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cowboyjoe;3089170 said:
I think what would push drew pearson into the hall of fame, if jerry jones would put him into the ring of honor.

We all know that jerry jones and drew pearson had some words when drew ran jerry jones's arena league for awhile and things didnt work out. At least thats what ive heard.

Then if jerry jones would do a big presentation of drew pearson when he is inducted into the hall of fame, and get that all over the internet, media, fox sports, etc, then that would refocus attention onto drew and make a push to get him into hall of fame to me.

Drew bought the naming rights to Ring of Honor and pissed Jerry off or something along those lines.
 

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cowboyjoe;3089178 said:
Anytime you get more than a 100 signatures on a petition, and you get that broadcasted nationwide through espn, fox sports, and writers of football sports, then that would carry weight and start to snowball and have an even futher effect.

What about the dangerous hit whats his name did the top ref that called the cowboys packers game, the hit of the yellow bb pellet that damaged a football players eye?

what about the integrity of the game when refs blow a call, and its seen nationwide, and the ref even admits he blew it after the game is over, because he didnt mark it down on his little card like he was suppose to in the 4 extra timeouts the cleveland browns got or the challenge flag that the packers coach threw against us and mike p.... says that flag should have been thrown immediately?

the refs didnt know the rules on that for sure, just like mike p.. said it was on the monitor for all to see, and when our coaches were yelling at the ref they didnt have any more challenge flags and was a penalty?? what about the integrity of officiating on the field calling a game like that should?

I think the story, if it ever even got broadcast at all, about the 3200 signatures would go away quickly. In fact, probably the only thing that would carry it a bit more in the media would be how the announcers, coaches, owners, league etc all came to the defense of the officials saying they do a fine job and only ocassionally mess up, just as everyone else does in their job or personal lives. I think most fans would probably view it as a small portion of fans whining.

Once again, "integrity" isn't about blowing a call, just as it isn't about a player missing an assignment or dropping a pass.

I agree that problems with not knowing the rules are a big deal, but there are already consequences in place for that. The league chooses not to give officials with problems the playoff assignments, and the officials with the most problems eventually lose their jobs with the NFL and end up back doing college or high school games.

Maybe there is more that the NFL can do to ensure that officials know the rules (stricter training, probation periods etc ....), but that would probably be part of the deal negotiated with the official's union.
 

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jimmy40;3089186 said:
Drew bought the naming rights to Ring of Honor and pissed Jerry off or something along those lines.

how can drew pearson have the naming rights to the ring of honor, when jerry jones said that the ring of honor with the names in cowboys stadium belongs to jerry jones and his new stadium?
 

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Stautner;3089193 said:
I think the story, if it ever even got broadcast at all, about the 3200 signatures would go away quickly. In fact, probably the only thing that would carry it a bit more in the media would be how the announcers, coaches, owners, league etc all came to the defense of the officials saying they do a fine job and only ocassionally mess up, just as everyone else does in their job or personal lives. I think most fans would probably view it as a small portion of fans whining.

Once again, "integrity" isn't about blowing a call, just as it isn't about a player missing an assignment or dropping a pass.

I agree that problems with not knowing the rules are a big deal, but there are already consequences in place for that. The league chooses not to give officials with problems the playoff assignments, and the officials with the most problems eventually lose their jobs with the NFL and end up back doing college or high school games.

Maybe there is more that the NFL can do to ensure that officials know the rules (stricter training, probation periods etc ....), but that would probably be part of the deal negotiated with the official's union.

oh well, again was just a thought, my good buddy dc, said not to worry about it, that something is being done behind closed doors so to speak;
 

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cowboyjoe;3089198 said:
how can drew pearson have the naming rights to the ring of honor, when jerry jones said that the ring of honor with the names in cowboys stadium belongs to jerry jones and his new stadium?
could be a liscensing issue with Drew's merchandise. Something along those lines, Jerry being a ***.
 

