Offseason musing. What would you take for Dak?

FuzzyLumpkins

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Calling you our for what you are doing to people on the forum is not ad hominem, it's common sense. He blew a hole in your story and you attacked him not the story, that's ad hominem, just like I said the first time. Learn how to read genius.

Huh? You tell me to learn to read and paint me as mean. That is your entire argument at this point. A few things.

1) Explain how it "blew a hole in my story" in your own words.
2) What did I write specifically that was "attack(ing) him?"
3) In your own words what does ad hominem mean?
 

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Has there ever been a young player produce and then not produce? Specifically at the QB position? Can you think of any? I can.

Not hoping for it for Dak and i'm rooting for the kid. But some people acting like he's canton bound already.

There has been but none played to the level Dak did as a rookie. He displayed too much ability, poise and leadership for me to think he'll drop off the map after one year. I don't see him as a one hit wonder because some were high on him coming out of college. The only thing that could cause him to regress is injury and injuries can happen at any time. Going back to RG3, his regression started at the end of his rookie year after the knee injury. I expect Dak to probably suffer a few more INT's next season because he'll be taking more shots down the field and it's going to be highly unlikely he'll only toss 4 picks all season again. I can live with 7-8 picks and 30+ TD passes.
 

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Your hating on KJJ routine is typical. My posting history/predictions speak for itself. Some of you can't get me out of your heads, you try and make every discussion about me. It's many of you who put me up on a pedestal because you take me and my opinions seriously or they wouldn't create such a stir. If you didn't think I knew what I was talking about none of my opinions would have an affect on you or anyone but my opinions do have an affect and a huge affect on some. The board had Romo vs Dak polls until Romo held his press conference putting an end to the speculation. The polls varied with most asking should Romo take over when he was healthy and you were in his corner in each and every poll that I saw. I was in Dak's corner the entire way from preseason throughout all the polls that were started.

I'm only posting to you because you posted to me attempting to stir up some chatter. You never seem to want to engage in a mature discussion with me, you just come around to take a slap with either a pic or some silly remark. I never said you brought up Orton, I was referring to a few FANS who did. The empathy Romo FANS feel Romo doesn't bother me in the least, they're disappointed for him and the way his Cowboys career ended. I get that but some have taken shots at Dak's game in retaliation which is perplexing with as well as he played and the success we had with him this past season. He's said all the right things and has been very respectful to Romo. Step up to the plate for once and debate me, instead of looking to take shots and run.

If you think you have everything all figured out, bring it to the table and let's compare it to what I have. Stop making this about me, you don't like me and I and everyone else gets that. I don't come here seeking any love, I come here because I'm a passionate Cowboys fan who enjoys discussing football and the team. I have a lot of haters on this board as well as every board I've been on the past 14 years because I'm a confident, opinionated poster who tells it like it is and it rubs homers the wrong way. I'm don't come here to cheerlead or to fulfill everyone's Cowboys fantasies with ridiculous predictions that have little to no chance of coming true. I don't post what I wish or hope for. Despite all the haters I have, if they had a lot of their own money to put on anyones prediction, they'll put it all on my calls because despite their hate for me they know I have a great pulse on this team. This is what I said just prior to opening day.

http://cowboyszone.com/threads/tren...ever-see-the-field-again.356148/#post-6801099

Some of us have been saying that ever since Romo went down based on his repeated injuries and the performance of Dak in preseason. I believe it's Dak's job to lose, if he plays anything like we've seen in preseason during the regular season Romo will remain on the sidelines regardless if he's healthy and ready to play. I don't see Romo ever getting his job back if Dak has a solid 2016 season especially if he leads the Cowboys to the playoffs. Romo can't withstand a good hit anymore, it's hard going forward with an aging, injury prone QB who can't be counted on to stay on the field when you have a promising rookie QB who's playing well.

The only way Romo sees the field again is if Dak and the team struggle or Dak gets injured and Romo is healthy and ready to play. Romo's future will all depend on Dak's performance this season. The odds favor Romo seeing the field again because he can still play at a high level but if Dak plays solid he's not going to be pulled.
It's a daily causality loop I'm not stuck in. I'm out.
 

