Parcells plans to play Tony Romo "quite a bit" this preseason

[ABQCOWBOY]

So if he had no play in any of these QB selections, why the desire to hold him accountable for their lack of results?

And one other thing. He is a defensive-minded coach. Always has been.

This is like holding Chan Gailey directly responsible because we never produced a great pass rusher during his tenure.

I'm not holding him to anything. That is you who has tried to take this discussion down that road in an attempt to support a weak position.

The original statement was that I do not believe Parcells has ever really been very good at developing QBs. You brought up Simms, Hostetler, Pennington and Bledsoe. Pennington and Bledsoe really don't belong in the discussion at all IMO. Not enough time to give Parcells credit for there development. Simms, he almost screwed up and would have if management had not stepped in. Hostetler was what he was. A decent QB that was never great IMO. If that is what you want out of a QB, then BP is probably your guy.

 

[The Realist]

I'm not holding him to anything. That is you who has tried to take this discussion down that road in an attempt to support a weak position.

The original statement was that I do not believe Parcells has ever really been very good at developing QBs. You brought up Simms, Hostetler, Pennington and Bledsoe. Pennington and Bledsoe really don't belong in the discussion at all IMO. Not enough time to give Parcells credit for there development. Simms, he almost screwed up and would have if management had not stepped in. Hostetler was what he was. A decent QB that was never great IMO. If that is what you want out of a QB, then BP is probably your guy.

Doesn't matter. Only he picked as GM was Pennington.

2 SB wins, got there a 3rd time and been to AFC Championship game 2 more times.

On top of that he won with Quincy and Ray Lucas.

Dude is clueless when it comes to QB's.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

And one other thing. He is a defensive-minded coach. Always has been.

This is like holding Chan Gailey directly responsible because we never produced a great pass rusher during his tenure.

That's right, he is, which is why you have no business trying to support your position on his ability to develop Franchise QBs.

Having said that, he is the head coach. He elects to try and win with strong defense, strong running game and strong special teams. He does not value the franchise QB. He gets credit for the things he does well, and he should. Developing QBs is not one of them, IMO. He is responsible for his time in Dallas and QBs will be part of that.

Why don't you just appoligies for him and be done with it.

 

[Alexander]

Lets just cut to the chase here, shall we?

How many SuperBowls did Hostetler win? Is he, was he ever considered elite?

Your lost, I think we can agree on that.

No idea or no idea how you can support your original position. That's probably closer to the mark.

As for the last, you know exactly where I'm going. I think the fact that you choose not to try and discuss it says volumes.

No, I really mean it.

Your argument made no sense.

You first want to call Parcells no good because he never developed a QB. Then several times you contradict that because you basically say it was not his fault as he had no hand in selecting the players.

Now you are nitpicking as well. Hostetler won a Super Bowl. He cut his teeth on a New York team coached by Bill Parcells.

So did Drew Bledsoe. And who developed Bledsoe? Carroll? Belichick? Mularkey?

Chad Pennington was rewarded with an elite contract several years ago and he was a Parcells selection and his career has been sidetracked by injury.

But the decision he made as a young head coach to start Scott Brunner over Phil Simms is all you've got?

I'll go with the coach who has the trophies on his resume plus four pretty successful QBs as well over your armchair assertions that he's no good at developing them.

I am not saying he's the best, but he certainly is above average. And that's very respectable for a coach with a defensive background.

BTW, in your estimation, what head coach in your estimation meets the high standards for developing QBs that apparently you have?

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Doesn't matter. Only he picked as GM was Pennington.

2 SB wins, got there a 3rd time and been to AFC Championship game 2 more times.

On top of that he won with Quincy and Ray Lucas.

Dude is clueless when it comes to QB's.

That's right. See, here is the problem. It is difficult for me to understand how short sided you can be on this. He doesn't do it with QBs. Nobody said he was not a great coach. In fact, I'm almost certain I did say that. Having said that, and lets just keep in mind that I've been watching Parcells coach since his days in Fort Collins, he has never been a strong QB developmental guy. Why, because that is not the way he believes in winning. It's only the truth. Why is that such a bad thing. Let me guess, it's because you didn't really take the time to see what was being discussed before you jumped right in. That, is only a guess, of course.

 

[InmanRoshi]

Is it just coincidence that all these "Parcells never developed a QB" posts pop up everytime the Hensonites believe their man has been slighted?

Because its not that they were wrong about Henson and he can't cut the mustard, its because Parcells can't develop him.

 

[Alexander]

Is it just coincidence that all these "Parcells never developed a QB" posts pop up everytime the Hensonites believe their man has been slighted?

Because its not that they were wrong about Henson and he can't cut the mustard, its because Parcells can't develop him.

Well, apparently it means that not a single one of these QBs had any accountability, but Parcells simply just failed all of them.

 

[The Realist]

What's the ultimate result one SHOULD be looking for?