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jimmy40;3089214 said:
could be a liscensing issue with Drew's merchandise. Something along those lines, Jerry being a ***.

well i did hear that jerry jones was still mad or upset at drew pearson, and thats one of the reasons he isnt in the ring of honor.

yeah i know jerry says that he will only put special people into the ring of honor etc;

but u have to remember, jerry likes to put a spin on things too;

maybe dc or hostile can clear up the issue with drew pearson and jerry jones
 

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cowboyjoe;3089201 said:
oh well, again was just a thought, my good buddy dc, said not to worry about it, that something is being done behind closed doors so to speak;

The basic thought was a good one. I like your instinct to do something rather than accept something that is a problem.

The thing that bugs me the most about the officiating in the GB game was the rule that possession on the fumble couldn't be reviewed. That's moronic because potentially game changing calls are exactly what instant replay was put in place for.

I heard that the reason for the rule that possession couldn't be reviewed was because so often the players all pile on and the replay can't tell who actually recovered the ball, but in those cases why not just rule that there was inconclusive evidence to change the call just like they do all the time, and then actually use it to get the call right when the replay can determine what happened?
 

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Stautner;3089271 said:
The basic thought was a good one. I like your instinct to do something rather than accept something that is a problem.

The thing that bugs me the most about the officiating in the GB game was the rule that possession on the fumble couldn't be reviewed. That's moronic because potentially game changing calls are exactly what instant replay was put in place for.

I heard that the reason for the rule that possession couldn't be reviewed was because so often the players all pile on and the replay can't tell who actually recovered the ball, but in those cases why not just rule that there was inconclusive evidence to change the call just like they do all the time, and then actually use it to get the call right when the replay can determine what happened?

totally agree with u;
 

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Stautner;3089136 said:
Maybe so, but like it or not that is part of the consideration HOF voters use. Frankly I think a lot of the players being talked about are pretty boarderline, including many of the Steelers that made it, and rather than bias I think all the Super Bowl wins pushed a lot of the boarderline Steelers over the edge while the boarderline Cowboys were close, but not quite there. As good as Pearson was, he probably wouldn't even be in the debate if he had played on teams that rarely made the playoffs and never made the Super Bowl.
All the evidence you need that a bias against Cowboys in the Hall of Fame rests in one simple fact.

14 seasons, 10 times Pro Bowl or All Pro, 54 career interceptions.

19 years after he was eligible, he was finally elected to the Hall of Fame. If Mel Renfro had played for any other team, no way those credentials take 19 years. No way on this earth.
 

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jimmy40;3089186 said:
Drew bought the naming rights to Ring of Honor and pissed Jerry off or something along those lines.
Is Drew Pearson paying the Ring of Honor price for a 1993 business decision?

As chairman of one of the nation's largest manufacturers of headwear products, former Dallas Cowboys wide receiver Drew Pearson has gained a reputation in the business world as an entrepreneur who isn't afraid to take chances.

The approach has served him well. Drew Pearson Marketing Inc. of Dallas brings in nearly $35 million per year, produces millions of caps annually and has licensing agreements with the NBA, the NHL and several motor-sports companies.

But not all of Pearson's gambles have paid off. Some even say that one of them could be the reason why he isn't in the team's Ring of Honor, an elite club of Dallas greats Pearson says is incomplete without him.

"There is no question something is going on," said Pearson, arguably the franchise's greatest clutch receiver. "This is not to be vain or bragging, but the record speaks for itself. What I did for the organization, on and off the field, there is no question I should be in the Ring of Honor."

Pearson, who starred for the Cowboys from 1973-83 after making the team as an undrafted free agent from Tulsa, started his company in 1986 with two partners. By the early 1990s, it was thriving, but that didn't stop him from continuing to explore ways to increase profits.

"We look for hot licensing opportunities," said Pearson, 54. "It's what we do in our business."

One such opportunity came in 1993, when Cowboys owner Jerry Jones selected coaching legend Tom Landry for induction into the Ring of Honor. Hoping to sell apparel that sported Landry's image, the team logo and Ring of Honor, Drew Pearson Marketing Inc. — without Jones' knowledge — filed for and gained the federally registered trademark for "Ring of Honor" from the United States Patent and Trademark Office.

Pearson, who held the trademark until April 1995, says the move created friction between him and Jones.

"It possibly could have angered him because of the way he found out," Pearson said. "We presented the Cowboys a proposal of what we wanted to do. Jerry was interested, but he wanted to study it himself."

Pearson said Jones eventually decided to produce his own Ring of Honor merchandise.

