Official Review Week 10 with Mike Periera

[Hypnotoad]

Indeed, but no one can say that he is not being consistent. When he referred to the Broncos/Jets example, he drew on an established precedent. We can knock the referee crew who officiated last Sunday's game, but ultimately the ref cannot be blamed if the league approves of this particular outcome by rule regarding a recovered fumble. There is not any question that the refs themselves should do better calling games, but in this instance, the language behind the rule must be modified to remove the nonsense first.

He showed the Jets/Broncos fumble as if it justified the wrongness of the call. The call was wrong in that game and wrong in ours. The refs are too blame because they didn't blow the whistle fast enough. When the packers fumbled it near the end of the 2nd quarter, the whistle blew quickly, but when we did it sure did take a while.

I just don't see how they can be forgiven for this. They needed to accept blame and fix the rule back when the Broncos/Jets did it. If there is clear evidence of a team recovering the ball they should be able to recover it.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

He showed the Jets/Broncos fumble as if it justified the wrongness of the call. The call was wrong in that game and wrong in ours. The refs are too blame because they didn't blow the whistle fast enough. When the packers fumbled it near the end of the 2nd quarter, the whistle blew quickly, but when we did it sure did take a while.

I just don't see how they can be forgiven for this. They needed to accept blame and fix the rule back when the Broncos/Jets did it. If there is clear evidence of a team recovering the ball they should be able to recover it.

Hypnotoad >>>> DallasEast

once again

 

[DallasEast]

He showed the Jets/Broncos fumble as if it justified the wrongness of the call. The call was wrong in that game and wrong in ours. The refs are too blame because they didn't blow the whistle fast enough. When the packers fumbled it near the end of the 2nd quarter, the whistle blew quickly, but when we did it sure did take a while.

Of course the call was wrong. It was blatantly wrong, but it doesn't take away from what the refs are hiding behind either. As long as the league can claim, "This is how it is", the refs can use it whenever and however they deem fit. That's the issue.

Even Rich Eisen tried (weakly) to point out the sheer illogic of the call. As long as the league allows the refs the authority to determine the recovery of fumbles in this fashion, this type of nonsense will resurface again and again.

 

[DallasEast]

Hypnotoad >>>> DallasEast

once again

I hope Smiles Austin bites off the tip of your nose with those choppers of his.

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[cowboyjoe]

Well company policy states that.....no matter what we see it means nothing....


Just get it right.

you got it, and they are getting away with it, basically all it is is covering up yet the commissioner goodell goofoff goodell i like to call him;
we have integrity in the nfl and all players, coaches and owners have a high standard to represent the NFL

but he sure doesnt hold the refs to that high standard does he?

sounds like a double standard to me, and goofoff goodell should be called on it

you did hear how now players are allowed to rip the ball out when a player is down on top of the ball didnt u

 

[Hypnotoad]

Hypnotoad >>>> DallasEast

once again

Cant disagree with logic like this

Of course the call was wrong. It was blatantly wrong, but it doesn't take away from what the refs are hiding behind either. As long as the league can claim, "This is how it is", the refs can use it whenever and however they deem fit. That's the issue.

Even Rich Eisen tried (weakly) to point out the sheer illogic of the call. As long as the league allows the refs the authority to determine the recovery of fumbles in this fashion, this type of nonsense will resurface again and again.

Agreed about Eisen. I think Periera was having a hard time explaining why this rule was right. He added words like 'in real time', 'i think', and even tried skirting the question by mentioning the jets and Denver game instead of giving his opinion on the call. When Eisen pressed him and asked 'if this was reviewable' he gave some BS explanation of how he did not maintain possession as if recovering a fumble is like making a catch.

If they don't blow the whistle fast enough any play can end up in a fumble. This is why they allow challenges to see when a QB/WR/RB was down. Its not like this never happens before, turnovers in this situation are often overturned.

