Pacman Jones visited strip club before April hearing...*update*

[onetrickpony]

I thought the idea was to get him to stay out of trouble not turn him into a choirboy if he is suspended further he will sue the NFL and win, and i do not even like strip clubs but visiting one is not illegal.

Going to any bar, strip club or not, is not a good idea when you are under investigation. If you can't stay out of those places for a few months when you REALLY need to stay away from any trouble, you either have no self control or no understanding at all of the situation you are in.

Take Paris Hilton for a really bad example. I saw reports where she was seen driving again while appealing her conviction for driving with a suspended license. Now there may be some differences of oppinion as to whether her license is still suspended or not but if she had a clue, she would be letting her chauffeur do ALL the driving while things get worked out. The last thing she needs is to get into an accident right now even if it wasn't her fault. Do you think anyone would believe her if she said the other person caused the accident?

That is the same problem with Pacman and clubs. If ANYTHING illegal happens while he is there, the accusations are going to fly and no amount of whining and claiming innocense is going to be believed. It may not be fair, but that is the way it is. He should have enough sense to know that with all he has been through but it doen't seem to be the case. And his friends aren't doing him any favors by not working on him to stay away from even the possibility of getting into trouble for the next 12 months.

 

[Sarge]

Speechless................

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Talk about freaking Big Brother.

Good lord.

Sweet Jahosophat, that's a sweet sig!

and PacMan, you're a freakin' idiot man

 

[WoodysGirl]

Just to be clear... according to the article. Jones visited the strip club before his April hearing with the commish. There is no report saying he has visited one since...

The night before his April 3 meeting with Goodell to talk about his off-field conduct, Jones made a late-night trip to an adult New York club. Jones was spotted inside the club shortly after he had a face-to-face meeting with two leading veteran players, Takeo Spikes and Troy Vincent, who traveled to New York to urge Jones to clean up his act.

 

[ThreeSportStar80]

Does anything this dumb @## takes part in surprise anyone..I mean really???

 

[stealth]

What did I miss? I was at the strip club.

 

[bbgun]

Lay off. He's young, entitled, and not breaking any laws. Oh wait, that's the Romo spin.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Lay off. He's young, entitled, and not breaking any laws. Oh wait, that's the Romo spin.

yeah, that's it, George Michaels

 

[McCordsville Cowboy]

Big deal....

If you haven't 'Made it Rain' at a strip club your missing out...

 

[Big Dakota]

Pacman has to everything better than other players because he has already been suspended. This is especially true since he is apealing his suspension. This is not some average player going to a strip club. It is Pacman Jones. He could have met the entire AFC pro-bowl squad at the strip club, but they are not being judged for the actions because they haven't screwed up like him.

It was not him being at a strip club in the first place that go him in trouble. It was his actions in that strip club. And that was not him throwing money around. It was him allegedly beating up a woman at the club and one of his posse shooting and killing a person. I keep seeing strip club as the focus, but it was the actions that made the problem. It could have been just a regular night club just as easily. In fact, Pacman has had several other incidents that count against him that did not occur in any strip clubs.

Even going to a strip club now is not really the problem with Pacman. It is him saying he will clean up his act by not going to strip clubs any more and the last time he went happened to be the night before his meeting with the commisioner. It shows that he may have a problem holding up his end of the bargain and won't continue making poor judgements. That is the bigger picture.

In school, you don't improve greatly upon a F average by just making Ds. You have to make As and Bs and show you are willing to work hard. Going to a strip club the nigh before a meeting just shows you are still a poor student and will continue making Ds and Fs.

As for one poster asking why Pacman does not just hire private strippers and do it at home. I don't think that is a good idea. I don't think any player should do it in general and especially Pacman right now. He has to take a break from any action that can look bad. For any player in general, I think that puts them in to easy a position for a stripper to lie and say they were mistreated. It only takes one stripper with a head for scheming and money making to make up some story of how she was made to do something against her will to create a problem. It could happen in a club as well, but it would just be more difficult to do because there would be other people around.

Nice post. The location doesn't matter. He needs to change his actions. Maybe put down the Hennessy, the blunt, and the tough street guy persona and wise up. Trouble can find you and you can find it anywhere.

 

[zrinkill]

Lay off. He's young, entitled, and not breaking any laws. Oh wait, that's the Romo spin.

Only a complete idiot would compare beating a womans head against a stage to judging a beauty pageant.

Why am I not surprised at who did it. :laugh2:

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Only a complete idiot would compare beating a womans head against a stage to judging a beauty pageant.

Why am I not surprised at who did it. :laugh2:

if you listen to bbgun's ideas on women, you wouldn't be suprised that he sees no difference between the 2's situations

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

What you were wrong about was that he can't go to a strip club. Here ya go:

You were wrong. It's as simple as that.

