Opinion: Dak will Make Over 25M

InTheZone

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And even if all the sacks were Dak's fault (and they were not), I'd rather lose yards than lose the ball. I guess some fans would prefer he chuck it up for grabs when his protection breaks down.
We're going to act like we're going to deflect sacks as a defense for Dak? Mental gymnastics all around for defending this dude, it's crazy. Lead the league in sacks, probably led the league in fumbles, who knows how many miserable games of offense we've watched as they couldn't score unless Cooper or someone else broke for a huge play. It's ok to root for a guy, but I'm beyond sick of half the games being the most inept offense in the league. It's not just Dak you say...well obviously. But only showing up in the 4th isn't something I want from a position that's going to be the highest paid on the team.
 

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We're going to act like we're going to deflect sacks as a defense for Dak? Mental gymnastics all around for defending this dude, it's crazy. Lead the league in sacks, probably led the league in fumbles, who knows how many miserable games of offense we've watched as they couldn't score unless Cooper or someone else broke for a huge play. It's ok to root for a guy, but I'm beyond sick of half the games being the most inept offense in the league. It's not just Dak you say...well obviously. But only showing up in the 4th isn't something I want from a position that's going to be the highest paid on the team.

The point was, that saying he lead the leagues in sacks and placing all the blame on him is stupid. It’s also a sign that the offensive line wasn’t playing well either.

Blaming Dak for all the sacks is ludicrous
 

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And even if all the sacks were Dak's fault (and they were not), I'd rather lose yards than lose the ball. I guess some fans would prefer he chuck it up for grabs when his protection breaks down.
Or, you know, he could throw it away like a real quarterback.
 

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I agree that Jerry will over pay Dak. Anything over 20 million would be over paying him. If they give him 28 million I might jump off a bridge
 

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I think it will be closer to $35 mil than 25. Not a bad payday for 1 playoff win
 

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Mahoms could be the first 40m and defiantly will come close to it. The price of elite goes up every year. Ryan with his 30m and Rodgers with his 33m set the new market for elite qbs. At this time there are only 3 that make 28m or more. If mahomes continues on this path and signs a Rodgers type deal after the 2020 season he would get 38.6m. With a work stoppage possible because the cba expiring could hamper that.

At the time Russell Wilson signed his contract he was not considered elite. He has a great defense and a great running game. That contract today with the cap would be 28.6m compared to 21.9m it was in 2015. He would even get more today because he's considered, by some and his numbers , elite.

As far as what he would get in the open market, he's get the 28m easily. 2 teams or 12 teams, he's get 28m. If they called elway today, he'd give us both his qbs and pay him 28m. If he was on the open market he wouldn't have traded for Flacco. Every year the market changes for teams who needs one.

I think people just look at other QBs and what they are making and put Dak in a certain group, and say he deserves that, without looking at when that contract was signed.


Here's a huge flaw in your analogy of Wilson's contract. Two years prior to signing that contract in 2015 he led the sea hawks to a lombardi trophy and then the year before he took them there again and lost due to a huge error in that play on the 2 yard of throwing the ball instead of running it in. So after taking his team to back to back Super Bowls they extended his contract and they did so without making him the highest paid QB in the league.

Ryan got his new contract after taking the falcons to the Super Bowl.

Now I don't think it will happen but what happens if for whatever reason Mahomes has an off year in 2019. Here's another thing to think about. His 4 year deal ends after the 2020 season but the chiefs can also exercise a 5th year option for 2021 if he doesn't play lights out for the next 2 seasons. He would not be the 1st QB to all of a sudden regress after a really good season.

Lastly, your guesses on what a contract would be today is just that a guess. There is absolutely no way of knowing for sure what a team would end up negotiating those contracts for. Teams don't just say we're going to just make their QB the new highest paid QB, it's all negotiated and there's no way that Prescott will be in the upper echelon of highest paid QB's with his lone playoff win.
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And even if all the sacks were Dak's fault (and they were not), I'd rather lose yards than lose the ball. I guess some fans would prefer he chuck it up for grabs when his protection breaks down.
Yeah. Look what happened when the rams did that in the sb. Pretty much ended the game for them.
 

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The point was, that saying he lead the leagues in sacks and placing all the blame on him is stupid. It’s also a sign that the offensive line wasn’t playing well either.

Blaming Dak for all the sacks is ludicrous
and once again someone has to say "no one is putting all the blame on him"...but it is obvious by his hesitation that he has regressed in that department, regardless of how much or little you want to blame him. What I don't hear is people that defend him actually acknowledge that he's regressed in certain aspects. Some of these defenders say, it's impossible since he's more experienced...
 

