Parcells plans to play Tony Romo "quite a bit" this preseason

[Angus]

Neither did Chan Gailey, Dave Campo or Wade Wilson.

The whole organization has failed at developing QBs since Norv Turner left.

Since we haven't seen Henson or Romo get extended time in real games we don't really know whether there has been a failure at developing a quarterback. Better wait to see the product before you pronounce it a failure, don't you think?

 

[Alexander]

Hard to blame some of the coaches when they only attempted to draft one QB in the first day (QC).

Your cruelty knows no bounds, sir.

 

[Jarv]

Well...he got shot in the throat. He's never coming back.

:laugh1:

Did miss something or is this a joke ? I thought Norm left here on good terms ?

 

[superpunk]

Did miss something or is this a joke ? I thought Norm left here on good terms ?

DAVID Palmer?

Someone doesn't watch 24.

Or forgot that our new QB coach's name is Chris Palmer.:

 

[The Realist]

While I don't think much of Parcells' ability to judge QB talent (TEs and LBs ok...but not QBs) .

Simms, Hostetler, Bledsoe, Pennington........

Tells us everything we need to know about your ability to judge talent evaluators.

 

[Alexander]

Since we haven't seen Henson or Romo get extended time in real games we don't really know whether there has been a failure at developing a quarterback. Better wait to see the product before you pronounce it a failure, don't you think?

You can look at some backup QBs in preseason and pretty much tell.

Take a player we had around here for years: Mike Quinn. Remember him? He only played a few quarters and you could just tell. Same with Paul Justin. We cut him after a game.

You could watch Clint Stoerner play and tell he was in over his head.

I am not comparing either of our current two to these players because it would be rather insulting, but you don't absolutely have to see them in a regular season contest to have a slight inkling of what to expect.

If that's the case, most coaches in the league are doing themselves an injustice by not playing their third stringers in meaningless games across the league. You rarely see it because most coaches don't think like fans. Regular season games are for winning, not evaluation. About the only time this would be acceptable to any self-respecting coach is if the team had a playoff spot wrapped up.

If they thought like some fans and just threw backups out there late in seasons, well then those coaches are probably the ones you see that cannot hold their job.

 

[Alexander]

Simms, Hostetler, Bledsoe, Pennington........

Tells us everything we need to know about your ability to judge talent evaluators.

Retort: Well, three of those players were first round choices, that's tough to mess up.

How dare we forgive Coach Parcells for not drafting obscure QBs and developing them into quality starters? Every other coach in the league is doing it! Why can't he?

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Simms, Hostetler, Bledsoe, Pennington........

Tells us everything we need to know about your ability to judge talent evaluators.

He wanted to replace Simms with Negal. That's a fact. He almost lost Simms all together. Hostetler was a decent QB but he was by no means great. Bledsoe was a good pick but he never really spent the majority of his time under Parcells. Pennington is not proving to be all that great of a pick right this minute. It's true that injuries can happen to anybody but in the end, the knock on Pennington was his arm. Right now, I'd have to say that this is proving to be the case.

 

[The Realist]

Retort: Well, three of those players were first round choices, that's tough to mess up.

How dare we forgive Coach Parcells for not drafting obscure QBs and developing them into quality starters? Every other coach in the league is doing it! Why can't he?

I'd be willing to bet the hit to miss ratio on first round QB's is 2 to 1 the wrong way.

 

[The Realist]

He wanted to replace Simms with Negal. That's a fact. He almost lost Simms all together. Hostetler was a decent QB but he was by no means great. Bledsoe was a good pick but he never really spent the majority of his time under Parcells. Pennington is not proving to be all that great of a pick right this minute. It's true that injuries can happen to anybody but in the end, the knock on Pennington was his arm. Right now, I'd have to say that this is proving to be the case.

He wanted to replace Simms with who?

What's this QB's full name?

Please tell me you aren't talking about Browning Nagel.

Wrong franchise and they never crossed paths.

 

[Alexander]

He wanted to replace Simms with Negal.

Who is Negal?

That's a fact. He almost lost Simms all together. Hostetler was a decent QB but he was by no means great.

