Optimistic about O Line

[Doomsdayblitz]

You mean take on LB's after the DT has already pushed him aside.



Being heavier makes up for lack of skill?



This one is my favorite. Being healthy makes him a Pro Bowl Guard. ****, our whole OL is Pro Bowl then.


Gurode has experience too....




Mike Mamula is healthy and was a 1st round pick too. You don't see the Eagles clamoring for him. Mike Williams was the 5th overall draft pick; and not to many teams were interested in him either.



Like what? How to ride the pine?



Top 10? Oh God.....

I love pessimistic people, 'cause sooner or later, they show thier ignorance. What is being said is that, before he injured his back, Rivera had been to multiple Pro-Bowls just before coming here. He hurt his back, which, according to anyone with a brain, makes him less effective. His back is now healed, & he is moving better than anytime after the injury. This means it is possible that he can now regain his former status. Without the nagging injury, he will NO DOUBT be much better than last year.

Yes, a Petitti this year, who had to go through a college season, the post season testing & try outs, training camp, starting 16 games as a rookie, half of them without the benefit of Flo on the other side, vs. Rob Petitti who has rested from last season, has a year's experience under his belt, has worked so hard in the S & C program that he is benching 500 lbs., which is 100 lbs. more than he was benching this time last year, and a healthy Flo on his other bookend.
So, yeah, I'll take this year's version. Rob Petitti is an *** kicker who refuses to be beaten out of a job, and he won't be-guaranteed.

Also, Peterman's injury was much more severe than most. He had to basically learn how to walk again. He has been roundly roasted on this site, but I would give even money that, now that he is healthy, he takes the LG spot from Kosier.

The main point, though, is that, even with no improvement from any of the individuals on the line from last year, the line will benefit from having a TO who has to be double teamed half the time, and a two TE system that will keep LBs honest, or they will get burned with quick dump offs down the middle to one of the TEs.

 

[The30YardSlant]

How many Pro Bowls has McKinnie been to?

And that could be in a starter or reserve role, I'll allow both.

McKinnie does his best work off the field apparently, not on it.

Your "list" is junk. Just like your weak argument.

And you're getting owned in this thread in case you haven't noticed......

:stupid:

So does Randy Moss, that doesnt stop him from being the best WR in football

And, according to you LA haters, Pro Bowls dont matter. Make up your minds, please.

And I'm getting "owned" because you have OD'd on the silver and blue kool-aid and dont like what I have to say. Which is ok, just be prepared to be dissapointed when Bledsoe is eating it 40 times this year.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

well, at least it's not *me* arguing about our OL this time around.

well the results are still the same :laugh1:

 

[The30YardSlant]

well, at least it's not *me* arguing about our OL this time around.

It's madness, the Cowboys goggles have blinded so many into thinking we have a chance to be a good O-Line.

 

[The30YardSlant]

well the results are still the same :laugh1:

You looking clueless? I'll agree to that

 

[wileedog]

well, at least it's not *me* arguing about our OL this time around.

You at least never argued that there is no difference between right and left tackles, or that NFL Coaches throw out key parts of their gameplan "just because", or that Flo is actually worse than a retired player.

 

[The30YardSlant]

That is a lame attempt at a spin job.

McKinnie also has surrendered more sacks in one season that Adams ever had, I believe. I might be wrong, but I don't think I am.

In general, I agree for the most part about Adams being inconsistent and more than a little overrated by our fans (and even staff), but to state McKinnie is "clearly" better doesn't sit well with the facts.

I believe he gave up two less in that season than Flo ever has, but McKinnie also didnt have the greatest offensive linemen ever next to him. Look for him to look like a beast when given a great LG alongside him in Hutchinson.

 

[The30YardSlant]

You at least never argued that there is no difference between right and left tackles, or that NFL Coaches throw out key parts of their gameplan "just because", or that Flo is actually worse than a retired player.

It's not about where he wants to put them, it's about where the guy is best at. Playing RT as opposed to LT is very different in terms of responsibility. LTs are more pass protecting linemen, RTs are usually better at run blocking, especially stretch run blocking.

Whoops?

And you tell me, why did he not rush the QB much from the start in week 2 last year? I'd love to hear it.

 

[wileedog]

Whoops?

And you tell me, why did he not rush the QB much from the start in week 2 last year? I'd love to hear it.

