Pacman Jones visited strip club before April hearing...*update*

[Avery]

This guy kills me.

 

[Ceasaleo88]

It's crazy to me that security snitched on him being there and it's even crazier that he didn't slip security a lil of that "make it rain" money to secure them not snitching on him

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[theogt]

It's crazy to me that security snitched on him being there and it's even crazier that he didn't slip security a lil of that "make it rain" money to secure them not snitching on him

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I doubt very seriously that the security called up the NFL offices to snitch. I'm not even sure why Mortenson would add that piece of information to the story even if it were true.

 

[Verdict]

I think the way the Commissioner gets around this is to tie it to personal conduct clauses. I am not certain of exactly what those entail but I would suspect that it gives Goodell broad powers. To be honest, I think the NFL planned this to be as such. I believe that Tagliablue was the guy who was ment to get the money with TV and players right and Goodell was the guy pegged to deal with the NFL players issues that are becoming more apparent. I think the players went for the money and didn't pay much attention to things like this. Will be interesting to see how this works out.

Your point is understood. The problem is that it is just not that clear cut.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

You want me to provide you with what ? What verbiage?

I'm not sure what you're asking me to provide. What actions are imposed? Do you mean what actions are prohibited?

The NFL does not ban Pac-man or any other player from attending strip clubs. Do you want me to provide a link to a document saying that they do not ban such activity?

I can't provide a link to a document stating that they do not ban brushing your teeth. But I assure they do not.

Regardless, as Mortenson pointed out in his article, the "ban" on Pacman's strip club excursions was completely self-imposed.

In this case, it is not about what players, in general, can do or not do. You know this because it has been clearly explained. It is specifically about what will be accepted behavior from PacMan. Your basically saying, if I understand it, Strip Clubs have no influence on the Commissioner's ruling. I don't believe that. If PacMan says that it's self impossed, fine. I suspect that the Commissioner would have put something in place to discourage that in any event. We will see when Friday comes. As it stands now, everything is speculation but we will see. The truth is that you saying I'm wrong about this or that rediculous. Nothing has been decided one way or the other. You don't know what criteria will be used as basis for suspension. All I'm saying is that Goodell appears to be doing this with an eye towards player conduct and the image of the NFL. It is not beyound belief that he will consider clubs and those types of activities as justification suspensions.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Your point is understood. The problem is that it is just not that clear cut.

I agree. Will be interesting to see what happens.

 

[Doomsday101]

I'll say this if Pacman keeps hanging out at places like strip clubs don't be surprised to see him involved with more altercations. It is not hard to find trouble and you find out most trouble people run into could have been avoided if a little common sense was being used. Where you hang out and who you hang with plays a big part.

 

[Hoov]

I'll say this if Pacman keeps hanging out at places like strip clubs don't be surprised to see him involved with more altercations. It is not hard to find trouble and you find out most trouble people run into could have been avoided if a little common sense was being used. Where you hang out and who you hang with plays a big part.

The thing when he goes to the club im sure he brings an entrouge and spends a lot of cash and attracts a lot of attention. Im sure it is not a low key outing. Thats why trouble finds these guys.

 

[Clarkson]

I think his initial suspension was unfair.
The only time he really got in trouble was at the strip club. Almost everything else has been dropped. He doesnt have the best history but its not like he's been convicted of a bunch of stuff.

I dont see he isn't allowed to go to strip clubs, either.

 

[theogt]

In this case, it is not about what players, in general, can do or not do. You know this because it has been clearly explained. It is specifically about what will be accepted behavior from PacMan. Your basically saying, if I understand it, Strip Clubs have no influence on the Commissioner's ruling. I don't believe that. If PacMan says that it's self impossed, fine. I suspect that the Commissioner would have put something in place to discourage that in any event. We will see when Friday comes. As it stands now, everything is speculation but we will see. The truth is that you saying I'm wrong about this or that rediculous. Nothing has been decided one way or the other. You don't know what criteria will be used as basis for suspension. All I'm saying is that Goodell appears to be doing this with an eye towards player conduct and the image of the NFL. It is not beyound belief that he will consider clubs and those types of activities as justification suspensions.

Huh? He's already been suspended. He wasn't suspended for attending a strip club.

You said that he can't be in the NFL and go to strip clubs. You were wrong. It's ok to just admit it. You weren't the only one who held that thought. Several other posters indicated it was their belief as well. It's wrong. At the time it appeared pertinent to the coversation to point that out. So, I did.

Edit: See? There's someone two posts below that thinks he was suspended for going to a strip club.

 

[Doomsday101]

The thing when he goes to the club im sure he brings an entrouge and spends a lot of cash and attracts a lot of attention. Im sure it is not a low key outing. Thats why trouble finds these guys.

No doubt. He is an easy target and the wrong element can spot a high roller from a mile away. Still Pacman could avoid the whole situation by not hanging out at places like that. With so much to loose it is a no brainer, stop hanging out at places like that. This is the same thing that was hurting Irvin, hanging out at Dallas strip clubs and getting involved with bad people who do not give a rats ars about you and these people will help drag you down.

