Optimistic about O Line

[Bob Sacamano]

Would like to point out 2 things. Many here cite how good our OL was before Adams went down. Do we forget that against Skins we could only put up 13 points (1 TD & 2 FGs) & against Giants we put up 16 points (1 TD & 3 FGs) and these were 2 of our first 4 games. Against Raiders (or was it SF) we only able put up 12? points losing to them 19-12. Yes we did score lot of points against Chargers and Eagles but... In reality even when Adams was healthy, we had trouble scoring cause we had couldn't get our running game going, etc. So Adams coming back healthy is good but there still were OL problems and we won't know whether these problems addressed enough to get us a good season.

while true, our O's struggles weren't just from the Oline, our WRs, outside of Glenn, were having a hard time separating from DBs, QBs need both a line that blocks and WRs who separate, I think we got both this year

Our OL and blockers will have to pick up the blitz and/or Bledsoe will have to get the ball out quickly to TO, etc for our offense to function as effectively as we wish it too.

that's already the plan

 

[Bob Sacamano]

You said "it sure as Hell aint me", and I said that that was false, as I am laughing, fairly hard I might add, at you. I dont care who you and your ignorance choose to laugh at.

:jerk: you're a joke, everyone knows it but you, you're a punchline, nothing more, noone argues with you, they criticize you

 

[The30YardSlant]

I didn't say anything about beating them deep.

I said Julius ripped off two nice runs the couple of times they blitzed so they stopped. They weren't getting penetration and Williams didn't want Parcells to establish the run on the blitz.

Kind of ties into the whole team offense point, dontchya think?

Julius first "big" run came in the 2nd quarter. Still doesnt explain the lack of blitzing. It was his gameplan, why, I dont know. A lot of things caoches do make little sense when you dont know the reasoning.

 

[The30YardSlant]

:jerk: you're a joke, everyone knows it but you, you're a punchline, nothing more, noone argues with you, they criticize you

And yet, here you are, 14 pages into a thread about our offensive line, still trying to make sure everyone knows what an idiot you think I am and how wrong I am.

You simply cannot handle anyone who goes against your sunshine pumping ways. This board has turned into a mix of Texas Longhorns and Washington Commanders fan habits. Unmatched homerism combined with blind arrogance towards your opinion.

 

[Alexander]

This board has turned into a mix of Texas Longhorns and Washington Commanders fan habits.

It isn't quite that revolting. That's quite a combination.

 

[The30YardSlant]

It isn't quite that revolting. That's quite a combination.

Ok, perhaps I shold have said we're getting there. I agree, that might be pushing it :laugh1:

 

[iceberg]

You at least never argued that there is no difference between right and left tackles, or that NFL Coaches throw out key parts of their gameplan "just because", or that Flo is actually worse than a retired player.

no, but i am looking at various religious retreats, 3 cults, and 8 types of disinfectant showers since there *is* an area however remote that HH and i agree with each other.

 

[The30YardSlant]

no, but i am looking at various religious retreats, 3 cults, and 8 types of disinfectant showers since there *is* an area however remote that HH and i agree with each other.

 

[wileedog]

Julius first "big" run came in the 2nd quarter.

He had a 9 yard run off tackle the 6th play into the first drive.

He had another 9 yard run first play of the 2nd drive.

I succintly rememeber one of them being on a blitz, pretty sure the other one was also, because I remember being happy we were beating the blitz.

I also am pretty sure that was the last blitz of the game, or close to it.

Still doesnt explain the lack of blitzing. It was his gameplan, why, I dont know. A lot of things caoches do make little sense when you dont know the reasoning.

So lets think a minute. What could the reasoning be?

Well, you generally don't do something if you don't think it will be effective, right?

And WIlliams didn't do something he normally does, right?

And the first couple of times he tried it, it didn't work, right?

Do you need me to do the math from here, or can you handle it yourself?

 

[Stash]

Would like to point out 2 things. Many here cite how good our OL was before Adams went down.

I would disagree. I think most would say that the offensive line was acceptable and that's about all. And that was good enough for a 7-2 record at one point.

Do we forget that against Skins we could only put up 13 points (1 TD & 2 FGs) & against Giants we put up 16 points (1 TD & 3 FGs) and these were 2 of our first 4 games. Against Raiders (or was it SF) we only able put up 12? points losing to them 19-12. Yes we did score lot of points against Chargers and Eagles but... In reality even when Adams was healthy, we had trouble scoring cause we had couldn't get our running game going, etc. So Adams coming back healthy is good but there still were OL problems and we won't know whether these problems addressed enough to get us a good season.

