Official Review Week 10 with Mike Periera

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Hostile;3088278 said:
Mike Wilson is a Hall of Famer?

Rocky Bleier is a Hall of Famer?

Steve Furness is a Hall of Famer?

Keena Turner is a Hall of Famer?

Jesse Sapolu is a Hall of Famer?

Eric Wright is a Hall of Famer?

Bill Romanowski is a Hall of Famer?

Matt Millen is a Hall of Famer?

All of them have 4 Super Bowl rings too. Charles Haley has 5. How come he's not in automatically?

Now that part here i totally agree with you, the only hall of famer to me on your list here is rocky bleier

even roger wher.... shouldnt have been ahead of cliff harris;

like they kept bob hayes out of the hall of fame to a large degree due to his prison sentence to me, and again main culprit on the cowboys is peter king, he is the one you really want to blast, but to me Bill Romanowski shouldnt be there, from what they did to bob hayes and made him wait;

and matt miller shouldnt be there either for sure;again only person to me that should be there is rocky bleir, to me; maybe k turner or eric wright, but i didnt follow their career that closely, but the others i know;

just like there are some other wrs that are in the hall of fame, that didnt win superbowls, but again like i said drew pearson should be there; i think one of the problems that might be keeping drew out of the hall of fame; is drew isnt in the ring of honor, or in other words honored as a star player by the cowboys, thats on tex schramn and jerry jones;

hey jimmy johnson will be on dfw sports beat next monday night
the moose talked on dfw sports beat tonight too;

also just like i cant stand the steelers, chuck noll, i totally dislike romanaski too and matt millen;
 

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Hostile;3088533 said:
Rocky Bleier is nowhere near a Hall of Famer. Not even close.


I think he's in the hall because he was sent to Vietnam,was wounded and then overcame his injuries to play again.I think Rocky is more of a feel good member of the hall than anything else.


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craig71;3088559 said:
I think he's in the hall because he was sent to Vietnam,was wounded and then overcame his injuries to play again.I think Rocky is more of a feel good member of the hall than anything else.


Craig
I respect his service to the country, but that doesn't make you a Hall of Famer in the NFL. I consider myself a Rocky Bleier fan. I don't even believe he would disagree.
 

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Hostile;3088576 said:
I respect his service to the country, but that doesn't make you a Hall of Famer in the NFL. I consider myself a Rocky Bleier fan. I don't even believe he would disagree.


I'm not knocking his military service or the wounds he suffered.I'm just of the opinion that the people who vote on such things were swayed by his improbable comeback instead of his on the field contributions to the game.People like to root for the underdog and I would consider Rocky's comeback a slight miracle myself if I had a vote.

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Watch the replay and you'll see the ref raising the whistle to his mouth, and taking a step forward to mark the ball dead where Felix recovered it.

The question then becomes, if he was about to blow the whistle, signifying the end of the play, then what was it that might have happened after the play that could possibly make him change his mind?

His thinking went like this: "Play over...oh wait, there's a loose ball that I couldn't see because it was temporarily obscured by a player."

His conclusion: "Since the ball was obviously loose before I could see it, it must have come loose before I thought it did."
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craig71;3088594 said:
I'm not knocking his military service or the wounds he suffered.I'm just of the opinion that the people who vote on such things were swayed by his improbable comeback instead of his on the field contributions to the game.People like to root for the underdog and I would consider Rocky's comeback a slight miracle myself if I had a vote.

Craig
Unless I completely missed it, he isn't in the Hall.
 

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Hostile;3088596 said:
Unless I completely missed it, he isn't in the Hall.


For some reason I thought he was.Not the first time i've made a mistkae nor will it be the last.I think I might need to cut back on the bourbon as well....:laugh2:


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craig71;3088559 said:
I think he's in the hall because he was sent to Vietnam,was wounded and then overcame his injuries to play again.I think Rocky is more of a feel good member of the hall than anything else.


Craig

Thats why he was voted into the hall of fame Hostile, what he did overseas, being wounded, helping the steelers win 4 superbowls, etc, now the hall of fame is suppose not to decide on things outside of football, but they do.

Does it make that right? No!

Yet, thats why Bob Hayes didnt get into the hall of fame, till John Mc... of Houston Chronicle fought for him, I even sent John a letter the year before that blasting him. Got an email back from him, blasting me back, but the next year, John Mc... fights for bob hayes to get into the hall of fame.