KJJ

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It's a daily causality loop I'm not stuck in. I'm out.

Take off but I'm ready to debate civilly on any topic when you're ready to set your dislike for me aside and stop with the potshots.
 

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There has been but none played to the level Dak did as a rookie. He displayed too much ability, poise and leadership for me to think he'll drop off the map after one year. I don't see him as a one hit wonder because some were high on him coming out of college. The only thing that could cause him to regress is injury and injuries can happen at any time. Going back to RG3, his regression started at the end of his rookie year after the knee injury. I expect Dak to probably suffer a few more INT's next season because he'll be taking more shots down the field and it's going to be highly unlikely he'll only toss 4 picks all season again. I can live with 7-8 picks and 30+ TD passes.
Dak won't even be starting next season. Romo will get his job back and Dak will be riding the pine.
 

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If I had confidence in another Quaterback in this years draft or with any other Quaterback on this upcoming years roster I'd consider a teams 1st and 2nd this year. Their 1st next year. And their 1st the third year. But alas that's not the case.
 

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The disrespect for Prescott is awesome.
Its only a handful of people. It'll take years, if ever, to catch up with the brain-dead stuff that poor old Tony endured. I mean, people created whole new categories to find ways to degrade him. :muttley::thumbdown:

Imo, so far, Dak deserves full on praise. The guy was rookie. Outastanding season by any measure.
 

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I mean.... I know Romo is gone. The point of this thread is what would you take for Dak. And I've told you a deal I'd run not walk to the commissioner's office.

If the thread is about Dak's value then how he played is key to determining value don't you think. He was a pro bowler as a rookie which is not easy to do and your side has been shown to be unreliable due to frequent, careless, and gratuitous inaccuracies. I don't blame you for wanting to bow out.

And I gave you the relative scarcity of what Dak is, a pro bowl rookie QB, his performance relative to previous pro bowl rookie QB, better, and his team control and price moving forward, 3 years for less than $2m.

And you want to give that up for less than what teams usually give up to pick in the top 5 where there is more uncertainty about a prospect as opposed to a proven NFL player and it costs over 10 times as much. IOW, you value him less than a top 5 picks.
 

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The disrespect for Prescott is awesome.

There's been a lot of it and from some of the comments about him I've seen during the season and after it you would have never thought he led the Cowboys to a 13-3 record and had a Pro Bowl/Rookie of the Year season. I've seen comments that defy believe, such as trading him and trying to land Deshaun Watson who had a lot of inconsistent moments.
 

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My good friend. I have not had the pleasure of reading one of your stories in some time. Come on....the site needs your insight and passion. I miss you.

I appreciate it...I just haven't had much to say. Post combine I likely have a pet cat to discuss and, of course, free agency will grant some discussion-fodder.
 

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If the thread is about Dak's value then how he played is key to determining value don't you think. He was a pro bowler as a rookie which is not easy to do and your side has been shown to be unreliable due to frequent, careless, and gratuitous inaccuracies. I don't blame you for wanting to bow out.

And I gave you the relative scarcity of what Dak is, a pro bowl rookie QB, his performance relative to previous pro bowl rookie QB, better, and his team control and price moving forward, 3 years for less than $2m.

And you want to give that up for less than what teams usually give up to pick in the top 5 where there is more uncertainty about a prospect as opposed to a proven NFL player and it costs over 10 times as much. IOW, you value him less than a top 5 picks.
Yes of course. That's why i'd ask for 3 1sts. It's called selling high...which is what this thread is asking.
 

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Dak won't even be starting next season. Romo will get his job back and Dak will be riding the pine.

The legend Kellen Moore will be resigned, and easily win the starting job. He'll complete 100% of his passes in practice. In the preseason also. Well, at least his family thinks so.
 

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If I had confidence in another Quaterback in this years draft or with any other Quaterback on this upcoming years roster I'd consider a teams 1st and 2nd this year. Their 1st next year. And their 1st the third year. But alas that's not the case.
The North Carolina kid looks good. He would fit on the current Cowboy team.
 
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