Want more?

Pure, unadulerated statements that Pacman cannot go to strip clubs.

Will they learn me some virbage?

I wrote that in reference to the following:

Originally Posted by CanadianCowboysFan
Last time I checked, looking at nude women dancing for you was not illegal.


What's more, I posted it in this manner.

"Last time I checked, nobody is going to jail for it either.

Playing in the NFL is a privilage, not a right. You can go to strip clubs till the Cows come home, so to speak. In fact, most players probably do. For one "Pacman Jones", he can continue to go to clubs all he wants. He just can't go to them and still be part of the NFL. Simple as that."

Now, any sane person can probably discern the intent of my post but, since we are talking about you, I will explain. The poster was commenting on the legality of going to strip clubs. My post was an attempt to point out that legally, there was no issue. However, in the eyes of the commish, I doubted that he would see it that way. Convenient of you to leave out the rest of the post. Obviously, my attempt to point out the obvious was lost on you. For that, I appoligize.

As for the second part of your post, well, all that I posted is true, evidenced by the fact that at least two people were shot and one women beaten up. Events that likely would not have happened had PacMan not been in the club. This, of course, is to say nothing of the pending charges in Ga. and Tenn. In fact, there have been 10 seperate incidnets since PacMan has come into the league. This does not take into consideration anything that happened while at WV. In short, your "evidence" is irrelivant. It doesn't matter what the Law says or even what the NFL publicly says. It's about what Goodell views as acceptable. If you think that Goodell is going to view the PacMan show at the nearest convenient Strip Club, come Friday, you are very possibly as screwed up as PacMan is. Never the less, if you wish to say that I am wrong, that's fine. Events will prove themselves out and I can live with your opinion without to much loss of sleep.

Lastly, I don't believe you can be taught (learned). You have shown me that it is pointless to even consider the idea. Not enough to work with I think. I am a terrible speller. Something I have admitted to many times over on this board but it is OK for you to point it out. It's true, no arguement from me. However, the point about Evelyn Wood is still relevant. The course is designed to teach speed reading in conjunction with the ability to understand and retain what you are reading. I think you got the speed part down but the rest you need some serious attention with. Everything you read apparently goes in and comes out designed to support whatever BS you are pitching on a given day.

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[fortdick]

I thought the idea was to get him to stay out of trouble not turn him into a choirboy if he is suspended further he will sue the NFL and win, and i do not even like strip clubs but visiting one is not illegal.

I don't know about football, but baseball is exempt from law suits pertaining to league policies. They have an anti-trust exemption.

After the Black Sox incident, Judge Landis became the Commish of BB and locked out those players "suspected" of taking bribes. Even though acquitted, they were not allowed to play again.

I think that the league must have some similar exemption or else they would not have taken the hard stance they did. They do have some pretty sharp lawyers that can certainly anticipate anything we can.

Let me think this one through . . . .

NFL's lawyers. . . . .

Pacman Jones. . . . .

Which is smarter. . . . .

 

[notherbob]

I don't claim to have any special knowledge of the case, but it seems to me that the two unreported police incidents that were supposed to be reported and were not, were big parts of the reasons for the suspension but not the whole reason. I believe Goodell is reserving judgement on the Las Vegas strip club matter until there is an indictment or not in the matter.

I suspect that he likes the tough Gangsta image and revels in it, which a lot of people do and it's OK so long as you are not actually engaging in any obvious criminal activity. The trouble with acting like a gangster is that real gangsters shoot at you (ask Keith Davis) and if the cops catch you being a real gangster, they send you to prison, which pays a lot less than the NFL. How cool can you really be if you are looking out between the bars and wishing you were somewhere else...like in a strip club?

Still, he has as much of a right to go to strip clubs as anyone else of age. How he acts and what he does there determines the outcome. There's something about being a loud obnoxious showoff in a strip club that pisses off the other showoffs there. It can be an exciting life but a short one.
Maybe he'll learn, maybe he won't. I'm not going to lose any sleep over it either way, but at least it's something to talk about in the off-season.
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[Angus]

Perception, not legality or morality, is the issue.

The NFL needs to protect its image, not so much with the present fans as with the current non-fans. It probably has investigated the perceptions of hard working, honest people who don’t hang around bars or strip joints and has found they think people who do frequent those places are likely thugs or ne’er-do-wells. When the news blares stories of professional football players out late at night drinking and carousing, getting in fights or worse and driving under the influence of liquor or drugs, the growing perception such people have of the NFL is that it is a loose rabble of criminals or near-criminals paid large amounts of money to be irresponsible.