Several people have told you already, you just don't want to hear it.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

You looking clueless? I'll agree to that

wait, who's getting laughed at in this thread again? it sure as hell aint me

 

[Alexander]

I believe he gave up two less in that season than Flo ever has, but McKinnie also didnt have the greatest offensive linemen ever next to him. Look for him to look like a beast when given a great LG alongside him in Hutchinson.

Left tackles often play on islands. That's why they are left tackles. Sorry, the guard excuse doesn't fly either. By your rationale, having Allen should have made Adams better, right? Or are you saying Allen wasn't any good?

 

[Bob Sacamano]

He has never had anything close to a great year by any means.

real? allowing a total of 1 sack against some very good pass-rushers isn't a great year?

 

[The30YardSlant]

Several people have told you already, you just don't want to hear it.

Ah yes, that Dallas was beating them deep, even though we did it once and it wasnt until the 3rd period. What was Williams thinking the 1st half?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

HH3 you seem to be taking to quantity over quality approach. While this thread will certainly help your post count, it is doing little to help your credibility.

There are defeinitley a bunch of ifs here:

If Flozell can get back to probowl form.
If Rivera can return to probowl form.
If any of Johnson. Gurode or Peterman can play up to there draft status.
If we can get anything from Fabini, Pettiti, Kosier or Columbo.

Now granted these are all ifs but if say we can get hits on some of those listed then we have the potential to be VERY good.

If Rivera and Flozell come back, Johnsons offseason work gives him the strength he needs and Pettiti, Kosier and Fabini are all solid then yes this will be a top ten line.

At the same token, we could have 2005 redux and have another trainwreck.

And lastly, shut up about the Williams blitzing thing. It was clear all of the first part of the season that if you blitzed the Cowboys you got a big fat big play more often than not. Your refusal to acknowledge what should be readily apparent to anyone who actually watched the games just makes you look stupid.

We were 7-3 with an elite offense at that point last season for a reason.

 

[wileedog]

Ah yes, that Dallas was beating them deep, even though we did it once and it wasnt until the 3rd period. What was Williams thinking the 1st half?

I didn't say anything about beating them deep.

I said Julius ripped off two nice runs the couple of times they blitzed so they stopped. They weren't getting penetration and Williams didn't want Parcells to establish the run on the blitz.

Kind of ties into the whole team offense point, dontchya think?

 

[The30YardSlant]

wait, who's getting laughed at in this thread again? it sure as hell aint me

Not true, I'm laughing pretty damn hard

 

[sago1]

Would like to point out 2 things. Many here cite how good our OL was before Adams went down. Do we forget that against Skins we could only put up 13 points (1 TD & 2 FGs) & against Giants we put up 16 points (1 TD & 3 FGs) and these were 2 of our first 4 games. Against Raiders (or was it SF) we only able put up 12? points losing to them 19-12. Yes we did score lot of points against Chargers and Eagles but... In reality even when Adams was healthy, we had trouble scoring cause we had couldn't get our running game going, etc. So Adams coming back healthy is good but there still were OL problems and we won't know whether these problems addressed enough to get us a good season.

Also don't kid yourself. Our opponents will come after our OL & Bledsoe even more then last year. Doubling TO with only 1 guy on TG and who knows what they do about Witten & Fasano and Jones means their best scenario is to blitz our OL unmercifully. Our OL and blockers will have to pick up the blitz and/or Bledsoe will have to get the ball out quickly to TO, etc for our offense to function as effectively as we wish it too.

The opening game against the Jags with their good defense which includes some good players who can pressure Bledsoe will give us a good indication of just where we are at. If Cowboys handle them, we will have taken the first step in 06 to show we might be on the way to being viewed as a legit elite NFL team. A victory against Skins in the 2nd game will reinforce that view and other teams will indeed sit up and take notice.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Not true, I'm laughing pretty damn hard

wait who told you we were laughing with you? :laugh1:

 

[The30YardSlant]

Left tackles often play on islands. That's why they are left tackles. Sorry, the guard excuse doesn't fly either. By your rationale, having Allen should have made Adams better, right? Or are you saying Allen wasn't any good?

No, I'm agreeing Allen made Flo look better, just like Hutch will help McKinnie. Granted, it is more often than not running plays in which the guard helps the tackle, but nevertheless, I'll bet it doesnt hurt knowing that you have a player of that caliber next to you.

 

[The30YardSlant]

wait who told you we were laughing with you? :laugh1:

You said "it sure as Hell aint me", and I said that that was false, as I am laughing, fairly hard I might add, at you. I dont care who you and your ignorance choose to laugh at.