Optimistic about O Line

[The30YardSlant]

true, but Samuel's hasn't been consistently very good either like Flo, so I'm going by their best seasons as a pro

Flo has been consistantly good? He has a good year, a bad year, a good year, then a bad year. That has been the blueprint for his career. He has never had anything close to a great year by any means.

 

[Alexander]

Flo has been consistantly good? He has a good year, a bad year, a good year, then a bad year. That has been the blueprint for his career. He has never had anything close to a great year by any means.

Neither has Bryant McKinnie.

 

[The30YardSlant]

well the best OTs usually play on the left-side, so...

No, the most publized OTs play on the elft side because its easier to judge them because they are usually the ones protecting the QBs blind side. That does not mean they are better.

 

[The30YardSlant]

Neither has Bryant McKinnie.

I agree. What's your point?

 

[burmafrd]

Ask any coach where he puts his best tackle.

 

[Alexander]

I agree. What's your point?

You said McKinnie was "clearly superior".

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Flo has been consistantly good?

notice I said "like Flo"? that means both have been inconsistent, and you say I need to learn how to read

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Ask any coach where he puts his best tackle.

I laugh at you, they just do it for no reason

 

[The30YardSlant]

Ask any coach where he puts his best tackle.

It's not about where he wants to put them, it's about where the guy is best at. Playing RT as opposed to LT is very different in terms of responsibility. LTs are more pass protecting linemen, RTs are usually better at run blocking, especially stretch run blocking.

 

[burmafrd]

OK - put it this way. WHich gets paid more in the NFL- RT or LT?
WHich is more highly regarded coming out of college- RT or LT?
Which is picked over the other RT or LT?

 

[The30YardSlant]

You said McKinnie was "clearly superior".

One does not need great seasons to be superior to Flozell Adams. McKinnie had a rough rookie season, but overall has been good more often than Flo has. McKinnie on his off days is better than Flo on his off days, because he simply has more talent and can make up for mistakes in ways Flo cannot.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

this is how I see our line guys, it's our team's biggest weakness and is nothing above average as a unit right now, but so was our line with Flo in the lineup, and that didn't stop us from starting 7-3 last year, and IMO, we improved, Pettiti and Al have gotten stronger (their biggest weaknesses), Fabini won't allow 15, even 10 sacks, if he's the starter at RT, Kosier is an obvious upgrade over LA in terms of quickness, and we get Flo back, not to mention going back Idgit's main point, the offense getting a boost with the acquisition of TO (who lights up man-coverage, and add him to Glenn who also eats up man-coverage, you got Ds backing off) and the addition of Fasano to the 2-TE set

 

[The30YardSlant]

OK - put it this way. WHich gets paid more in the NFL- RT or LT?
WHich is more highly regarded coming out of college- RT or LT?
Which is picked over the other RT or LT?

LT, again, because protecting the QB is more important to most teams in todays NFL then run blocking and strongside protection. And there is nothing wrong with that, but you cannot say one type of tackle is better because they get paid more. LE's get paid more than RE's traditionally, does that make one better? No, it means one is more important in most teams opinions.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

OK - put it this way. WHich gets paid more in the NFL- RT or LT?
WHich is more highly regarded coming out of college- RT or LT?
Which is picked over the other RT or LT?

all you have to say is the best athlete plays LT, and most of the RTs in the NFL were team's LTs in college, let HH spin it all he wants

 

[The30YardSlant]

this is how I see our line guys, it's our team's biggest weakness and is nothing above average as a unit right now, but so was our line with Flo in the lineup, and that didn't stop us from starting 7-3 last year, and IMO, we improved, Pettiti and Al have gotten stronger (their biggest weaknesses), Fabini won't allow 15, even 10 sacks, if he's the starter at RT, Kosier is an obvious upgrade over LA in terms of quickness, and we get Flo back, not to mention going back Idgit's main point, the offense getting a boost with the acquisition of TO (who lights up man-coverage, and add him to Glenn who also eats up man-coverage, you got Ds backing off) and the addition of Fasano to the 2-TE set

Pettiti did not improve much. He got throughly OWNED in the final game of the season against the Rams to the tune of giving up 3 sacks. He just doesnt seem like a NFL starting caliber lineman. That's why we got Fabini.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Pettiti did not improve much.

he didn't improve as a rookie, but he's going to be receiving help this year and is bigger and stronger, his biggest weakness last year

last year is crap

 

[Alexander]

One does not need great seasons to be superior to Flozell Adams. McKinnie had a rough rookie season, but overall has been good more often than Flo has. McKinnie on his off days is better than Flo on his off days, because he simply has more talent and can make up for mistakes in ways Flo cannot.

That is a lame attempt at a spin job.

McKinnie also has surrendered more sacks in one season that Adams ever had, I believe. I might be wrong, but I don't think I am.

In general, I agree for the most part about Adams being inconsistent and more than a little overrated by our fans (and even staff), but to state McKinnie is "clearly" better doesn't sit well with the facts.

 

[Stash]

One does not need great seasons to be superior to Flozell Adams. McKinnie had a rough rookie season, but overall has been good more often than Flo has. McKinnie on his off days is better than Flo on his off days, because he simply has more talent and can make up for mistakes in ways Flo cannot.

How many Pro Bowls has McKinnie been to?

And that could be in a starter or reserve role, I'll allow both.

McKinnie does his best work off the field apparently, not on it.[/B]

Your "list" is junk. Just like your weak argument.

And you're getting owned in this thread in case you haven't noticed......

:stupid:

 

[The30YardSlant]

all you have to say is the best athlete plays LT, and most of the RTs in the NFL were team's LTs in college, let HH spin it all he wants

Yes, better athletes play LT, and if just being athletic alone made you the better player, Randall Williams would be the best receiver in the NFL.

As for RTs playing LT in college most of the time, that is simply not true. It is true SOME of the time, but there have been RTs who played LT in the NFL. Just like there are DEs who play OLB in the NFL, just like their are QBs who play WR in the NFL.

 

[iceberg]

well, at least it's not *me* arguing about our OL this time around.