Pacman faces two felony charges

[superpunk]

But the real problem for Pac isn't the bite anyway, which would appear to be a bogus charge. The problem is you have witnesses claiming Pac was threatening people and then his posse comes back later shooting, leaving a mman paralyzed. That's the coercion charge and it's plenty of reason for Pac to be worried.

I believe there have been articles where it describes how the investigation has been unable to link PacMan to anything that happened outside the club (I don't think the paralyzed man has anything to do with the charges, is what Im saying)

 

[fortdick]

Sure it is. The fact that they tested Pac's DNA means they had a sample from the guys leg to match it against, otherwise why test it? It wasn't a lack of DNA evidence, it was a lack of a match. It either matches the DNA or it doesn't. And it didn't. How is that not exculpatory? If they did not have a valid sample to compare Pac's DNA to you might have a point but if that were the case why would they test Pac's DNA twice?

But the real problem for Pac isn't the bite anyway, which would appear to be a bogus charge. The problem is you have witnesses claiming Pac was threatening people and then his posse comes back later shooting, leaving a mman paralyzed. That's the coercion charge and it's plenty of reason for Pac to be worried.

How do they know they had a sample? Do they have one of those CSI swabby things that they stick into a wound a tells you that there is foriegn DNA in there? They swab the area, take it to the lab, test it, and if there is no foriegn DNA, there is no match. I have never heard or read that there was someone else's DNA found, only that there was no evidence of Jones' DNA.

How folks jump to these conlcusions is beyond me.

Any you are right. He is charged with threatening to shoot people right before they were shot by him or his "associates. I guess to some that is not a crime if there is no DNA evidence.

 

[fortdick]

I believe there have been articles where it describes how the investigation has been unable to link PacMan to anything that happened outside the club (I don't think the paralyzed man has anything to do with the charges, is what Im saying)

ARRRRGH!

If I say I am gonna shoot you, and one of my homies shoots you, then I guess I am tied to it, whether I was the one that pulled the trigger or not.

Why are folks trying to make excuses for this guy? Please, explain it to me. I want to understand!

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Plus, it's Pac Man's agent who said that twice there was no match.

First, do you trust Pac Man's agent?

Second, how do we know there weren't more than two tests done?

If you notice, the DA would neither confirm nor deny that any match had been made or not made.

 

[WoodysGirl]

ARRRRGH!

If I say I am gonna shoot you, and one of my homies shoots you, then I guess I am tied to it, whether I was the one that pulled the trigger or not.

Why are folks trying to make excuses for this guy? Please, explain it to me. I want to understand!

I don't think anyone is making excuses for him. I think people are trying to understand the legal process. And based on rudimentary knowledge of the facts, it seems that there may not be enough to connect all the dots to Pac.

 

[DLCassidy]

I believe there have been articles where it describes how the investigation has been unable to link PacMan to anything that happened outside the club (I don't think the paralyzed man has anything to do with the charges, is what Im saying)

They have a threat and they have a friend of Pac's who was there coming back and doing the shooting. They may have more- or are you assuming also that this just grandstanding? It would only take a plea deal with the shooter to nail Pac on this. I assume he is guilty on the coercion charge.

Why? It was Pac's money that got scooped up. It was Pac that was pulling the hair of the dancer and making threats. He had a clear motive. Why would his buddy really care if Pac lost a few grand? It wasn't like he was going broke. The shooter had no clear motive other than pleasing Pac. I agree you need evidence to prove Pac put him up to it to convict in a court of law, but don't ask me to assume he didn't do it.

 

[fortdick]

They have a threat and they have a friend of Pac's who was there coming back and doing the shooting. They may have more- or are you assuming also that this just grandstanding? It would only take a plea deal with the shooter to nail Pac on this. I assume he is guilty on the coercion charge.

Why? It was Pac's money that got scooped up. It was Pac that was pulling the hair of the dancer and making threats. He had a clear motive. Why would his buddy really care if Pac lost a few grand? It wasn't like he was going broke. The shooter had no clear motive other than pleasing Pac. I agree you need evidence to prove Pac put him up to it to convict in a court of law, but don't ask me to assume he didn't do it.

Here, at last, the voice of reason.

 

[justbob]

Well...I wonder why they are going forward now.

Does not make much sense unless they think they got him on camera or something.

The lack of DNA evidence on a bite does not eliminate Pacman from being the
one who did the biting . Unlike TV shows dna evidence is a small portion of the evidence and is not always found at crime scenes or on victims. The
fact that the victim is living decreases the changes of finding it

 

[fortdick]

The lack of DNA evidence on a bite does not eliminate Pacman from being the
one who did the biting . Unlike TV shows dna evidence is a small portion of the evidence and is not always found at crime scenes or on victims. The
fact that the victim is living decreases the changes of finding it

Yeah, what he said.