Again, Peter King was the main culprit fighting against bob hayes, saying he did nothing to deserve being in the hall of fame, etc. Thats what john m... said in an interview with smoaky, something like that.

And thats just like lawrence taylor, we know all the stuff he did drugs etc, but he got in. Yes, there are some writers that judge players on their history outside of football, isnt right, but thats the way it is.

Isnt right, but you go tell them and remind them why and how they are suppose to vote hall of famers in only for their football stuff.

Again to me Drew Pearson should be in due to the 73 playoff game big reception he made, best i remember he did and the hail mary pass in 75, along with the super bowl win drew helped the cowboys win in 77. If drew hadnt had gotten injured on the freak accident that killed his brother, drew would have caught more passes and then for sure he would have been in. But people like peter king are fighting to keep him out of hall of fame like cliff harris, harris was in the service too as you know, best i remember. but cliff didnt get shot like rocky bleir did, thats the key and peter king.
 

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Hostile;3088596 said:
Unless I completely missed it, he isn't in the Hall.

yeah but i thought you said rocky bleir was in the hall of fame hostile, i was going by what you said when you named some people in hall of fame that shouldnt have with 4 superbowl wins,
 

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cowboyjoe;3087731 said:
Totally agree buddy, thats what im tryingto get all fans to see, that goodell is saying this is how it is and their is nothing that you can do about it fans;

he is wrong there, if we all stand up and let our voice be heard to the owners, the competition committee and goodell, then he has to do something about it; not try to cover it up

The issue seems to be that the league wants to let as much play unfold on the field rather than in the booth.

I think the call sucks but I understand why it is there. I thought the Jets got hosed BIG TIME, worse than Dallas.

They don't want to review mass scrambles and this just gets caught up and left out because of it. Personally, I kind of like premise if only because it leaves LESS up to the officials who from what I can tell are completely and utterly misinformed and mistaken all too frequently.

They should have some sort of "uncontested" clause in that rule that says possession can be reviewed if 1 player is clearly ahead of the pack in terms of recovering the ball. But again, who determines what is "ahead of the pack". It's messy.

IMO, the biggest problem in the league is the inconsistency from crew-to-crew and from week-to-week. Sometimes plays are called in a certain manner and sometimes they aren't.

The officials need to be full time and they need to spend as much time as possible getting on the same page. I didn't get to read all of the thread where full time officiating came up but I fully believe that having guys who work year round would improve the performance on the field.

One argument I saw was that they wouldn't have enough to do throughout the year because the season is only a few months. Why couldn't the officials become fixtures at training camp? Rotate these guys around the league during training camp. I know they are there sometimes, are they there at all times? Have these guys spend a week with a team and go to another team and during the regular season, don't let them officiate for the teams they visited (for those worried about favoritism developing). For the other 5 months, have them review every single penalty called for the previous season and have them go in depth on every challenge. You could find enough for them to do.

Full time officiating needs to happen. Part timers sure as hell are getting as much right as they are getting wrong. What could it hurt to get some committed guys doing the job?
 

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cowboyjoe;3088762 said:
yeah but i thought you said rocky bleir was in the hall of fame hostile, i was going by what you said when you named some people in hall of fame that shouldnt have with 4 superbowl wins,
I asked you if you think they should be in the Hall of Fame. Those guys all have 4 Super Bowl rings just like John Stallworth. Translation, big damned deal if Drew Pearson only has 2 as you pointed out as a reason why Stallworth is in and Drew is not. In fact, Drew only has 1. He wasn't on the 1971 Super Bowl team. He was still a better WR than Stallworth.
 

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Hoofbite;3087219 said:
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-videos/09000d5d8144f5c1/Official-Review-Week-10-bonus-coverage

Bonus coverage talking about the 3rd challenge and Clevelands 4th timeout.


Who made these stupid rules. Clayton had a catch and is down and then the ball gets ripped out. He did not drop it, he was down on contact and then the ball gets ripped out.