"But we told him he couldn't because we had the trademark," Pearson said. "In finding out that way, he had some kind of grudge."

Pearson said friends believe the trademark flap led Jones to blackball Pearson from the Ring of Honor. Pearson, however, says he doesn't support that theory.

"I've heard a lot of people say that," Pearson said. "But that's hard for me to believe. (Jones) would have to tell me that. I don't believe the rumors. I think he's a bigger man than that, a bigger businessman. This is a multimillion-dollar businessman having some kind of grudge with a former Cowboy? That would be kind of petty. I would think Jerry is bigger and better than that and has more respect and regard for what I accomplished as a Dallas Cowboy."

Said Pearson: "Even when we did have the trademark, I offered it to Jerry, saying, 'You can have it.' I would have traded it in a minute to be in the Ring of Honor."

Cowboys spokesman Rich Dalrymple said Jones declined comment. Dalrymple also said the trademark dispute has nothing to do with Pearson's absence from the Ring of Honor.

Former Cowboys tight end Billy Joe DuPree isn't buying it, saying he believes the trademark issue is a factor.

"But it's Jerry's team," said DuPree, a close friend of Pearson. "He paid the money for it and can do what he wants. But there should be some consideration for the people who put him in position to buy it."

Former Cowboys general manager Tex Schramm created the Ring of Honor in 1975 as a way to immortalize franchise greats. Although there are no set criteria for qualification, Schramm emphasized that only people who excelled and had a long-term impact on the franchise should be considered.

Above all else, Schramm wanted membership to be exclusive, one reason Jones and Jones alone makes the selections, although the owner said in October 2004 his decisions are influenced by input from Ring of Honor members, former players, fans and the media.

The Cowboys, who have appeared in an NFL-record eight Super Bowls, have only 14 Ring of Honor members, including 12 players. It is so exclusive that Schramm didn't enter until 2003, 12 years after his induction into the Professional Football Hall of Fame.

"When you see how much it means to these men and their families, that is the difficult part," Jones was quoted as saying in the Fort Worth Star-Telegram. "It makes you regret everybody couldn't be in. But that can't be and keep the spirit and exclusivity that the Ring of Honor was created for."

Pearson lost the trademark for Ring of Honor in 1995 because he didn't take necessary steps to renew it.

"It wasn't producing for us," Pearson said. "There was no need to re-register. The only way we would have done something with it was if it was in connection with the Cowboys, and we had a difficult time getting them to do that."

Pearson added he never made "a dime" off the trademark.

Ronald J. Mann, a professor at the University of Texas Law School who does research on electronic commerce, says it's unlikely Pearson could have profited from the trademark.

"Under trademark law," Mann said, "the Cowboys would get an exclusive right to use 'Ring of Honor' in the market in which they were using it as soon as they used it enough for consumers to identify that name with the Cowboys. And if they were putting it on the walls of Texas Stadium, that would happen pretty quickly. Once they had that right, nobody else would be able to use it and compete with them even if another party did gain the trademark."

Pearson said he has no regrets about obtaining the trademark.

"It should be in the Cowboy family," he said. "It would be a real shame if someone outside of the family had picked it up."

Pearson finished his career with 489 receptions for 7,822 yards and 48 touchdowns. A three-time Pro Bowl selection, he averaged 16 yards per reception and recorded two 1,000-yard receiving seasons.

Bob Hayes, the only receiver in the Ring of Honor, played 11 seasons and retired after the 1975 season with 371 receptions for 7,414 yards and 71 TDs, a record for a Dallas receiver. He averaged 20.0 yards per catch.

But statistics don't do justice to Pearson's career, which included three trips to the Super Bowl. He was Hall-of-Fame quarterback Roger Staubach's favorite target and is best remembered for making several clutch grabs, including the famous game-winning TD catch — dubbed the "Hail Mary" — in a 1975 playoff game against Minnesota.

"He made big play after big play for us and did the same with Danny White as quarterback," Staubach said. "Lynn Swann is in the Hall of Fame, and Drew is in the same category with him when it comes to clutch catches. Drew's a hall of famer."

Said former Cowboys safety Cliff Harris: "When the situation was most desperate, you just knew Roger would connect with Drew to turn things around. Drew was one of those unique individuals that magically made things happen."

