Pacman Jones visited strip club before April hearing...*update*

[silverbear]

I thought the idea was to get him to stay out of trouble not turn him into a choirboy if he is suspended further he will sue the NFL and win, and i do not even like strip clubs but visiting one is not illegal.

If he gets suspended, it won't be because he visited that strip club, it will be for a lengthy record of run-ins with the law...

Where the trip to the strip club will factor in is when the new Commissioner decides how much leniency Pac-Man deserves... that little episode suggests he doesn't deserve any...

It was hanging out in places he didn't belong that got the guy in trouble in the first place... frankly, I don't understand why ANY NFL player would need to hang around a freakin' strip club, those guys have got to have women throwing themselves at them all the time...

 

[silverbear]

Last time I checked, looking at nude women dancing for you was not illegal.

If you get in legal trouble at a strip club, it's probably a good idea to stay away from them... especially if you're hoping to get some lenience for the time you got in trouble at a strip club...

Playing in the NFL is a PRIVILEGE, not a right... and with that privilege comes certain responsibilities, one of the biggies being staying out of trouble with the law...

If Pac-Man thinks that going to strip clubs is more important to him than making a jillion dollars playing in the NFL, then he's welcome to take up residence in one of them... but don't come whinig to me when the league decides he no longer deserves the privilege of playing in the NFL...

 

[silverbear]

Maybe he's a sex addict and has to go to strip bars.

Nothing I hate more than the holier than thou types you see on so many webboards.

So, you're saying you're holier than those who are criticizing Pac-Man??

 

[silverbear]

It's called freedom.

So, you're saying the NFL has no right to expect a certain code of conduct from its players??

I'd say the law disagrees with you on that, or it would have put a stop to the league suspending players a LONG time ago...

I guess you figure that shooter down at Virginia Tech had the right to do what he did, eh?? I mean, to deny him that right is to deny him HIS freedom, right??

Freedom is not carte blanche to whatever the h*ll you want, any time you want... in fact, most of our laws directly infringe on such "freedom"...

 

[silverbear]

It is exactly that simple. The commish has leeway in this matter to judge based on exhibited behavior. In the case of PacMan, he is exhibiting the kind of hehavior that has gotten him into the trouble he is in now. There is a certain amount of remorse and rehabilitation, if you will, that must be shown. In the case of PacMan, it has not been demonstrated.

VERY well said, my man... how sad that it will go right over the heads of those who are busy defending Pac-Man's right to be as big a jerk as he wants to be...

He CAN be just as big a jerk as he wants to be, he just can't play in the NFL if that's the route he chooses... if I get arrested a time or two or three, I might just find myself out of a job, too...

 

[theogt]

VERY well said, my man... how sad that it will go right over the heads of those who are busy defending Pac-Man's right to be as big a jerk as he wants to be...

He CAN be just as big a jerk as he wants to be, he just can't play in the NFL if that's the route he chooses... if I get arrested a time or two or three, I might just find myself out of a job, too...

There's a difference between defending him and saying that going to a strip club shouldn't (and doesn't) result in him losing his job.

 

[silverbear]

Hey, I'm not saying anything about suspending him because he went to another strip club. You guys are right that there's nothing illegal about it.

I'm commenting that it's obvious that if he did, he still doesn't 'get it' and probably never will.

And if he keeps doing down that road, he'll never be reinstated into the league.

The thing is, our legal system does what Goodell's doing to Pac-Man ALL THE TIME... they have presentencing reports that the judge considers before sentencing a criminal; those who receive positive reports get more lenient sentences, those who demonstrate a continuing pattern of questionable behavior get the book thrown at them... so for Goodell to factor in this putz's ongoing fascination with strip clubs is eminently reasonable, eminently fair...

Frankly, those of you who are defending Pac-Man in this have likely never learned the lesson my drill sergeant Dad drummed into my thick skull on a near-daily basis-- a man's actions have consequences, and if you're not willing to accept the consequences of a particular action, DON'T DO IT...

Certainly, Pac-Man would do well to learn that lesson, and live it...

 

[superpunk]

This is the multi-quote function.

Just as an aside.

Keep fighting the good fight, theo.

 

[silverbear]

I think it is one thing for a coach to say I don't want my players going to strip clubs and another thing for the NFL to have a policy in place punishing a player for going to a strip club.

He's not being punished for going to a strip club, he's being punished for getting arrested...

Think of it this way-- you're a druggie, up for sentencing before a judge... are you going to get a more severe sentence if a presentencing report shows that you've given up drugs, or if that report shows that you're still using??

Pac-Man got arrested in a strip club, naturally Goodell would be happier with him if he stopped going to strip clubs, and his punishment would be lighter... but going to a strip club the night before meeting with the Commish regarding his legal issues, well, that's just braindead defiance, and the lad DESERVES to get the book thrown at him...

