Offseason musing. What would you take for Dak?

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rambo2 said:
Well, he is a 1st round pick. He is going to make a lot more money than Dak who has a 4th round contract. Interesting math there isn't it?
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If Dak keeps playing the way he did this past season which I expect him to, he's going to be a very wealthy man once his rookie contract is done. It doesn't matter where a player is drafted, that doesn't determine how good they're going to be.
 
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rambo2 said:
Well, he is a 1st round pick. He is going to make a lot more money than Dak who has a 4th round contract. Interesting math there isn't it?
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Cmon man.
I'll reiterate. I believe that Mitch Trubisky is not half the QB that Dak Prescott is.
 
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Having a QB in the NFL is so crucial I'm not sure I could be enticed enough to trade him. You either have a QB or you're forced to utilize picks and take chances on free agents until you find one.

Since 2010, Cleveland used two 1st round picks and two 3rd round picks on a QB. All wasted. 24-year-old coming off the rookie season he had with 3 years on his contract remaining at a dirt cheap price. I mean, it would require enough compensation to ensure that I could move to the top of the 1st round in any of the next 2-3 drafts in order to guarantee myself a guy who I consider to be equal or better. On top of that, a team would need to pay just for the risk involved. I honestly don't think any team could offer enough.
 
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He didn't go in the top 5 because he's a 4th round dink and dunk guy. He had average arm strength, poor footwork and other problems that made teams wary of him. Nobody cared how good he was at throwing to wide open guys in college because college is not NFL football. I barely even watch college football, so I am not sure why I am on the middle of a discussion about it.
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This isn't even about college football. It's about logic, quality control, and learning from one's mistakes. When a 4th-round selection becomes the NFL's 3rd-highest rated passer as a rookie, the question among draft guys is "What did we miss in our evaluations?" Right now there are a lot of people looking at Prescott's college career, and particularly his senior year, much more carefully than they did the first time. Those who study the game know that Prescott's strength in his rookie season was his intermediate passing game. The author of the article (correctly) points to the fact that this is simply a carryover from his college career, but it was missed because team factors weren't considered thoroughly enough.

With regard to Prescott's rookie season, you've already been shown that Prescott didn't tend toward a lot of short passes, which proves that he isn't a "dink and dunk" guy. You've also been shown that his passer rating on throws beyond 15 yards led the entire NFL, which confirms that he didn't have to depend on short passes to be successful. Finally, you've been given evidence that he was the most accurate of the top 20 QB coming out last year on intermediate throws with any separation at all, and that these made up 80% of all charted pass attempts.

You say the charted throws were "wide open," and still you've made no attempt to explain how those 20 QB averaged less than 50% on them, while Prescott was nearly 13 percentage points better. Logic tells us that even the average QB wouldn't be under 50% to a wide open receiver, much less the best 20 QB in the draft, so these were not wide open targets. And again, Prescott's accuracy on intermediate throws carried straight over into the NFL.

11-20 yards in air
Brady 69.0% 150.0
Prescott 60.6% 114.9
Brees 59.0% 97.6
Ryan 58.3% 103.9
Cousins 56.2% 101.8
Taylor 56.1% 96.1
Palmer 54.3% 86.2
Rivers 53.2% 98.8
Roethlisberger 52.3% 91.8
Dalton 53.1% 94.2
Luck 52.8% 85.9
Winston 52.6% 75.7
Keenum 51.7% 95.5
Mariota 51.6% 93.4
Stafford 51.4% 87.4
Wentz 51.3% 79.9
Bradford 51.2% 100.4
Wilson 50.9% 78.4
Flacco 50.5% 72.2
Tannehill 50.0% 69.8
Smith 49.4% 74.5
Manning 49.1% 80.6
Rodgers 48.7% 92.9
Newton 48.0% 69.4
Siemian 47.7% 75.3
Bortles 46.9% 85.2
Carr 46.6% 89.5
Fitzpatrick 44.1% 61.4
Osweiler 43.2% 41.3

Ranked #1 in is draft class on these throws when his receiver had even the slightest separation, but had no pass protection to speak of, which resulted in his making fewer of these throws than other QB. Came into the NFL, and in his rookie season, got good pass protection, and ranked 2nd only to Tom Brady on these throws. That's a pattern. That's the point. Scouting departments will learn from this, and pre-draft analysis of quarterbacks will include more complete investigation of the available data on team factors that influence things like completion percentage, resulting in better decisions on draft day.
 
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This is a strange thread.

It is almost like talking about your plans "if" there were a zombie apocalypse.
 
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Plumfool said:
Cmon man.
I'll reiterate. I believe that Mitch Trubisky is not half the QB that Dak Prescott is.
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So, you were pounding the table last year for Dak as the Cowboys tried to get Lynch and Cook.
 
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percyhoward said:
This isn't even about college football. It's about logic, quality control, and learning from one's mistakes. When a 4th-round selection becomes the NFL's 3rd-highest rated passer as a rookie, the question among draft guys is "What did we miss in our evaluations?" Right now there are a lot of people looking at Prescott's college career, and particularly his senior year, much more carefully than they did the first time. Those who study the game know that Prescott's strength in his rookie season was his intermediate passing game. The author of the article (correctly) points to the fact that this is simply a carryover from his college career, but it was missed because team factors weren't considered thoroughly enough.

With regard to Prescott's rookie season, you've already been shown that Prescott didn't tend toward a lot of short passes, which proves that he isn't a "dink and dunk" guy. You've also been shown that his passer rating on throws beyond 15 yards led the entire NFL, which confirms that he didn't have to depend on short passes to be successful. Finally, you've been given evidence that he was the most accurate of the top 20 QB coming out last year on intermediate throws with any separation at all, and that these made up 80% of all charted pass attempts.

You say the charted throws were "wide open," and still you've made no attempt to explain how those 20 QB averaged less than 50% on them, while Prescott was nearly 13 percentage points better. Logic tells us that even the average QB wouldn't be under 50% to a wide open receiver, much less the best 20 QB in the draft, so these were not wide open targets. And again, Prescott's accuracy on intermediate throws carried straight over into the NFL.

11-20 yards in air
Brady 69.0% 150.0
Prescott 60.6% 114.9
Brees 59.0% 97.6
Ryan 58.3% 103.9
Cousins 56.2% 101.8
Taylor 56.1% 96.1
Palmer 54.3% 86.2
Rivers 53.2% 98.8
Roethlisberger 52.3% 91.8
Dalton 53.1% 94.2
Luck 52.8% 85.9
Winston 52.6% 75.7
Keenum 51.7% 95.5
Mariota 51.6% 93.4
Stafford 51.4% 87.4
Wentz 51.3% 79.9
Bradford 51.2% 100.4
Wilson 50.9% 78.4
Flacco 50.5% 72.2
Tannehill 50.0% 69.8
Smith 49.4% 74.5
Manning 49.1% 80.6
Rodgers 48.7% 92.9
Newton 48.0% 69.4
Siemian 47.7% 75.3
Bortles 46.9% 85.2
Carr 46.6% 89.5
Fitzpatrick 44.1% 61.4
Osweiler 43.2% 41.3

Ranked #1 in is draft class on these throws when his receiver had even the slightest separation, but had no pass protection to speak of, which resulted in his making fewer of these throws than other QB. Came into the NFL, and in his rookie season, got good pass protection, and ranked 2nd only to Tom Brady on these throws. That's a pattern. That's the point. Scouting departments will learn from this, and pre-draft analysis of quarterbacks will include more complete investigation of the available data on team factors that influence things like completion percentage, resulting in better decisions on draft day.
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A whole bunch of nothing, you just regurgitated 11-20 yards pfft lmao not even a medium range pass. Dak couldn't hit a target 35 yards down the field if his life depended in it or the divisional round...this proves nothing g
 
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Dak probably wouldn't have as much interest as some might think.

Most of the teams he'd fit in well already have a QB and the teams that need a QB don't have the talent on offense we do which enhanced his performance.

Who really believes Dak would have had the same impact on the Browns, Rams or Jaguars for example ?
 
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His accuracy was on full display at the pro bowl QB challenge..or do those things not count because they are just for fun? You can't teach accuracy you either got it or you don't..#21 is the reason for the season and deserves ALOT more credit for the success of the offense..dak is another Matt Shaub with a better oline Matt shaub lived off of arian foster success
 
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percyhoward said:
More than 90% of all pass attempts in the NFL are targets of 20 yards or less. 11-20 yards is absolutely an intermediate pass.
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Always about stats have you even been on the field a 11 -20 yard pass for a adult male is not the far 45 -50 now is a diff story...if you can't make passes accurately and consistently at 10-20 yards you have no buissness being a QB
 
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Diehardblues said:
Dak probably wouldn't have as much interest as some might think.

Most of the teams he'd fit in well already have a QB and the teams that need a QB don't have the talent on offense we do which enhanced his performance.

Who really believes Dak would have had the same impact on the Browns, Rams or Jaguars for example ?
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That's a good question. Anyone crediting quarterbacks too highly in a team sport should have the opportunity to answer it.
 
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