coached up right, or just don't pan out for whatever reason, it has to fall on Garrett. Lord knows it ain't the GM's fault.

 

[Everlastingxxx]

Garrett has lost the team (if he actually ever had it). Threw the franchise QB under the bus. Star WR doesn't respect him. Defense that has imploded and has lost all confidence. Garrett's Head Coaching career is over.

 

[Fredd]

All I can think is that this team reminds of someone that is a first time fisherman (JJ)...he finally gets a nibble and then struggles to get the fish up on the deck (building the team). Once you do, you are afraid to touch that slimy thing (talk a good game but blame everyone but yourself)...thus, it just flops and flops and flops around on the deck until it dies right in front of you (no analogy needed here I assume)....the REAL problem at this point is that the fish now stinks up the place because no one else on the boat (coaching staff) knows what to do with it and is waiting for the angler (JJ) to tell them what to do....since he is clueless, the entire boat stinks but no one wants to tell the fisherman since it his boat and they are afraid that they are going to be cast overboard. Everyone is just hopeful that if they remain quiet, they can just let the angler get drunk and let someone else drive the boat back to port where they can leave quietly and not stir the pot.

 

[Hoov]

Poor guy is probably crying himself to sleep tonight........................even he knows Garrett is gone at this point......................its one thing for fans to say the game management is inexcusable, but when a Cowboy legend like Aikman says the game management is inexcusable...............you cant dismiss that.

I really do feel bad for Hostile, he wanted Garrett to succeed so bad.....................he even made me a sig bet that Garrett would win the division and have a winning record this year......................looks like he is going to lose that as well.

They also talked about how much time romo had and how well he was protected - joe buck again and again calling the game by game, Romo well protected and.....incomplete. They talked about guys being open, they talked about how good the run game was and how many plays went for greater than 10 yards but how the cowboys could only get field goals so green bay was still in the game. IMO this game was much more a failure by romo than coaching.

 

[Smith22]

I'm done with the JG era. Its time to move on. The guy is a piss poor game manager, whether it be timeouts, running the ball, etc. Jerry needs to relinquish the GM title and admit he failed in his role as GM. Kiffin needs to be shown the door as well. I know we have injuries, but 32nd rated defense? Seriously. Sad times for our fan base.

 

[Hoov]

First, thanks for asking politely, without an insult.

95% of the time, when people complain about play calling for a coach--any coach--they're complaining about the outcome of a play, and not the actual play call, because they don't really know what was called, or what the adjustment might have been, or why. I usually disregard all of that sort of criticism out of hand.

With our team right now, in my opinion, the overwhelming problem is the defense, and, withe the LB corps in a shambles, it's worse than it was. I don't have much hope for fixing it the next two weeks, either. That's not an injury excuse, per sec. We didn't have enough depth, we were relying on a scheme where DL play was essential. We lost some good players, and some of our great players became very ordinarily, very fast. But, whatever, the defense is a disaster.

So, I don't think the coaching is the problem, still. That said, not running the ball in the fourth quarter was just dumb, and I don't care what the defense was giving us. So, to that extent, I absolutely sympathize with everybody else.

As for the first drive Joe Buck would not shut up about, where they tried the swing pass on first down, and Murray dropped it...I'd have definitely run it there on first down, but I don't think that the pass was a particularly bad call. It was a high percentage pass, and Murray was in a position to get yardage from it if he'd held onto it. I was torn on running it on 2nd down, after. I didn't have a huge problem with the pass, but I think I'd probably have tried the run. Of course, the defense was expecting run. Then again, I'm not one to worry about balance when you've got an effective passing game.

The bigger issue, I think, is that you just can't keep falling short and not eventually lose the team. Now, we've got to make so many personnel--and maybe scheme changes--on defense. It's getting to the point where there are too many variables to predict what could happen next year. And if we don't show progress--and quickly--I think Garrett's in danger of losing the team. I don't like it. I still think he's a good coach, and I think he'll get a chance and be successful elsewhere, eventually. It doesn't bother me if I'm the only poster left on the board who thinks this way, either. I've been wrong before, and I will be, again, at some point. But, yeah, largely, I think people just complain about the QB and the HC when a team doesn't win, without too much regard for the quality of the QB play or the coaching. I think that's mostly what's going on here. That said, I do think we would have probably won this game today if we'd run the ball in the obvious running situations, and I don't buy the excuses for why we did not.

If garrett leaves or is fired i too think he will have success elsewhere. As fas as the cowboys having success with a new coach and Romo...i think it will be more of the same. Quick starts to the season from new gameplan, teams watch some tape, take away the plays Romo likes and force him to look elsewhere which results in ineptitude and romo pointing blame at O-Lineman or receiver.

 

[VThokie7]

If garrett leaves or is fired i too think he will have success elsewhere. As fas as the cowboys having success with a new coach and Romo...i think it will be more of the same. Quick starts to the season from new gameplan, teams watch some tape, take away the plays Romo likes and force him to look elsewhere which results in ineptitude and romo pointing blame at O-Lineman or receiver.

If he leaves I bet you he doesn't even find an OC gig. He is actually going to have to work his way back up like he should've from the beginning.

 

[Hoov]

If he leaves I bet you he doesn't even find an OC gig. He is actually going to have to work his way back up like he should've from the beginning.

I dont beleive that

 

[KB1122]

So I've generally been pro-Garrett. And given where it started, I think he's done a good job, on the whole. But you can't have games like this, and we're not advancing at this point.

But ultimately, any coach that isn't willing to give Romo competition is going to fail. He's a coach killer.

 

[KB1122]

Also, I'm surprised the play-calling by committee has taken this long to implode. I figured at the beginning of the season that we'd go 5-11 after the coach, OC and qb all started to fight for play-calling control due to the Jones' ridiculous offseason decisions.

 

[Risen Star]

So.....did anything interesting happen over the weekend?