Anybody who plays football knows that that was a catch and not an interception. Only some stupid committee could come up with that stupid stuff!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:bang2: :bang2: :bang2: :bang2: :bang2:
 

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Hostile;3088779 said:
I asked you if you think they should be in the Hall of Fame. Those guys all have 4 Super Bowl rings just like John Stallworth. Translation, big damned deal if Drew Pearson only has 2 as you pointed out as a reason why Stallworth is in and Drew is not. In fact, Drew only has 1. He wasn't on the 1971 Super Bowl team. He was still a better WR than Stallworth.

oh ok, i misunderstood u, i thought u said rocky was in hall of fame,
yep, i caught the drew pearson only 1 super bowl win last night, just the 77 season;

dont misunderstand me, i love drew, but i think the reason why they put stallworth in, he helped the steelers with some big catches in 2 superbowl wins, not sure when stalworth was drafted, but as you know, the steelers even cheated on that part when they drafted stalworth

they got the video of stalworth from his college he went too, thats the only video that was available of him and they kept the video till after the draft, something like that

yes, steelers were cheaters, we all know how most of their offensive linemen used steroids;

it made it very enjoyable when we beat them in 96 in superbowl

but was the 95 season

just like roger staubach, charely waters and cliff harris said they cant stand the steelers either and everytime they see those former steelers, the steelers former players have a smile on their face towards our players

totally dislilke chuck "moll" noll, the big crybaby because he expected his team to have the right to beat up on you any way they could but when you did something back to them, he cried foul

the big crybaby
 

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cowboyjoe;3088266 said:
stallworth had how many super bowl wins?, 4 right, how many super bowl wins did drew pearson have? 2 right?

I think Pearson only had one. He wasn't part of the team that won in the early 1970's and he was long gone by the 1990's.
 

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Hostile;3088779 said:
I asked you if you think they should be in the Hall of Fame. Those guys all have 4 Super Bowl rings just like John Stallworth. Translation, big damned deal if Drew Pearson only has 2 as you pointed out as a reason why Stallworth is in and Drew is not. In fact, Drew only has 1. He wasn't on the 1971 Super Bowl team. He was still a better WR than Stallworth.

Maybe so, but like it or not that is part of the consideration HOF voters use. Frankly I think a lot of the players being talked about are pretty boarderline, including many of the Steelers that made it, and rather than bias I think all the Super Bowl wins pushed a lot of the boarderline Steelers over the edge while the boarderline Cowboys were close, but not quite there. As good as Pearson was, he probably wouldn't even be in the debate if he had played on teams that rarely made the playoffs and never made the Super Bowl.
 

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Hoofbite;3088775 said:
The issue seems to be that the league wants to let as much play unfold on the field rather than in the booth.

I think the call sucks but I understand why it is there. I thought the Jets got hosed BIG TIME, worse than Dallas.

They don't want to review mass scrambles and this just gets caught up and left out because of it. Personally, I kind of like premise if only because it leaves LESS up to the officials who from what I can tell are completely and utterly misinformed and mistaken all too frequently.

They should have some sort of "uncontested" clause in that rule that says possession can be reviewed if 1 player is clearly ahead of the pack in terms of recovering the ball. But again, who determines what is "ahead of the pack". It's messy.

IMO, the biggest problem in the league is the inconsistency from crew-to-crew and from week-to-week. Sometimes plays are called in a certain manner and sometimes they aren't.

The officials need to be full time and they need to spend as much time as possible getting on the same page. I didn't get to read all of the thread where full time officiating came up but I fully believe that having guys who work year round would improve the performance on the field.

One argument I saw was that they wouldn't have enough to do throughout the year because the season is only a few months. Why couldn't the officials become fixtures at training camp? Rotate these guys around the league during training camp. I know they are there sometimes, are they there at all times? Have these guys spend a week with a team and go to another team and during the regular season, don't let them officiate for the teams they visited (for those worried about favoritism developing). For the other 5 months, have them review every single penalty called for the previous season and have them go in depth on every challenge. You could find enough for them to do.

Full time officiating needs to happen. Part timers sure as hell are getting as much right as they are getting wrong. What could it hurt to get some committed guys doing the job?

They are there at teams training camps, and OTAs, but not all the time in other words. Like one day in OTAs they will visit one team, then another team next day, then in training camp they will visit all teams in a week or two, then off till preseason games start. Thats what ive been told. I do agree they should be hired full time, and on the same page. But this again has to come from fans towards the commissioner goodell, not mike p.... because all he does is say yes to goodell, the owners, competition committee.

Thats why i tried to ask about getting a petition together, and sending that to some other cowboys boards and to all other NFL teams top boards. Say for instance, you got 100 signatures from cowboys boards, with 100 from each all other teams, that would be 3,200 votes telling of disapproval of poor officiating, forcing the NFL, owners and competition committee to do something. Then after all of the petition is documented with videos of blown calls, the yes answer from mike p... etc you take that to Fox sports, espn, and other top football writers, spread it all over the internet, etc. Then, you would have ammunition that would get to the owners and competition committee to force goodell to do something.