What head coach has a 1.000 batting average for QBs? I think a low round pick like Hostetler winning a Super Bowl is pretty impressive and he had a long career, so Parcells did something right.

Bledsoe was a good pick but he never really spent the majority of his time under Parcells.

So that period under the guidance of Pete Carroll, Bill Belichick and Mike Mularkey meant more than the most productive years of his career under Parcells' watch?

Pennington is not proving to be all that great of a pick right this minute. It's true that injuries can happen to anybody but in the end, the knock on Pennington was his arm. Right now, I'd have to say that this is proving to be the case.

Coach Parcells is directly responsible for Pennington's shoulder injuries over the years? Will his incompetence never stop?

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I'd be willing to bet the hit to miss ratio on first round QB's is 2 to 1 the wrong way.

Perhaps but the percentage is much higher, the lower you go.

 

[Alexander]

He wanted to replace Simms with who?

What's this QB's full name?

Please tell me you aren't talking about Browning Nagel.

Wrong franchise and they never crossed paths.

Well, you can't ask for facts to be straight, particularly when you follow it up with "that's a fact".

At least he got the New York part right.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Who is Negal?



What head coach has a 1.000 batting average for QBs? I think a low round pick like Hostetler winning a Super Bowl is pretty impressive and he had a long career, so Parcells did something right.



So that period under the guidance of Pete Carroll, Bill Belichick and Mike Mularkey meant more than the most productive years of his career under Parcells' watch?



Coach Parcells is directly responsible for Pennington's shoulder injuries over the years?

Browning Negal.

You don't have to be 1000 but nobody ever claimed that. The truth about Hostetler is that he was decent but not great IMO. You can say he won a SuperBowl but I don't know that I would say that. He was the QB of the team that won the superbowl. A very good team BTW. What's more, he only did it once and never really came close again.

1 year does not a QB make. I don't care who he played under, other then Parcells, the majority of his experience came under different coaching staffs. Not under Parcells watch. That's just the fact.

Parcells is not responsible for anything other then drafting Pennington. In no way shape or form is he responsible for any other aspect of Pennington's career success or failures. However, it is true that the knock on Pennington coming out was his arm. Pennington is now in a situation where his career is certainly in dire straits because of his shoulder. I wouldn't exactly say that the critics were totally wide of the mark right there.

 

[Alexander]

Browning Negal.

Who never played for the Giants, okay, I think I am following you. No, wait, I lost you.

You don't have to be 1000 but nobody ever claimed that. The truth about Hostetler is that he was decent but not great IMO. You can say he won a SuperBowl but I don't know that I would say that. He was the QB of the team that won the superbowl. A very good team BTW. What's more, he only did it once and never really came close again.

And Hostetler's failure to make a Super Bowl in Oakland or Pittsburgh is a direct result of Parcells' failures as a QB developer. Why didn't I think of that?

1 year does not a QB make. I don't care who he played under, other then Parcells, the majority of his experience came under different coaching staffs. Not under Parcells watch. That's just the fact.

You lost me again here.

Parcells is not responsible for anything other then drafting Pennington. In no way shape or form is he responsible for any other aspect of Pennington's career success or failures. However, it is true that the knock on Pennington coming out was his arm. Pennington is now in a situation where his career is certainly in dire straits because of his shoulder. I wouldn't exactly say that the critics were totally wide of the mark right there.

I really have absolutely no idea where you are going with this.

 

[The Realist]

Browning Negal.

You don't have to be 1000 but nobody ever claimed that. The truth about Hostetler is that he was decent but not great IMO. You can say he won a SuperBowl but I don't know that I would say that. He was the QB of the team that won the superbowl. A very good team BTW. What's more, he only did it once and never really came close again.

1 year does not a QB make. I don't care who he played under, other then Parcells, the majority of his experience came under different coaching staffs. Not under Parcells watch. That's just the fact.

Parcells is not responsible for anything other then drafting Pennington. In no way shape or form is he responsible for any other aspect of Pennington's career success or failures. However, it is true that the knock on Pennington coming out was his arm. Pennington is now in a situation where his career is certainly in dire straits because of his shoulder. I wouldn't exactly say that the critics were totally wide of the mark right there.