 

[Doomsday101]

Kaleb (Tallahassee, Fl): Do you think that the individuals around him are to blame (peer pressure) or jones himself?

Floyd Reese: He's in his early 20s and a pro football player and you would like to believe he is making his own decisions. But there are patterns here, as far as the group of people he is hanging out with along with the bars and strip clubs late at night.

Damn Floyd you know running the streets late at night hanging out at strip clubs is what everyone does at least according to some around here.

 

[zeromaster]

Hmmm I wonder exactly how many cameras would a strip club actually have..:laugh2:

Not to mention the lighting and all those moving objects.

 

[DLCassidy]

How do they know they had a sample? Do they have one of those CSI swabby things that they stick into a wound a tells you that there is foriegn DNA in there? They swab the area, take it to the lab, test it, and if there is no foriegn DNA, there is no match. I have never heard or read that there was someone else's DNA found, only that there was no evidence of Jones' DNA.

How folks jump to these conlcusions is beyond me.

Any you are right. He is charged with threatening to shoot people right before they were shot by him or his "associates. I guess to some that is not a crime if there is no DNA evidence.

What would be the possible point of testing Pac's DNA twice if they didn't have a viable sample from the wound to compare it against? And unless it was a very minor bite, they'd be bite marks to compare against Pac's teeth. Again, they'd either match or they wouldn't.

 

[Yeagermeister]

The lack of DNA evidence on a bite does not eliminate Pacman from being the
one who did the biting . Unlike TV shows dna evidence is a small portion of the evidence and is not always found at crime scenes or on victims. The
fact that the victim is living decreases the changes of finding it

True they can always have Grissom make a mold of the bite mark and compare it to Paci's teeth.

 

[DLCassidy]

The lack of DNA evidence on a bite does not eliminate Pacman from being the
one who did the biting . Unlike TV shows dna evidence is a small portion of the evidence and is not always found at crime scenes or on victims. The
fact that the victim is living decreases the changes of finding it

I get that. But one more time if they didn't have any DNA why test Pac twice?

 

[Vintage]

Damn Floyd you know running the streets late at night hanging out at strip clubs is what everyone does at least according to some around here.

Like who?

 

[silverbear]

No need to guess. We have forensic evidence showing conclusively that he didn't do it.

LOL... you guys say we shouldn't "rush to judgement", then you turn around and judge the guy INNOCENT...

The only thing you have is his lawyer's ASSERTION that DNA evidence exonerates Pac-Man, but you ASSUME that said lawyer is giving you the straight story; how naive is THAT??

And am I remembering incorrectly, or did that lawyer say it was one of the STRIPPERS who said he bit her, not a bouncer??

So are we talking about the same accusation here??

More important, why would the DA proceed on a charge if there really was exculpatory DNA evidence?? I know you Jones defenders have already started the process of trashing this prosecutor (with nothing substantial to go on), but that would be one mighty stupid prosecutor...

 

[Vintage]

I get that. But one more time if they didn't have any DNA why test Pac twice?

They had DNA. But it didn't match PacMan's DNA.

 

[Concord]

Put this guy on the case...It will be solved.

 

[Vintage]

LOL... you guys say we shouldn't "rush to judgement", then you turn around and judge the guy INNOCENT...

The only thing you have is his lawyer's ASSERTION that DNA evidence exonerates Pac-Man, but you ASSUME that said lawyer is giving you the straight story; how naive is THAT??

And am I remembering incorrectly, or did that lawyer say it was one of the STRIPPERS who said he bit her, not a bouncer??

So are we talking about the same accusation here??

More important, why would the DA proceed on a charge if there really was exculpatory DNA evidence?? I know you Jones defenders have already started the process of trashing this prosecutor (with nothing substantial to go on), but that would be one mighty stupid prosecutor...

I was just commenting on the DNA stuff since someone asked about it.

As far as guilt/evidence, I would assume that the prosecution has something in the form of other evidence since they are charging him.

 

[silverbear]

Do you have forensic evidence he didn't threaten lives?

He doesn't actually have any forensic evidence at all... what he has is a CLAIM by Pac-Man's attorneys, one that he assumes is the straight story, but of course he doesn't know that it really is the truth...

Nope, he just ASSUMES it is, apparently because he WANTS to believe it's true...

Which means, of course, that he's gone and done what these defenders have been saying WE shouldn't do, he's passed judgement his own self...