Owen Schmitt

[theogt]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7IQf1rJf-8&feature=related

Schnitt is in full stride and 4 defenders that have to turn around make up ground very quickly.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrON0qieSDk&feature=related

LB 52 stumbles and paces Schmitt who is full speed. This is after he caught up ten yards on Schmitt.. Nice hyperbole by the announcers.

These are 'great' runs by him too. WVU blocking as a whole is superb.

4.85 time http://www.thefootballexpert.com/fbrankings2008.html
4.85 http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/fb/owenschmitt.html

So, where's the evidence that he's slower than 4.6?

 

[theogt]

I realize that. when the buyers maximum price completely eclipses what anyone else would pay then that buyer is making a stupid offer.

hence when the seller only asks for a second and you offer a 1st and a third. its stupid.

If everyone else says the guy should go in the fourth or later and you say pick him in the third. then thats stupid.

see with you its obvious you like to overpay. thats nice wheny ou have no salary cap or budget or limit on picks but when you do have a budget and you overpay its counterproductive.

thankfully you and Mike Ditka dont run this franchise.

Great. You get the concept, you're just terrible in application. I never said I'd be willing to give up a 1st and a 3rd for him if they were wanting less. Obviously you'd give less if you could get him for less. We don't know what they'd be willing to give him up for, though, hence we don't have the supply curve and can't determine market value.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

So, where's the evidence that he's slower than 4.6?

all of that is more quantity and just as good quality as yours.

if youre going to take that tact then wheres your proof that he runs a 4.57? because if thats worthless then so is yours.

at the same time if hes running a 4.57 he shouldnt have JAG linebackers gaining ground on him when they have to turn around and accelerate to full speed and hes full stride.

you know the old straightline motion thing.

x =x + v*t + .5at^2

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Great. You get the concept, you're just terrible in application. I never said I'd be willing to give up a 1st and a 3rd for him if they were wanting less. Obviously you'd give less if you could get him for less. We don't know what they'd be willing to give him up for, though, hence we don't have the supply curve and can't determine market value.

but theo youre the only one that thought that was a good idea. the ONLY one.

just like youre the only one guy that thinks a 3rd is a good idea.

Hos is a selfproclaimed shill and even he says the 4th.

your concept of good value or worthwhile price is entirely skewed. its also pretty obvious that you just make it completely up. when you thought precedent was pointless was just golden.

 

[theogt]

all of that is more quantity and just as good quality as yours.

if youre going to take that tact then wheres your proof that he runs a 4.57? because if thats worthless then so is yours.

at the same time if hes running a 4.57 he shouldnt have JAG linebackers gaining ground on him when they have to turn around and accelerate to full speed and hes full stride.

you know the old straightline motion thing.

x =x + v*t + .5at^2

No, your evidence isn't as good as mine. First, I look at those videos and see a guy that runs pretty fast. Looks like better than 4.7 speed to me. At best, that evidence is vague. Second, the links you provided are not as good a quality as mine. Mine are taken directly from National Scouting, which is the premier source for such information. It may be wrong, but it's the best source there is.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

No, your evidence isn't as good as mine. First, I look at those videos and see a guy that runs pretty fast. Looks like better than 4.7 speed to me. At best, that evidence is vague. Second, the links you provided are not as good a quality as mine. Mine are taken directly from National Scouting, which is the premier source for such information. It may be wrong, but it's the best source there is.

hey you realize that national scouting reports the combine numbers. they havent released their numbers on this years crop. they run the combine then report it. they dont make up crap like that. sorry try harder.

 

[Hostile]

but theo youre the only one that thought that was a good idea. the ONLY one.

just like youre the only one guy that thinks a 3rd is a good idea.

Hos is a selfproclaimed shill and even he says the 4th.

your concept of good value or worthwhile price is entirely skewed. its also pretty obvious that you just make it completely up. when you thought precedent was pointless was just golden.

My last Mock.

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=112201

I love the kid. If we get him I will do cartwheels.

 

[theogt]

but theo youre the only one that thought that was a good idea. the ONLY one.