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I don’t get why we are looking for a deal with him at all. 4th year as a rookie, franchise him twice and only then come to the table with a deal. By then he’s a known commodity. Right now he’s a gamble.
 

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And even if all the sacks were Dak's fault (and they were not), I'd rather lose yards than lose the ball. I guess some fans would prefer he chuck it up for grabs when his protection breaks down.
You know how many sacks that idiot took in the Redzone?
 

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It will be interesting to see how the deal is drawn up. Saying a deal is 25 mill a year I think most know that is not how it will be drawn up, Rodgers deal is an avg of 33 mill yet the deal breaks down differently than 33 mill and GB has an out in 2020. Dak is going to make a good pay day, it will not be to the level of Rodgers or Matt Ryan, hell likely not as much as Cousins
 

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Here's a huge flaw in your analogy of Wilson's contract. Two years prior to signing that contract in 2015 he led the sea hawks to a lombardi trophy and then the year before he took them there again and lost due to a huge error in that play on the 2 yard of throwing the ball instead of running it in. So after taking his team to back to back Super Bowls they extended his contract and they did so without making him the highest paid QB in the league.

Ryan got his new contract after taking the falcons to the Super Bowl.

Now I don't think it will happen but what happens if for whatever reason Mahomes has an off year in 2019. Here's another thing to think about. His 4 year deal ends after the 2020 season but the chiefs can also exercise a 5th year option for 2021 if he doesn't play lights out for the next 2 seasons. He would not be the 1st QB to all of a sudden regress after a really good season.

Lastly, your guesses on what a contract would be today is just that a guess. There is absolutely no way of knowing for sure what a team would end up negotiating those contracts for. Teams don't just say we're going to just make their QB the new highest paid QB, it's all negotiated and there's no way that Prescott will be in the upper echelon of highest paid QB's with his lone playoff win.
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No flaw, I mentioned Wilson having a chip when he signed his contract. I also mentioned that that chip and success was looked at as a defense and running game that got that chip. That's why he wasn't consider elite. He was considered a game manager that could use his legs. His numbers were very similar to daks, not great but good.

As far as mahomes, I said, IF he continues on this path. I said that because he could be a one year wonder, like you said. They could could actually take his 5th year option and make him play out through the 2021 season. I'm sure they'd like to take care of that by the end of the 2020 season , most teams do but it's not a must. They could also time care of that after the 2019 season. I also mentioned the cba expiring at the end of the 2020 season could hamper his contract. Like I said, IF, again IF he continues on this path and they sign him at the end of the 2020 season or even the end of the 2021 season he'll get north of 35m easily. The cba negotiations could have a affect on that. The t.v. contracts run out after the 2022 season and last time when they had a cba negotiation they also had the t.v. negotiation the same year and the new deal didn't kick in until 2014 and the cap didn't move for 2 years and only went up 3m in 3 years because the t.v. money didn't kick in until 2014. That year it went up 10m and has went up 10m every year since. So again, that could affect his contract and many others or at least the timing of when he signs one. But I'll stick to what I said, if he continues on this path and the cap continues in its path, he'll get north id 35m and my guess would be its closer to 40m than 35m.

As far as my guess , of course it's a guess. I'm going off how he played this past season , I said IF he continues and I said the cba and t.v. money could affect it. If everything stays on the path it is now, he'll be the highest paid player. That's just common sense and watching the nfl and paying attention to NFL contracts over the past 20 years.

If dak gets 28m he will be in the upper echelon for about a sesom of 2. Then others will sign and push his contract down the list. Do people not pay attention to this every year? Lol there are contracts coming up in the next year or 2 that will for more than Daks. Elite money 8 years ago was 20m, then it was 25m, then it 28m now it's 30m. Soon it will be 35m, then 38m then 40m. Rodgers is at 33m and Ryan at 30m. With in the next couple of years someone will tip that and might not be as good as them. That's when you have to look at what the cap is at the time and the % of the cap that player is taking up .

Personally I think dak should get 25m and he'll at least get that. That would put him at 13.2% of the cap. That's right where Alex Smith is at. At 28m he would be 14.8m that would still put him under Rodgers at 18.6, Ryan at 16.9, cousin's at 15.8, Stafford at 16.1, Ben at 15.2. It would put him with rivers and cam at 14.4 and 14.5.

He should get 25m a year , might get 28m and could get over 28m but even being a dak fan that would be too much. With all that said, I care more about the gutanteee than the avg annual. That's more for thhr agent and player and for fans like us to debate. Lol
 
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