The NFL wants those people to become fans, and for already-fans to stay fans. If the bad perception persists and grows, it is a money loser for the owners, the players, and the NFL. It is not morality that the NFL is trying to advance; it is business responsibility. If the NFL rids the NFL of Adam Jones (or any other player who contributes to the unwanted perception), it is to protect its business, not to punish Jones for being a bad boy. If it tells him to either stay away from strip clubs or stay away from the NFL, it is to protect its business, not to reform his habits.

Others might concentrate on the legality or morality of its actions, but not the NFL. It’s focus is on money. And the perception is a threat.

 

[Boyzmamacita]

I just think his ego is a little FRAGILE. I heard he told the Commish he was just GOING FOR THE ONE stripper he liked. But the new guy threw the hammer down and basically said YOURS IS NO DISGRACE that will touch this new NFL.

Maybe he should have taken a ROUNDABOUT route and bypassed the strip club, but he didn't want to deal with the LONG DISTANCE RUNAROUND.

Ah well, such is life in AMERICA (Sorry, I know it was a S&G remake).

You have good taste YESFAN...

You left out the fact that Pacman's actions are way too CLOSE TO THE EDGE.

 

[theogt]

I wrote that in reference to the following:

Originally Posted by CanadianCowboysFan
Last time I checked, looking at nude women dancing for you was not illegal.


What's more, I posted it in this manner.

"Last time I checked, nobody is going to jail for it either.

Playing in the NFL is a privilage, not a right. You can go to strip clubs till the Cows come home, so to speak. In fact, most players probably do. For one "Pacman Jones", he can continue to go to clubs all he wants. He just can't go to them and still be part of the NFL. Simple as that."

Now, any sane person can probably discern the intent of my post but, since we are talking about you, I will explain. The poster was commenting on the legality of going to strip clubs. My post was an attempt to point out that legally, there was no issue. However, in the eyes of the commish, I doubted that he would see it that way. Convenient of you to leave out the rest of the post. Obviously, my attempt to point out the obvious was lost on you. For that, I appoligize.

As for the second part of your post, well, all that I posted is true, evidenced by the fact that at least two people were shot and one women beaten up. Events that likely would not have happened had PacMan not been in the club. This, of course, is to say nothing of the pending charges in Ga. and Tenn. In fact, there have been 10 seperate incidnets since PacMan has come into the league. This does not take into consideration anything that happened while at WV. In short, your "evidence" is irrelivant. It doesn't matter what the Law says or even what the NFL publicly says. It's about what Goodell views as acceptable. If you think that Goodell is going to view the PacMan show at the nearest convenient Strip Club, come Friday, you are very possibly as screwed up as PacMan is. Never the less, if you wish to say that I am wrong, that's fine. Events will prove themselves out and I can live with your opinion without to much loss of sleep.

Lastly, I don't believe you can be taught (learned). You have shown me that it is pointless to even consider the idea. Not enough to work with I think. I am a terrible speller. Something I have admitted to many times over on this board but it is OK for you to point it out. It's true, no arguement from me. However, the point about Evelyn Wood is still relevant. The course is designed to teach speed reading in conjunction with the ability to understand and retain what you are reading. I think you got the speed part down but the rest you need some serious attention with. Everything you read apparently goes in and comes out designed to support whatever BS you are pitching on a given day.

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I would just like to point out that the above post, with the bolded portion, was in reponse to my reply to this post:

Yes, but he is scheduled to meet with Goodell on Friday in regards to any appeal etc.

I did not think he was suspended for going to a strip club. I'd appriciate it if you could just find any statement where I said he was, as opposed to fabricating one. I said that it is not going to be acceptable to the Commish for him to be frequenting these types of establishments and I believe that to be true, under his specific circumstances.

It's OK to admit you probably need to be enrolled in Evelyn Wood's Reading Dynamics Courses. I believe they are offered online.

 

[superpunk]

see also: Talking in circles.

 

[Seven]

I don't claim to have any special knowledge of the case, but it seems to me that the two unreported police incidents that were supposed to be reported and were not, were big parts of the reasons for the suspension but not the whole reason. I believe Goodell is reserving judgement on the Las Vegas strip club matter until there is an indictment or not in the matter.

I suspect that he likes the tough Gangsta image and revels in it, which a lot of people do and it's OK so long as you are not actually engaging in any obvious criminal activity. The trouble with acting like a gangster is that real gangsters shoot at you (ask Keith Davis) and if the cops catch you being a real gangster, they send you to prison, which pays a lot less than the NFL. How cool can you really be if you are looking out between the bars and wishing you were somewhere else...like in a strip club?

Still, he has as much of a right to go to strip clubs as anyone else of age. How he acts and what he does there determines the outcome. There's something about being a loud obnoxious showoff in a strip club that pisses off the other showoffs there. It can be an exciting life but a short one.
Maybe he'll learn, maybe he won't. I'm not going to lose any sleep over it either way, but at least it's something to talk about in the off-season.
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:laugh2: