Parcells is holding team back?

[Crown Royal]

If BP really thought that Henson was going to be the man, he would not have gotten Bledsoe. He would have not played Vinny all season. BP does not think Henson is going to cut it, but JJ does. So that is the impasse. There has only been a couple of QB's that have come out in the last 2 years that I would have wanted- and cost of trading up to get one is just too high. Especially when we need so many other positions strengthened. I have a hunch that BP might have seriously thought about Leftwich, but made the mistake of thinking he could do OK with what he had- or that there would be a shot at getting another one down the road. Maybe he thought Henson could be the one; but I don't think he does any more. You need at least 3 years to get a rookie QB to the point where he is more of a help then a hindrance. Unless you get real lucky. Rothlisberger may be one of those- we shall see this season if the only reason he looked so good last year is that he had to do very little. If BP did not think we are fairly close to making the big jump, he would not have gotten Bledsoe. If he thought that we were at least 2 years away from being able to really go for it, then he might have gone with Henson. I believe that BP is gambling that we make the playoffs this year, get comfortable with the 3-4, and go for it all next year. Henson in no way is thought by BP to be able to perform as well as he thinks Bledsoe can do- so there you are. Bottom line- I think BP sees Henson as no more then a good journeyman.

Or we traded for Henson with every intention of making him a longterm project (mostly because we already had Carter and Romo and knew we were considering Vinny). Heaven forbid we stay the course.

 

[cannonball44]

IMO, damn near ALL the blame is SQUARELY on JJ.... we missed out on a LOT of good players because his drafting.

The rest is on Zimmer....

 

[Duane]

You're on fire this morning Crown. Great posts.

 

[dargonking999]

IMO, damn near ALL the blame is SQUARELY on JJ.... we missed out on a LOT of good players because his bull**** drafting.

The rest is on Zimmer....

so i see you've been drink with HH huh?

 

[jksmith269]

IMO, damn near ALL the blame is SQUARELY on JJ.... we missed out on a LOT of good players because his drafting.

The rest is on Zimmer....

Exactly what I said but you used less words LOL

 

[Alexander]

What on earth could Coach Parcells do?

I don't like Bledsoe one single bit, but we all know there was not a better option.

So should we have traded our two first round picks for Alex Smith?

Drafted Aaron Rodgers or Jason Campbell at 20?

Taken Charlie Frye at 42?

Don't make me wretch.

Henson is not ready. He is not even to the point of a good QB after four years of college ball fresh in his head.

So until he is, what exactly is Parcells holding back?

 

[jksmith269]

What on earth could Coach Parcells do?

I don't like Bledsoe one single bit, but we all know there was not a better option.

So should we have traded our two first round picks for Alex Smith?

Drafted Aaron Rodgers or Jason Campbell at 20?

Taken Charlie Frye at 42?

Don't make me wretch.

Henson is not ready. He is not even to the point of a good QB after four years of college ball fresh in his head.

So until he is, what exactly is Parcells holding back?

I'd rather have Rogers or Campbell than Henson

 

[dargonking999]

I'd rather have Rogers or Campbell than Henson

Why Henson has playeed in the NFL more thna they have, has more experince and to me has more upside, he only cost us a 3rd pick, those guys were first round, high bust high boom kinda of guys

 

[jksmith269]

Why Henson has playeed in the NFL more thna they have, has more experince and to me has more upside, he only cost us a 3rd pick, those guys were first round, high bust high boom kinda of guys

Well I just don't have much love for a person who turned his back on FB until his baseball trip came crashing down then went to the money. I don't think he has a love for the game. and those two players aren't almost 4 years removed from college and actually playing FB like Henson was last year.

I really don't know I just don't have a good feeling about Henson. I hope I'm wrong atleast he has shown dedication this offseason. I will give him that.

 

[twa]

Crown is knocking em out today...keep it up
While I would love to see Henson or another young qb take control of this team,I think Parcells might have a better perspective than I do.

Why the rush to throw a unproven talent to the wolves?

I know Aikman worked out ,but that could as easily gone the other way.
How about the old school method of earning the position?

 

[Alexander]

I'd rather have Rogers or Campbell than Henson

I don't think either are significantly better than Henson would be if he had four years of college in him. The key is the price we paid. I am much happier with two defensive starters than a QB who will sit around for a few years.

In fact, considering the price, I would just as soon sit Henson, let him get one more year and then see if he can take the job from Bledsoe in 2006.

Rodgers is not going to be a successful player this season for the Packers. He is already looking terrible for them. Campbell would be fortunate to start next year and he needs refinement too.

 

[notherbob]

Or we traded for Henson with every intention of making him a longterm project (mostly because we already had Carter and Romo and knew we were considering Vinny). Heaven forbid we stay the course.

We won't have to wait long to see what we have at QB. The next 6-7 weeks are going to show us a whole lot.

Henson's throwing technique will undoubtably be improved, the real question; however, is when he will begin learning to quickly read rapidly changing defensive formations and learn to pick up the blitzes.

Romo should be more advanced at defensive play recognition and may earn the backup position because of it. For me, Henson's problem was not only with his low throwing motion but mainly his inability to deal with the blitz.

It's going to be a real interesting pre-season.

Slowly but surely Parcells is putting some good depth into place.

 

[jem88]

totally agree...he chose the wrong guy from day one...

David

Who was the right guy? Hutchinson? I actually quite liked Anthony Wright, but given the choice of Carter or Hutch, I'd go with Quincy.

 

[dbair1967]

I'd rather have Rogers or Campbell than Henson

I wouldnt...niether is anywhere near as close to the rating Henson carried after his JR year

besides, the fickle folks would be crucifying either one of them unless they looked like Troy Aikman in his prime from day one

David

 

[dbair1967]

Who was the right guy? Hutchinson? I actually quite liked Anthony Wright, but given the choice of Carter or Hutch, I'd go with Quincy.

the right answer was probably none of the above to be honest....however, he didnt give Hutchinson much of a shot here, for whatever reason...but now the fact is Hutchinson is firmly entrenched as the #2 guy in Chicago and has a chance to win their starting job, their coaching staff seems to like him...he played decently for them last season when he did get a chance...Carter is out of the league and with each day that passes seems more and more likely he'll never get a chance again...

David

 

[dbair1967]

Lack of talent has been holding this team back. If you want to place blame, put it on the front office and coaching staff prior to the 2003 season.

you might add in lack of coaching from 94-02 as well...the head coaches during that time frame were all pathetic jokes

and please, nobody give me this "but Troy ran off Chan Gailey" garbage either...Gailey was, and still is today a terrible head coach

David

 

[jem88]

you might add in lack of coaching from 94-02 as well...the head coaches during that time frame were all pathetic jokes

and please, nobody give me this "but Troy ran off Chan Gailey" garbage either...Gailey was, and still is today a terrible head coach

David

Couldn't agree more. CNNSI recently ran an article in which it proclaimed Gailey as the worst coach in the NCAA.

 

[jksmith269]

I wouldnt...niether is anywhere near as close to the rating Henson carried after his JR year

besides, the fickle folks would be crucifying either one of them unless they looked like Troy Aikman in his prime from day one

David

Big difference is he only started 8 games in 2000 where Campbell and Rogers both played all their games the last season in college.

Henson
2000 SEASON
Played in nine games, starting the final eight … Completed 146 of 237 passes (61.6 percent) for 2,146 yards, 18 touchdowns and only 4 interceptions … His 2,146 yards rank seventh on the school's season-record list … Scored twice on 33 carries … Averaged 237.8 yards per game in total offense.

Aaron Rodgers
2004 SEASON
NAME G ATT COM PCT YDS YDS/ATT YDS/G INT TD
1. Aaron Rodgers 12 316 209 66.1 2566 8.1 213.8 8 24


Jason Campbell

13 games 270 attempts 188 compl 7 Int's 20 TD's 2700yrds 69.6 Comp%


So both Rodgers and Campbell were good enough to start their entire last year Henson wasn't, They both had better Comp% than Henson, Both threw for more yards. Now the yards is easy to see they played more but normally with more games you'd see their comp% be lower than hensons but not this time his prob would be even lower with more INT's if he'd played a full season.

So I stand by what I said and can back up the stats you wanted to throw out. Campbell and Rodgers both had better College careers than Henson.

EDIT: Campbell had a 172.9 *** rating in 04 Which Henson couldn't touch.

 

[blindzebra]

Big difference is he only started 8 games in 2000 where Campbell and Rogers both played all their games the last season in college.

Henson
2000 SEASON
Played in nine games, starting the final eight … Completed 146 of 237 passes (61.6 percent) for 2,146 yards, 18 touchdowns and only 4 interceptions … His 2,146 yards rank seventh on the school's season-record list … Scored twice on 33 carries … Averaged 237.8 yards per game in total offense.

Aaron Rodgers
2004 SEASON
NAME G ATT COM PCT YDS YDS/ATT YDS/G INT TD
1. Aaron Rodgers 12 316 209 66.1 2566 8.1 213.8 8 24


Jason Campbell

13 games 270 attempts 188 compl 7 Int's 20 TD's 2700yrds 69.6 Comp%


So both Rodgers and Campbell were good enough to start their entire last year Henson wasn't, They both had better Comp% than Henson, Both threw for more yards. Now the yards is easy to see they played more but normally with more games you'd see their comp% be lower than hensons but not this time his prob would be even lower with more INT's if he'd played a full season.

So I stand by what I said and can back up the stats you wanted to throw out. Campbell and Rodgers both had better College careers than Henson.

EDIT: Campbell had a 172.9 *** rating in 04 Which Henson couldn't touch.

Henson was coming off an injury which is why he only started 8 games, so your good enough to start a full season is crap.

Pretty easy to have a great QB rating when you have two RBs that got drafted early in the first round.

 

[dbair1967]

Big difference is he only started 8 games in 2000 where Campbell and Rogers both played all their games the last season in college.

Henson
2000 SEASON
Played in nine games, starting the final eight … Completed 146 of 237 passes (61.6 percent) for 2,146 yards, 18 touchdowns and only 4 interceptions … His 2,146 yards rank seventh on the school's season-record list … Scored twice on 33 carries … Averaged 237.8 yards per game in total offense.

Aaron Rodgers
2004 SEASON
NAME G ATT COM PCT YDS YDS/ATT YDS/G INT TD
1. Aaron Rodgers 12 316 209 66.1 2566 8.1 213.8 8 24


Jason Campbell

13 games 270 attempts 188 compl 7 Int's 20 TD's 2700yrds 69.6 Comp%


So both Rodgers and Campbell were good enough to start their entire last year Henson wasn't, They both had better Comp% than Henson, Both threw for more yards. Now the yards is easy to see they played more but normally with more games you'd see their comp% be lower than hensons but not this time his prob would be even lower with more INT's if he'd played a full season.

So I stand by what I said and can back up the stats you wanted to throw out. Campbell and Rodgers both had better College careers than Henson.

EDIT: Campbell had a 172.9 *** rating in 04 Which Henson couldn't touch.

hate to burst your bubble but stats are for losers...who cares what stats people post in college once they get to the NFL? If college stats mattered, wouldnt David Klingler, Gino Torreta and Andre Ware be superstars?

I'm looking at what system a QB played in, his release, accuracy and arm strength...Henson's better than both of those guys in all those categories by a long shot...Michigan QB's have fared well in the NFL over the past 10-15yrs, and Henson's easily the most physically gifted on them...

David