Pearson isn't shy about saying he also deserves a spot in the Professional Football Hall of Fame. Detractors say his statistics don't warrant selection, but supporters say Pearson's numbers weren't outrageous because he played for an offense that included numerous weapons, including Hall of Fame running back Tony Dorsett.

"If we threw the ball 40 times a game, he would have caught more passes," Staubach said. "But we didn't, so you have to consider the number of quality plays he had and his yards per completion."

Pearson said it bothers him that former Seattle receiver Steve Largent has a bust in Canton, Ohio, and he doesn't. Largent, who played for the Seahawks from 1976 to '89, finished with 819 catches for 13,089 yards and 100 TDs. Like Pearson, he averaged 16 yards per catch.

"How many playoff games did Steve Largent play in?" Pearson said. "What other players did Seattle have other than him to throw the ball to? He's got padded stats because they were always playing from behind. And he goes in (to the Hall of Fame) ahead of Drew Pearson? (Largent) had the quantity but not the quality. Nothing against him; he's also from Tulsa and worked hard. But I made plays in more important games."

One thing is certain: His exclusion from the Ring of Honor troubles Pearson.

"When I don't see my name up there, it's a source of frustration," he said. "If I had played for any other team, I would have had my day, my moment, with my family at my side, where I could show my appreciation to the fans. Lesser players have had that day for teams they played for. It just makes me frustrated that I can't have that moment for my family."

Despite that frustration, Pearson says he won't accept claims that his acquisition of the trademark is keeping him out of the prestigious fraternity.

"If that's the reason," Pearson said, "someone has got a serious problem, and it ain't me."

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Hoofbite;3089616 said:
Joe,

Has a petition EVER worked for ANYTHING?
Just got the red light cameras removed in College Station.


as far as NFL refs it just comes off as unbelievable whining.
 

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Hoofbite;3089616 said:
Joe,

Has a petition EVER worked for ANYTHING?

sometimes it does, remember what our forefathers fought for in liberty, that started out with a petition
 

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I don't for one second think that the NFL is rigged. However, I do feel that officials are told how to officiate in the week prior to the game. Meaning that the NFL front office gets in thier heads about how to call a game.

For example, they may have told this officiating crew that calls should favor the Packers to keep the NFL more interesting with them still in the playoff hunt.
 

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I wonder how an independent contractor would do in the referee business.The contractor would have to grade out to a pre-determined rate or they would lose the contract or forfeit money due to bad performance.

Just thinking out of the box.

Craig
 

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Don Corleone;3089737 said:
I don't for one second think that the NFL is rigged. However, I do feel that officials are told how to officiate in the week prior to the game. Meaning that the NFL front office gets in thier heads about how to call a game.

For example, they may have told this officiating crew that calls should favor the Packers to keep the NFL more interesting with them still in the playoff hunt.

You just defined "rigged". If the NFL tells its officials to influence the outcomes of games to keep it interesting then it most certainly is rigged. Vince McMahon might as well be running the show.
 

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craig71;3089748 said:
I wonder how an independent contractor would do in the referee business.The contractor would have to grade out to a pre-determined rate or they would lose the contract or forfeit money due to bad performance.

Just thinking out of the box.

Craig

I like this idea. At least there would be a standard as well as swift action on incompetence. I have never seen such incompetent officiating in 30 years of watching football as I did in that Packer game last Sunday.
 

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craig71;3089748 said:
I wonder how an independent contractor would do in the referee business.The contractor would have to grade out to a pre-determined rate or they would lose the contract or forfeit money due to bad performance.

Just thinking out of the box.

Craig

thats something to think about
 

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RoadRunner;3089765 said:
I like this idea. At least there would be a standard as well as swift action on incompetence. I have never seen such incompetent officiating in 30 years of watching football as I did in that Packer game last Sunday.

Not only our game with the packers, but the jets rb fumble that was worse than ours some say, the 4 timeouts in the 2nd half in cleveland game

just shows out terrible officiating has gotten, just like in the patriot game, the patriot did have the first down his forward momentum, but the refs blew that call and i cant stand the patriots either due to belicheck the cheater

we are seeing just how vulnerable he is now that he cant cheat, teams are beating him and the patriots
 
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