I still dont see why you cant fine someone or suspend him like the commissioner does to players, coaches and owners. Again, the commissioner tells the players, etc that you should set an example of high integrity in the NFL, but when you mess up, I will fine you or suspend you.

Isnt it a low standard of integrity when refs continue to blow calls, and not have the same type of calls.

I do agree with you about they should all be on the same page. Thats like parcells said you have to know each ref crew and what they like to call.

Thats the problem right there, till that is enforced to be on same page, we will continue to get the same ole responses of mike p... the yes man for goodell.

To me, its just like any corporation, if enough people complain about their product, eventually it gets to the owner, in this case, those persons would be the owners of NFL teams and goodell.

In other words when enough fans gripe and are like crawling up their rear end, the owners are going to crawl up goodell's rear end to fix the situation.

To me, with the new labor agreement coming whenever that is, you should take a percentage of whatever the players and owners are complaining about and put in a full time NFL Ref college like baseball has, and hire refs full time. The full time Ref in charge would have the right to fine refs, suspend them or fire them. Not goodell because he tries to cover up the poor job refs do.
 

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cowboyjoe;3089155 said:
Thats why i tried to ask about getting a petition together, and sending that to some other cowboys boards and to all other NFL teams top boards. Say for instance, you got 100 signatures from cowboys boards, with 100 from each all other teams, that would be 3,200 votes telling of disapproval of poor officiating, forcing the NFL, owners and competition committee to do something.

3,200 signatures out of 32 million (probably more) NFL fans isn't going to carry that much weight.

cowboyjoe;3089155 said:
I still dont see why you cant fine someone or suspend him like the commissioner does to players, coaches and owners. Again, the commissioner tells the players, etc that you should set an example of high integrity in the NFL, but when you mess up, I will fine you or suspend you.

Isnt it a low standard of integrity when refs continue to blow calls, and not have the same type of calls.

Integrity refers to ethics, not to error in judgment.

Your analogy about fines doesn't work because the commissioner doesn't fine players for mental errors on the field, they fine them for what they view as malicious or dangerous hits and for actions they deem to be intentional and/or premeditated and hurt the image of the game.
 

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Stautner;3089136 said:
Maybe so, but like it or not that is part of the consideration HOF voters use. Frankly I think a lot of the players being talked about are pretty boarderline, including many of the Steelers that made it, and rather than bias I think all the Super Bowl wins pushed a lot of the boarderline Steelers over the edge while the boarderline Cowboys were close, but not quite there. As good as Pearson was, he probably wouldn't even be in the debate if he had played on teams that rarely made the playoffs and never made the Super Bowl.

I think what would push drew pearson into the hall of fame, if jerry jones would put him into the ring of honor.

We all know that jerry jones and drew pearson had some words when drew ran jerry jones's arena league for awhile and things didnt work out. At least thats what ive heard.

Then if jerry jones would do a big presentation of drew pearson when he is inducted into the hall of fame, and get that all over the internet, media, fox sports, etc, then that would refocus attention onto drew and make a push to get him into hall of fame to me.
 

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Stautner;3089165 said:
3,200 signatures out of 32 million (probably more) NFL fans isn't going to carry that much weight.



Integrity refers to ethics, not to error in judgment.

Your analogy about fines doesn't work because the commissioner doesn't fine players for mental errors on the field, they fine them for what they view as malicious or dangerous hits and for actions they deem to be intentional and/or premeditated and hurt the image of the game.

Anytime you get more than a 100 signatures on a petition, and you get that broadcasted nationwide through espn, fox sports, and writers of football sports, then that would carry weight and start to snowball and have an even futher effect.

What about the dangerous hit whats his name did the top ref that called the cowboys packers game, the hit of the yellow bb pellet that damaged a football players eye?

what about the integrity of the game when refs blow a call, and its seen nationwide, and the ref even admits he blew it after the game is over, because he didnt mark it down on his little card like he was suppose to in the 4 extra timeouts the cleveland browns got or the challenge flag that the packers coach threw against us and mike p.... says that flag should have been thrown immediately?

the refs didnt know the rules on that for sure, just like mike p.. said it was on the monitor for all to see, and when our coaches were yelling at the ref they didnt have any more challenge flags and was a penalty?? what about the integrity of officiating on the field calling a game like that should?
 
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