Agreed. Things weren't perfect, but again, they were good enough to be 7-2.

And missed field goals contributed in at least 3 losses.

Also don't kid yourself. Our opponents will come after our OL & Bledsoe even more then last year. Doubling TO with only 1 guy on TG and who knows what they do about Witten & Fasano and Jones means their best scenario is to blitz our OL unmercifully. Our OL and blockers will have to pick up the blitz and/or Bledsoe will have to get the ball out quickly to TO, etc for our offense to function as effectively as we wish it too.

I welcome they to try - I really do. Jason Witten is a Pro Bowl tight end. I hope they ignore him and blitz. Please send a memo to Greg Williams to bring the house all game long.

The opening game against the Jags with their good defense which includes some good players who can pressure Bledsoe will give us a good indication of just where we are at. If Cowboys handle them, we will have taken the first step in 06 to show we might be on the way to being viewed as a legit elite NFL team. A victory against Skins in the 2nd game will reinforce that view and other teams will indeed sit up and take notice.

I agree. The first two games are against very good defenses and will give us a good barometer early.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

So lets think a minute. What could the reasoning be?

cuz me or you don't know what coaches are thinking? oh wait, that's HH's reasoning

 

[The30YardSlant]

He had a 9 yard run off tackle the 6th play into the first drive.

He had another 9 yard run first play of the 2nd drive.



So lets think a minute. What could the reasoning be?

Well, you generally don't do something if you don't think it will be effective, right?

And WIlliams didn't do something he normally does, right?

And the first couple of times he tried it, it didn't work, right?

Do you need me to do the math from here, or can you handle it yourself?

9 yard runs are "big"? Boy, has the criteria of Cowboy fans declined in recent years....

Emmitt, where art thou?

 

[fortdick]

I love pessimistic people, 'cause sooner or later, they show thier ignorance. What is being said is that, before he injured his back, Rivera had been to multiple Pro-Bowls just before coming here. He hurt his back, which, according to anyone with a brain, makes him less effective. His back is now healed, & he is moving better than anytime after the injury. This means it is possible that he can now regain his former status. Without the nagging injury, he will NO DOUBT be much better than last year.

Yes, a Petitti this year, who had to go through a college season, the post season testing & try outs, training camp, starting 16 games as a rookie, half of them without the benefit of Flo on the other side, vs. Rob Petitti who has rested from last season, has a year's experience under his belt, has worked so hard in the S & C program that he is benching 500 lbs., which is 100 lbs. more than he was benching this time last year, and a healthy Flo on his other bookend.
So, yeah, I'll take this year's version. Rob Petitti is an *** kicker who refuses to be beaten out of a job, and he won't be-guaranteed.

Also, Peterman's injury was much more severe than most. He had to basically learn how to walk again. He has been roundly roasted on this site, but I would give even money that, now that he is healthy, he takes the LG spot from Kosier.

The main point, though, is that, even with no improvement from any of the individuals on the line from last year, the line will benefit from having a TO who has to be double teamed half the time, and a two TE system that will keep LBs honest, or they will get burned with quick dump offs down the middle to one of the TEs.

Ding, Ding! We have someone who addressed the original thread!

thanks

 

[The30YardSlant]

Speaking of the Longhorns Alexander, its look like they have the refs on retainer these days:

http://media.putfile.com/Happy-Ref

 

[The30YardSlant]

Ding, Ding! We have someone who addressed the original thread!

thanks

Really? He basically repeated what you said and threw in a few "pessimistic people suck" references

 

[wileedog]

9 yard runs are "big"? Boy, has the criteria of Cowboy fans declined in recent years....

Emmitt, where art thou?

So are you going to argue semantics, or answer the rest of my post?

 

[fortdick]

Really? He basically repeated what you said and threw in a few "pessimistic people suck" references

At least he addressed it. He didn't just pound the podium shouting we have the worst O Line in the NFL.

 

[The30YardSlant]

So are you going to argue semantics, or answer the rest of my post?

If 9 yard runs are all it takes for maybe the best defensive coordinator in the game to abandon his gameplan, the NFL is in a troubled state.

 

[The30YardSlant]

At least he addressed it. He didn't just pound the podium shouting we have the worst O Line in the NFL.

I certainly gave more reasoning for us having a bad O-line than you did for us having a good one.

 

[Stash]

I certainly gave more reasoning for us having a bad O-line than you did for us having a good one.

No, what you've done is give poor reasoning and double-talk in a weak attempt to prove a misguided premise.

And get ridiculed by the entire board in the process.

Congratulations.