Pacman Jones visited strip club before April hearing...*update*

[Yeagermeister]

Bingo.

But he's still stupid to keep going back too them.

 

[theogt]

But he's still stupid to keep going back too them.

Absolutely. I chuckled when I heard it. It's one thing if he wants to be defiant and exercise his right to do what he wants on his free time (which I truly support), but if you're going to roll over and take it from Goodell (which is probably the smartest thing to do at this point) then it looks really stupid on his part.

 

[AsthmaField]

No, going to a strip club isn't illegal... but when you're going to an appeal to try to shorten your suspension, common sense tells you don't go to the same type of joint that got you into trouble in the first place... particularly not on the night before the appeal.

You'd think that Jones would understand that the Commish might be looking for sincerity from him. As in Jones actually being sincere about his remorse for getting into trouble and giving the league that supports him and many others, a black eye in the court of public opinion.

Does it look like Jones has any remorse for what he did if he goes to the strip club on the eve of his appeal? No, of course not. He had to know that if anyone in the NFL caught wind of him going that it would hurt his chances with the appeal. He still took that chance because the lure of that type of establishment was too strong. That doesn't speak loudly that he's learned any lesson and or that he will show any self-restraint in the future.

If I'm the NFL, I look at this incident and think, "He'll never learn nor will he ever change".

 

[lspain1]

So....I have some questions.

Pac Man has enough money to get ladies to come in and strip for him in the privacy of his own home on a stage custom built for the purpose. Given this, why does he need to go to the club? Is there some social need that has nothing to do with the girls? I obviously am missing something, but this seems like extremely self destructive behavior that could easily have been avoided. I understand going to a strip club is not illegal but he has to understand how damaging this is to his pocketbook and his career right now.

 

[Yeagermeister]

No, going to a strip club isn't illegal... but when you're going to an appeal to try to shorten your suspension, common sense tells you don't go to the same type of joint that got you into trouble in the first place... particularly not on the night before the appeal.

You'd think that Jones would understand that the Commish might be looking for sincerity from him. As in Jones actually being sincere about his remorse for getting into trouble and giving the league that supports him and many others, a black eye in the court of public opinion.

Does it look like Jones has any remorse for what he did if he goes to the strip club on the eve of his appeal? No, of course not. He had to know that if anyone in the NFL caught wind of him going that it would hurt his chances with the appeal. He still took that chance because the lure of that type of establishment was too strong. That doesn't speak loudly that he's learned any lesson and or that he will show any self-restraint in the future.

If I'm the NFL, I look at this incident and think, "He'll never learn nor will he ever change".

You could have stopped right there

 

[WoodysGirl]

Goodell aware of Jones' pre-hearing visit to club

By Chris Mortensen
ESPN.com


On the eve of his appeal to NFL commissioner Roger Goodell, Adam "Pacman" Jones probably should avoid what he did the last time he was in New York for the meeting that led to his one-year suspension.

Jones went to a strip club, sources close to the league, the players association and Jones have confirmed.

The night before his April 3 meeting with Goodell to talk about all of his off-field shenanigans, Jones made a late-night trip to an adult New York club. Jones was spotted inside the club shortly after he had a face-to-face meeting with two leading veteran players, Takeo Spikes and Troy Vincent, who traveled to New York to urge Jones to clean up his act.

When the Goodell and Jones met the next day, the commissioner already was made aware of Jones' late-night excursion because security from the strip club tipped off NFL security.

Rather than directly confront Jones, the commissioner gave him a test, sources said.

According to these sources, Goodell asked Jones what he was doing to help himself to change his lifestyle. Jones gave a lot of the right answers, such as volunteering that he was going to avoid the nightclub scene.

The commissioner asked him if the self-imposed ban included strip clubs. Jones said yes.

Goodell then asked Jones the last time he had visited a strip club.

Jones became a bit fidgety, perhaps suspicious that the commissioner was on to him, before he answered, "A day ago," sources said.

Technically, Jones told the truth, even though his actual timeline was less than 24 hours by the moment he met with Goodell.

Nobody but Goodell knows for sure how it factored in his decision to suspend Jones for the 2007 season, but it's safe to assume it didn't help the player's case.

Friday's appeal will be a more formal hearing in which Jones' legal representatives will present a list of 283 NFL players who have had off-field issues or encounters without being suspended for an entire season. In other words, they will attempt to show there was no recent precedent for Goodell's harsh decision.

The problem for Jones is that his case is appealed to the commissioner -- the same person who made the decision to suspend him for the 2007 season for conduct detrimental to the league on numerous occasions. Even with a spirit of cooperation between the NFL Players Association and Goodell on the issue of player conduct, the goal of having the new policy drafted into the collective bargaining agreement hit a wall.

Gene Upshaw, executive dirtector of the NFLPA, refused to adopt the new conduct policy into the CBA unless suspensions of one year or longer could be appealed to an independent aribtrator. The commissioner refused, citing the proposal as a last-minute ambush by the union, sources said.

Goodell certainly will cite that his suspension of Jones includes the ability for Jones to be reinstated after the 10th game if he stays out of trouble and is cleared of pending cases in Las Vegas and Atlanta.

If Goodell lets his original decision stand, there are legal scholars -- some of whom have lofty positions in other professional sports leagues -- who believe Jones might have a case if he seeks a remedy through the federal courts.

Chris Mortensen covers the NFL for ESPN.