 

[NeonNinja]

I don't feel sorry for Pacman one bit, he wants to keep doing the old things that got him suspended in the first place than say goodbye to the NFL, it's not your right to be here.

 

[Danny White]

I'm as shocked about this as I was when I heard that Paris Hilton is still driving even though she's going to be doing time for driving on a suspended license.

 

[DLCassidy]

You guys wasting your time arguing about something from April :laugh2:

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[ABQCOWBOY]

Huh? He's already been suspended. He wasn't suspended for attending a strip club.

You said that he can't be in the NFL and go to strip clubs. You were wrong. It's ok to just admit it. You weren't the only one who held that thought. Several other posters indicated it was their belief as well. It's wrong. At the time it appeared pertinent to the coversation to point that out. So, I did.

Edit: See? There's someone two posts below that thinks he was suspended for going to a strip club.

Yes, but he is scheduled to meet with Goodell on Friday in regards to any appeal etc.

I did not think he was suspended for going to a strip club. I'd appriciate it if you could just find any statement where I said he was, as opposed to fabricating one. I said that it is not going to be acceptable to the Commish for him to be frequenting these types of establishments and I believe that to be true, under his specific circumstances.

It's OK to admit you probably need to be enrolled in Evelyn Wood's Reading Dynamics Courses. I believe they are offered online.

 

[zeromaster]

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[theogt]

Yes, but he is scheduled to meet with Goodell on Friday in regards to any appeal etc.

I did not think he was suspended for going to a strip club. I'd appriciate it if you could just find any statement where I said he was, as opposed to fabricating one. I said that it is not going to be acceptable to the Commish for him to be frequenting these types of establishments and I believe that to be true, under his specific circumstances.

What you were wrong about was that he can't go to a strip club. Here ya go:

Last time I checked, nobody is going to jail for it either.

Playing in the NFL is a privilage, not a right. You can go to strip clubs till the Cows come home, so to speak. In fact, most players probably do. For one "Pacman Jones", he can continue to go to clubs all he wants. He just can't go to them and still be part of the NFL. Simple as that.

You were wrong. It's as simple as that.

Want more?

It is exactly that simple. The commish has leeway in this matter to judge based on exhibited behavior. In the case of PacMan, he is exhibiting the kind of hehavior that has gotten him into the trouble he is in now. There is a certain amount of remorse and rehabilitation, if you will, that must be shown. In the case of PacMan, it has not been demonstrated.

Other players can go to clubs just as I said earlier. PacMan can not because he has shown that he can not be trusted to represent the Business (NFL) appropriatly. This is not uncommen. Because he is a public figure, you might say that he represents the NFL 24x7. The NFL has the right to protect the interests of the business. It is Goodell's call.

Pure, unadulerated statements that Pacman cannot go to strip clubs.

It's OK to admit you probably need to be enrolled in Evelyn Wood's Reading Dynamics Courses. I believe they are offered online.

Will they learn me some virbage?

 

[joseephuss]

Pacman has to everything better than other players because he has already been suspended. This is especially true since he is apealing his suspension. This is not some average player going to a strip club. It is Pacman Jones. He could have met the entire AFC pro-bowl squad at the strip club, but they are not being judged for the actions because they haven't screwed up like him.

It was not him being at a strip club in the first place that go him in trouble. It was his actions in that strip club. And that was not him throwing money around. It was him allegedly beating up a woman at the club and one of his posse shooting and killing a person. I keep seeing strip club as the focus, but it was the actions that made the problem. It could have been just a regular night club just as easily. In fact, Pacman has had several other incidents that count against him that did not occur in any strip clubs.

Even going to a strip club now is not really the problem with Pacman. It is him saying he will clean up his act by not going to strip clubs any more and the last time he went happened to be the night before his meeting with the commisioner. It shows that he may have a problem holding up his end of the bargain and won't continue making poor judgements. That is the bigger picture.

In school, you don't improve greatly upon a F average by just making Ds. You have to make As and Bs and show you are willing to work hard. Going to a strip club the nigh before a meeting just shows you are still a poor student and will continue making Ds and Fs.

As for one poster asking why Pacman does not just hire private strippers and do it at home. I don't think that is a good idea. I don't think any player should do it in general and especially Pacman right now. He has to take a break from any action that can look bad. For any player in general, I think that puts them in to easy a position for a stripper to lie and say they were mistreated. It only takes one stripper with a head for scheming and money making to make up some story of how she was made to do something against her will to create a problem. It could happen in a club as well, but it would just be more difficult to do because there would be other people around.

 

[Jarv]

I have some really good Yes cd's for the
trip this guy is on. :

I just think his ego is a little FRAGILE. I heard he told the Commish he was just GOING FOR THE ONE stripper he liked. But the new guy threw the hammer down and basically said YOURS IS NO DISGRACE that will touch this new NFL.

Maybe he should have taken a ROUNDABOUT route and bypassed the strip club, but he didn't want to deal with the LONG DISTANCE RUNAROUND.

Ah well, such is life in AMERICA (Sorry, I know it was a S&G remake).

You have good taste YESFAN...

 

[DanTanna]

Name the last good thing to come from going to one?

Man I can name about 20 good things that have happened in there. One of them begins with the word BOING!



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