Because most people were talking about market value and I was talking about maximum price. It's obvious those two should differ.

just like youre the only one guy that thinks a 3rd is a good idea.

Hos is a selfproclaimed shill and even he says the 4th.

your concept of good value or worthwhile price is entirely skewed. its also pretty obvious that you just make it completely up. when you thought precedent was pointless was just golden.

We'll see. I think Schmitt will be gone by the end of the 3rd.

 

[theogt]

hey you realize that national scouting reports the combine numbers. they havent released their numbers on this years crop. they run the combine then report it. they dont make up crap like that. sorry try harder.

This is another point where I've had to educate you in this thread. National Scouting does report numbers before (and in addition to) the Combine. They do this as a service to NFL teams and to others that are willing to pay for them.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Because most people were talking about market value and I was talking about maximum price. It's obvious those two should differ.

We'll see. I think Schmitt will be gone by the end of the 3rd.

because maximun price is obviously on an individual basis. we are also talking about a market where every product is unique which differs then your typical model.

but when an individuals maximum price is arbitrary like most of yours is AND it completely is off base from everyone elses then thats going to be an issue.

As for how he does, itll prob depend on the combine.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

This is another point where I've had to educate you in this thread. National Scouting does report numbers before (and in addition to) the Combine. They do this as a service to NFL teams and to others that are willing to pay for them.

i dont take you at your word. Youve been full of it all too often. Link or any evidence to back this up.

 

[theogt]

because maximun price is obviously on an individual basis. we are also talking about a market where every product is unique which differs then your typical model.

Still not quite getting it.

but when an individuals maximum price is arbitrary like most of yours is AND it completely is off base from everyone elses then thats going to be an issue.

Again, it's completely off base from what people thought the market price was. That should be obvious. It's off base from what I think the market price will be.

 

[theogt]

i dont take you at your word. Youve been full of it all too often. Link or any evidence to back this up.

I guess I could forward you my e-mails with the guys who run the site. Name once where I've been misleading or lied.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Still not quite getting it.

Again, it's completely off base from what people thought the market price was. That should be obvious. It's off base from what I think the market price will be.

Oh I get it Theo. Your enot showing how what i say doesnt apply which is all i need to know.

youve resorted to the high school tactics again. talk of educating and this line of drivel. its the saddest thing watching you try to prop your weakass feces with this drivel.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I guess I could forward you my e-mails with the guys who run the site. Name once where I've been misleading or lied.

Schmitt's athleticism and sure show the emails. like i said iw ant proof because quite frankly youll say or do anything to try and seem like youre right.

 

[theogt]

Oh I get it Theo. Your enot showing how what i say doesnt apply which is all i need to know.

youve resorted to the high school tactics again. talk of educating and this line of drivel. its the saddest thing watching you try to prop your weakass feces with this drivel.

You weren't aware that he played TE in college. I informed you of this. You weren't aware that National Scouting provided times for players before the Combine. I informed you of this. It's not a "tactic" it's what happened.

 

[zrinkill]

After seeing him play, I question anyones football IQ that would not want that kid.

He is a Football Player ..... Old School.

 

[theogt]

Schmitt's athleticism

How was anything I said about his athleticism misleading or lying?

and sure show the emails. like i said iw ant proof because quite frankly youll say or do anything to try and seem like youre right.

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/members/contact.php

You can contact them yourself if you like. They're very polite and typically respond very quickly.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

You weren't aware that he played TE in college. I informed you of this. You weren't aware that National Scouting provided times for players before the Combine. I informed you of this. It's not a "tactic" it's what happened.

Actually i was i specifically asked whether he did it more than a dozen times. you keep making crap up there.

and like i said iwant proof of any of this and you cant t do it. you make this stretch where 4 starts from a site that says he played it occasionally menas he ready to play TE on the NFL level. that is specious at best.

And how about you educate with some proof. i dont think you lie but i do think your deluded.

 

[khiladi]

After seeing him play, I question anyones football IQ that would not want that kid.

He is a Football Player ..... Old School.

I think it is not about wanting him...

It is more a question of what is his value and whether we actually need him...