Nagle and BP were never part of the same team at the same time.

BP did not almost replace Simms with Nagle.

That's a fact.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/NaglBr00.htm

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Well, you can't ask for facts to be straight, particularly when you follow it up with "that's a fact".

At least he got the New York part right.

My appoligies, Scott Brunner and later, Jeff Rutlidge. Look, you can pick out the inaccuracy in my original post and hang your hat on that as proof that the intent is wrong but it's not. Parcells did make huge mistakes with Simms. I would add that Simms was not BPs pick. It was George Young who picked Simms. Hostetler and all the rest, for that matter.

 

[Alexander]

My appoligies, Scott Brunner and later, Jeff Rutlidge. Look, you can pick out the inaccuracy in my original post and hang your hat on that as proof that the intent is wrong but it's not. Parcells did make huge mistakes with Simms. I would add that Simms was not BPs pick. It was George Young who picked Simms. Hostetler and all the rest, for that matter.

So if he had no play in any of these QB selections, why the desire to hold him accountable for their lack of results?

And one other thing. He is a defensive-minded coach. Always has been.

This is like holding Chan Gailey directly responsible because we never produced a great pass rusher during his tenure.

 

[CoCo]

While I don't think much of Parcells' ability to judge QB talent (TEs and LBs ok...but not QBs) I do feel that we have had some assistant coaches here who DO know QBs. Sean Payton and David Lee are both considered very good QB coaches and they have had a good look at both Romo and Henson. I think that if either of these guys (Romo and Henson) were as poor as you suggest that they would have been weeded out and sent packing.

At this point Romo seems to be ahead of Henson as he was the #2 all last year and through this recent mini-camp. And based on the fact that we have had Romo here for 3 years with some very good QB coaches looking at him and he is still the #2 guy tells me that he has the potential to play NFL QB at a high level. But I have yet to see anything that convinces me that Henson is out of the picture either.

Or...

It could be that our GM has said that Henson stays for X years almost regardless of his play. We did spend a 3rd and knew it could take some time to develop him amidst knocking off rust from baseball. Its very conceivable that Henson is staying despite recommendations from Lee &/or Payton to the contrary. Just speculating.

And Romo might be here because he truly has shown too much to cut him in favor of some older vet who may be a better b/u today but is too old to have a future with the team. Maybe there ARE better #2 QB options on the market but Parcells believes so much in Romos future potential that he is willing to risk some present danger for future payoff. And if Henson is truly untouchable at this point...

I think its entirely possible that Bill would prefer a vet b/u with Romo as #3 but Jerry has said that Henson stays. That leaves Bill with a dilemma he currently satisfies by staying with Romo.

I also think that Parcells wouldn't publicly ga-ga over Romo in deference to Henson and Jerry. Parcells typically holds his cards pretty close anyway.

I'm not convinced that Henson is out of the picture. But I am starting to think that the ice below him is growing thin. What is Bill's/Landry's year 3 rule? This is Henson's 3rd year.

Now even if Henson's year 3 TC is spotty the front office may want to keep him for yet another year. What could change that? If the Ivy League UDFA shows real promise they could still try to slip him through to the PS.

Its really difficult to discern the status of Romo & Henson but if you MADE me guess I would probably say that the coaches do indeed like what they have in Romo more than Henson at this point and after 2 full seasons and another Tcamp coming up it wouldn't shock me to see Henson moved out.

I'm not pro one or the other. I just want us developing a good QB for when Bledsoe is done.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Who never played for the Giants, okay, I think I am following you. No, wait, I lost you.



And Hostetler's failure to make a Super Bowl in Oakland or Pittsburgh is a direct result of Parcells' failures as a QB developer. Why didn't I think of that?



You lost me again here.



I really have absolutely no idea where you are going with this.

Lets just cut to the chase here, shall we?

How many SuperBowls did Hostetler win? Is he, was he ever considered elite?

Your lost, I think we can agree on that.

No idea or no idea how you can support your original position. That's probably closer to the mark.

As for the last, you know exactly where I'm going. I think the fact that you choose not to try and discuss it says volumes.