 

[dgr81]

^

The night before his April 3 meeting with Goodell to talk about all of his off-field shenanigans, Jones made a late-night trip to an adult New York club.

@ those of you still debating this topic

 

[iceberg]

Dan Patrick just reported that Chris Mortenson was told that Pacman Jones visited a strip club in New York the night before his appeal.​

Club security tipped off the NFL. Goodell knew this and asked what Jones was going to do to get his name out of the paper. He told the commissioner he was imposing a self-ban on himself from strip clubs. Goodell then asked him the last time he visited a strip club. He paused and said "ummm... last night, but that's the last one"...​

Mortenson said that indications are that Jones will not only be suspended for the entire 2007 season, but half of 2008 as well.​

being someone who has gone to those a time or two in the past, i can't begrudge him for going initially. HOWEVER - if it's proven to be a problem with him and he's said he'll avoid them - he's a bone-dense moron for going back and risking millions of $$$ to give hundreds to someone who won't give give a damn about him as soon as the song is over.

with all that $$$ he can hire them to be his private dancer and the problem is solved.

 

[theogt]

The commissioner asked him if the self-imposed ban included strip clubs. Jones said yes.

Well I'll be darned.

 

[Angus]

It's called freedom.

Or license.

 

[Everlastingxxx]

Pacman needs to tone it down a little.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

PACMAN JONES WAS NOT SUSPENDED BECAUSE HE WENT TO A STRIP CLUB.

What don't you get?

I suppose it's the part where you have authority to dictate what Goodell can and can not do. Perhaps you should sit down and write a letter to Roger Goodell and explain to him that he can not do what it is that he is apparently doing.

Also, maybe you can write a letter to the NFL players Union and advise them that you are available to represent them in this thing.

Please let us all know what that works out.

 

[theogt]

I suppose it's the part where you have authority to dictate what Goodell can and can not do. Perhaps you should sit down and write a letter to Roger Goodell and explain to him that he can not do what it is that he is apparently doing.

Also, maybe you can write a letter to the NFL players Union and advise them that you are available to represent them in this thing.

Please let us all know what that works out.

I never said Goodell has or does not have the authority to ban him from attending strip clubs. Why would you think I said that?

 

[AsthmaField]

You could have stopped right there

:laugh2:

True enough. It's clear that Jones doesn't have a lick of common sense. Good Lord. He must actually rationalize things like this in his mind. He must think: "Well, it isn't illegal and as long as I don't get into any fights or cause any sort of commotion, then I'm not doing anything wrong. The NFL can't stop me from going to strip clubs, so, I'm going to do it."

He should be thinking at least to stay away from that sort of place until the appeal is done with. He should have at the very least gone somewhere he isn't recognized and try to be as incognito as possible.

My bet is that being recognized and treated special is a big part of the appeal those places hold for him. Being just another guy watching isn't likely enough.

 

[Doomsday101]

Pacman appears to be his own worst enemy. If he can show just a little self control he has a chance to play in 08 but it appears he can't control himself.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

he's a bone-dense moron

Now, this one, I particularly like. "Bone-Dense Moron"

Honestly, I think you've surpased yourself on that one Ice.

:laugh2:

 

[Verdict]

So there is no misunderstanding what I'm saying, I will preface what I am about to say with thefollowing:

1. Pac Man appears to be a thug with bad character;
2. He has exhibited poor judgment repeatedly;
3. He should be suspended;
4. The league needs to make an example out of him;
5. The odds are he is way more culpable than even the current facts show.
6. NFL players should be good role models.

I agree that him going to a strip club after everything that has happened is lunacy. I also understand that once a person has run it in the ditch like Pac Man has that certain restrictions on his conduct are reasonable.

Here is my concern. The NFL isn't in the business of building churches, ministers, or saints. Pac Man engaged in a legal activity and did not apparantly violate any state, federal, or local law in doing so. If the commisioner suspends him additional games for a lawful activity, at some point it may come under court scutiny. If the NFL were to lose that legal battle it would probably curtail the commisioner's powers and limit his effectiveness to mete out future punishment.

Keep in mind the more punishment that a person has imposed upon him by the NFL, the greater the chance that it will be tested in court. Further the more unreasonable the punishment the greater the chance it will be overturned. If he suspends Pac Man for one or two games in 2008 I doubt it will be an issue that he would bother taking to court. If he gets suspended for all of 2008, that would make two full years suspension, making it an almost certainty that he will seek redress from the courts.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

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[ABQCOWBOY]

I never said Goodell has or does not have the authority to ban him from attending strip clubs. Why would you think I said that?

Well, it's pretty simple. Because that is what I said and you seem to have taken issue with it. This would lead me to believe that you are in disagreement. If you are not, then what I said stands. There is no arguement.

 

[theogt]

Well, it's pretty simple. Because that is what I said and you seem to have taken issue with it. This would lead me to believe that you are in disagreement. If you are not, then what I said stands. There is no arguement.

No. What you said does not stand. You were quite wrong. Here is what you said:

Last time I checked, nobody is going to jail for it either.

Playing in the NFL is a privilage, not a right. You can go to strip clubs till the Cows come home, so to speak. In fact, most players probably do. For one "Pacman Jones", he can continue to go to clubs all he wants. He just can't go to them and still be part of the NFL. Simple as that.

He can go to them and be part of the NFL. There is nothing stopping him. Goodell did not suspend him for going to a strip club. Goodell has not conditioned his suspension on not going to a strip club.

The "ban" is entirely self-imposed and is probably well-advised. However, you were wrong.