Perhaps it just is laziness. Allow teams to waste their challenges on fumble recovery. If there is no disputable evidence to change the call, keep the call the same. Otherwise change the call. Is this type of challenge really all that different than spending 5 minutes challenging the spot of the ball on a 4th down? Periera was giving a reason why there will be 24 more challenges in a year regarding fumble recovery. What exactly is wrong with getting the call right? If a coach has a challenge let them use it.

 

[cowboyjoe]

Of course the call was wrong. It was blatantly wrong, but it doesn't take away from what the refs are hiding behind either. As long as the league can claim, "This is how it is", the refs can use it whenever and however they deem fit. That's the issue.

Even Rich Eisen tried (weakly) to point out the sheer illogic of the call. As long as the league allows the refs the authority to determine the recovery of fumbles in this fashion, this type of nonsense will resurface again and again.

Totally agree buddy, thats what im tryingto get all fans to see, that goodell is saying this is how it is and their is nothing that you can do about it fans;

he is wrong there, if we all stand up and let our voice be heard to the owners, the competition committee and goodell, then he has to do something about it; not try to cover it up

 

[percyhoward]

The only issue is why would a referee, standing within five yards of the play and able to see everything happen, determine that the ball wasn't recovered by Felix Jones.

Watch the replay and you'll see the ref raising the whistle to his mouth, and taking a step forward to mark the ball dead where Felix recovered it.

The question then becomes, if he was about to blow the whistle, signifying the end of the play, then what was it that might have happened after the play that could possibly make him change his mind?

His thinking went like this: "Play over...oh wait, there's a loose ball that I couldn't see because it was temporarily obscured by a player."

His conclusion: "Since the ball was obviously loose before I could see it, it must have come loose before I thought it did."

 

[DallasCowboysRule!]

Peirera always does this kind of stuff on official review. Regardless of how terrible the call was on the field he always finds a way to side with his official.

 

[craig71]

I bet Pereira has a picture of Goodell on his nightstand,every good company butt kisser has one.

Goodell is quick to levy fines against players or ownership for conduct he considers detrimental to the league.If bad officiating is not considered detrimental to the league and Goodell chooses to do nothing about it, the owners should consider relieving Goodell and Pereira of their duties ASAP.

Craig

 

[Hostile]

Here it is. I've been waiting to hear what Periera has to say and he doesn't disappoint.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-videos/09000d5d8144f81a/Official-Review-Week-10

At least for those who think it was a conspiracy against Dallas they give you a look at that play where the Jets were screwed over in the same fashion.

Tried to find the bonus coverage so I could hear his BS about the 3rd challenge but no luck yet.

Also, I didn't hear about Cleveland getting a 4th timeout. Wonder what he has to say about that one as well.

The only conspiracy against Dallas that I believe in is the Hall of Fame bias against some of our legends. It is disgusting.

 

[cowboyjoe]

Peirera always does this kind of stuff on official review. Regardless of how terrible the call was on the field he always finds a way to side with his official.

thats the problem too

 

[cowboyjoe]

I bet Pereira has a picture of Goodell on his nightstand,every good company butt kisser has one.

Goodell is quick to levy fines against players or ownership for conduct he considers detrimental to the league.If bad officiating is not considered detrimental to the league and Goodell chooses to do nothing about it, the owners should consider relieving Goodell and Pereira of their duties ASAP.

Craig

i sure wished they could, i still feel if fans raise enough of a stink and put some heat on the competition committe that decides on rules for refs and the owners, that they will put heat on the goodell

 

[TD-33]

Ok, and I went back and watched the end again.

Um, Dude, really? 1 out of 25 of these would be a clean review? Ok, this is a game changing play. That's what challenges are for. If they challenge this, and lose, they lose a challenge and a timeout... move on. They should make this a challengable/reviewable play. If a coach wants to waste one, let him waste it... but the 2 plays they showed, the Jets/Devner game, and Felix Jones... were both recovered by the fumbling team, only to get screwed over by the refs. It's right there, plain as day, and he is trying to tell us the sky is purple, and the grass is plaid, and it's so obviously plain to everyone but him. He's just being stubborn due to the rule, and doesn't want to say that the rule is wrong.