 

[Concord]

Dan Patrick just reported that Chris Mortenson was told that Pacman Jones visited a strip club in New York the night before his appeal.​

Club security tipped off the NFL. Goodell knew this and asked what Jones was going to do to get his name out of the paper. He told the commissioner he was imposing a self-ban on himself from strip clubs. Goodell then asked him the last time he visited a strip club. He paused and said "ummm... last night, but that's the last one"...​

Mortenson said that indications are that Jones will not only be suspended for the entire 2007 season, but half of 2008 as well.​

This guy is just **** all stupid.

 

[silverbear]

What you were wrong about was that he can't go to a strip club. Here ya go:

You were wrong. It's as simple as that.

Want more?

Pure, unadulerated statements that Pacman cannot go to strip clubs.

I think that you're reading that "he can't go to a strip club" a bit more literally than it was intended... I think that might have been more accurate if it had read "it seems he can't go to strip clubs without getting into trouble, and if he keeps getting into trouble, pretty soon he won't be able to play in the NFL"...

Like I say, I THINK that's what the original author meant... he's free to correct me if I'm misinterpreting his words...

All I know is if I got arrested a couple-three times at a strip club, I might decide all on my own that I probably shouldn't keep going to strip clubs...

 

[silverbear]

Big deal....

If you haven't 'Made it Rain' at a strip club your missing out...

How very strange, I've never been to a strip club, and I don't feel like I'm missing out...

My Daddy always told me that sex wasn't meant to be a spectator sport...

 

[silverbear]

There's a difference between defending him and saying that going to a strip club shouldn't (and doesn't) result in him losing his job.

Yes, there is, and my remarks are not aimed at those who are merely making that point...

 

[theogt]

I think that you're reading that "he can't go to a strip club" a bit more literally than it was intended... I think that might have been more accurate if it had read "it seems he can't go to strip clubs without getting into trouble, and if he keeps getting into trouble, pretty soon he won't be able to play in the NFL"...

Like I say, I THINK that's what the original author meant... he's free to correct me if I'm misinterpreting his words...

All I know is if I got arrested a couple-three times at a strip club, I might decide all on my own that I probably shouldn't keep going to strip clubs...

He was never arrested. Or charged, for that matter, regarding the strip club incident.

 

[silverbear]

He was never arrested. Or charged, for that matter, regarding the strip club incident.

I was using an extreme example, to make a point...

 

[dogunwo]

Dan Patrick just reported that Chris Mortenson was told that Pacman Jones visited a strip club in New York the night before his appeal.

Club security tipped off the NFL. Goodell knew this and asked what Jones was going to do to get his name out of the paper. He told the commissioner he was imposing a self-ban on himself from strip clubs. Goodell then asked him the last time he visited a strip club. He paused and said "ummm... last night, but that's the last one"...

Mortenson said that indications are that Jones will not only be suspended for the entire 2007 season, but half of 2008 as well.​

Pacman is a moron for putting himself in a situation, but how can the commish come down harder on him for visiting a place that is not against the law, open to the public, and not against the NFL bylaws? Isnt Pacman a grown man?

 

[silverbear]

Pacman is a moron for putting himself in a situation, but how can the commish come down harder on him for visiting a place that is not against the law, open to the public, and not against the NFL bylaws? Isnt Pacman a grown man?

The league's been doing just that for a long, long time now... Paul Hornung and Alex Karras got suspended, but never were charged with any crimes...

 

[theogt]

The league's been doing just that for a long, long time now... Paul Hornung and Alex Karras got suspended, but never were charged with any crimes...

Strip club.......

Betting on games......

Hmm.....

 

[dogunwo]

The league's been doing just that for a long, long time now... Paul Hornung and Alex Karras got suspended, but never were charged with any crimes...

Betting on games represents behavior that can directly affect the sport. Even if you claim you dont bet on your sport, the suspicion is there. Big difference between that and a strip club.

Not defending Pac Man's intelligence one bit. I think he is an idiot for going to a place that has the potential (at least for him) to be trouble. I just find the idea that the commissioner can suspend him further for attending a strip club, self imposed ban or not, quite ridiculous.

 

[silverbear]

Betting on games represents behavior that can directly affect the sport. Even if you claim you dont bet on your sport, the suspicion is there. Big difference between that and a strip club.

Getting arrested can turn off the sponsors, and THAT directly affects the sport, too...

Not defending Pac Man's intelligence one bit. I think he is an idiot for going to a place that has the potential (at least for him) to be trouble. I just find the idea that the commissioner can suspend him further for attending a strip club, self imposed ban or not, quite ridiculous.

Kindly show me where it was said that the Commissioner has given, or will give, Pac-Man a longer suspension just because of that night in the strip club...

At the same time, just as a judge has discretion in sentencing a drug offender depending on whether or not the offender is still using, the Commissioner of the NFL has similar discretion when handing down punishments for infractions... I'd rather expect a first-time offender who shows contrition to get a more lenient punishment than a repeat offender who not only displays no contrition, he actually seems to be displaying defiance for the Commissioner's authority...