You nailed it.

 

[cowboyjoe]

The only conspiracy against Dallas that I believe in is the Hall of Fame bias against some of our legends. It is disgusting.

i dont feel that we have a hall of fame bias anymore, i did at one time, but now that rayfield wright and bob hayes got in, with emmitt smith coming up next year, (possibly darren woodson too) we have enough players in the hall of fame.

dont misunderstand me, i do feel that a few of the writers have an agenda against the cowboys, just like some refs and teams have an agenda against the cowboys, but its not like it was in other words

some of the writers have come over to the cowboys side to get some players in the hall of fame;

 

[cowboyjoe]

You nailed it.

absolutely; mike p.... was trying to cover up, could you believe it when he said, oh, with the fumble, with players ripping the ball out of a players hands, oh yeah dumb mike p.... when a player is on the ground with both hands on the ball?

was a bunch of horse hockey from mike p......

 

[Hostile]

i dont feel that we have a hall of fame bias anymore, i did at one time, but now that rayfield wright and bob hayes got in, with emmitt smith coming up next year, (possibly darren woodson too) we have enough players in the hall of fame.

dont misunderstand me, i do feel that a few of the writers have an agenda against the cowboys, just like some refs and teams have an agenda against the cowboys, but its not like it was in other words

some of the writers have come over to the cowboys side to get some players in the hall of fame;

How is Roger Wehrli in over Cliff Harris?

How is John Stallworth in over Drew Pearson?

How did Rayfield and Bullet finally get honored? It took the Veterans committe pushing for it to happen.

Over? In a pig's eye.

 

[cowboyjoe]

How is Roger Wehrli in over Cliff Harris?

How is John Stallworth in over Drew Pearson?

How did Rayfield and Bullet finally get honored? It took the Veterans committe pushing for it to happen.

Over? In a pig's eye.

Hey buddy, dont get your dander up, i understand how u feel, drew pearson should be in; but at the same time

and dont misunderstand me here, i hated the steelers for their cheating in the 70's when they beat us in the superbowls, the refs were like to chicken to throw flags on the steelers like when cliff harris taps their kicker on the helmet and jack lambert throws cliff harris to the ground, thats unsportman like conduct right there, or when mel blount comes flying up on his knees on the ground and nails golden richards in the ribs, with richards showing pain. One of the refs walks over to another ref and points to what blount did, but no flag. Chuck Noll called us cry babies!

then when scott laidlaw nails jack lambert with his helmet; chuck moll noll cries foul and has a penalty rule put in for using crown of your helmet

but back to drew pearson,

stallworth had how many super bowl wins?, 4 right, how many super bowl wins did drew pearson have? 2 right?

dont get me wrong i loved drew pearson, even met him once and got his autograph and talked to him for awhile

From what i know about bob hayes and wright, john mc... the writer for houston chronicle loybbed however u spell that name heavy, got enough writers, he even told the poll voters it was a travisty not to have bob hayes in the hall of fame, main culprit that was holding all of this up from what i heard was peter king, he was one of the ones lobbying agaisnt the cowboys

 

[Hostile]

stallworth had how many super bowl wins?, 4 right, how many super bowl wins did drew pearson have? 2 right?

Mike Wilson is a Hall of Famer?

Rocky Bleier is a Hall of Famer?

Steve Furness is a Hall of Famer?

Keena Turner is a Hall of Famer?

Jesse Sapolu is a Hall of Famer?

Eric Wright is a Hall of Famer?

Bill Romanowski is a Hall of Famer?

Matt Millen is a Hall of Famer?

All of them have 4 Super Bowl rings too. Charles Haley has 5. How come he's not in automatically?

 

[jswalker1981]

Here is one good thing to remember. Stephen Jones is now on the competition committee. I'm sure he'll have something to say during the offseason meetings.