Winning or developing QB's who put up Arena League Stats?

He develops QB's that know how to win and don't CAUSE his teams to lose.

Would you prefer he developed QB's that looked good losing?

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

No, I really mean it.

Your argument made no sense.

You first want to call Parcells no good because he never developed a QB. Then several times you contradict that because you basically say it was not his fault as he had no hand in selecting the players.

Now you are nitpicking as well. Hostetler won a Super Bowl. He cut his teeth on a New York team coached by Bill Parcells.

So did Drew Bledsoe. And who developed Bledsoe? Carroll? Belichick? Mularkey?

Chad Pennington was rewarded with an elite contract several years ago and he was a Parcells selection and his career has been sidetracked by injury.

But the decision he made as a young head coach to start Scott Brunner over Phil Simms is all you've got?

I'll go with the coach who has the trophies on his resume plus four pretty successful QBs as well over your armchair assertions that he's no good at developing them.

I am not saying he's the best, but he certainly is above average.

BTW, in your estimation, what head coach in your estimation meets the high standards for developing QBs that apparently you have?

This is just BS. I never said Parcells was no good. That is crap you made up. Nothing more.

Answer the question. How many superbowls did Hostetler win and was he ever considered elite?

Yes, all those coaches played a much bigger part in Bledsoes development then did Parcells. Good, bad or indifferent, that's the truth, IMO. Parcells simply did not have enough time with Bledsoe to say that he was responsible for Bledsoes development, good or bad. In fact, if you ask Bledsoe, he will tell you that it was his position coach who had the most effect on him early in his career. Pennington doesn't belong in the discussion at all. He was never developed by Parcells.

Parcells won with Lucas and Carter because he had a decent team around them. Not because they were great QBs. If they were great QBs, maybe he would have won championships with him. They didn't. Of course, if this is what you term as winning, then that's fine. Many do. I do not.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Is it just coincidence that all these "Parcells never developed a QB" posts pop up everytime the Hensonites believe their man has been slighted?

Because its not that they were wrong about Henson and he can't cut the mustard, its because Parcells can't develop him.

Your all over that one Rosh. Don't you have a interview to transcribe or something?

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

What's the ultimate result one SHOULD be looking for?

Winning or developing QB's who put up Arena League Stats?

He develops QB's that know how to win and don't CAUSE his teams to lose.

Would you prefer he developed QB's that looked good losing?

Well, I'm fine with this look, so long as it ends in winning a championship. You get back to me once this happens. Deal?

 

[The30YardSlant]

Good, Romo will finally get to prove who the better player is once and for all and we can end this silly honeymoon with Drew Henson.

Cue no less than 6 "**** with your stupid agenda" posts in the next 20 minutes.

 

[InmanRoshi]

Well, apparently it means that not a single one of these QBs had any accountability, but Parcells simply just failed all of them.

And amazingly enough, he was the only QB in NFLE surrounded by scrubs.


The odds stacked against Henson have been absolutely amazing.

 

[The Realist]

Well, I'm fine with this look, so long as it ends in winning a championship. You get back to me once this happens. Deal?

You get back to me when a QB doesn't play his best ball under Parcells.

Let's hear you spin this.

 

[InmanRoshi]

Well, I'm fine with this look, so long as it ends in winning a championship. You get back to me once this happens. Deal?

And you get back to us when Drew Henson or Chad Hutchinson starts tearing up the NFL under a more "QB-friendly" coach. Deal?

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Good, Romo will finally get to prove who the better player is once and for all and we can end this silly honeymoon with Drew Henson.

Cue no less than 6 "**** with your stupid agenda" posts in the next 20 minutes.

I don't know if this is intended for me or not HH. I guess I would just say that I don't feel as if I have an agenda other then to say that I would like to see the Cowboys move away from there current QB stratigy and finally start investing blue chip QB prospects in the draft.

 

[The30YardSlant]

I don't know if this is intended for me or not HH. I guess I would just say that I don't feel as if I have an agenda other then to say that I would like to see the Cowboys move away from there current QB stratigy and finally start investing blue chip QB prospects in the draft.

No, that is my feeling on the issue. Henson is a waste of time and God-given talent. It wasnt directed towards anyone, other than those who will annoit that opinion an agenda and shot it down.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

You get back to me when a QB doesn't play his best ball under Parcells.

Let's hear you spin this.

I'm not trying to spin anything. I would actually agree with this statement other then Simms early on. Parcells is a very good football coach. I just don't believe he is very good at developing QBs.

 

[Alexander]

This is just BS. I never said Parcells was no good. That is crap you made up. Nothing more.

The original statement was that I do not believe Parcells has ever really been very good at developing QBs.

I guess I made it up.

Answer the question. How many superbowls did Hostetler win and was he ever considered elite?

One and so now it's developing elite QBs? It's usually tactful in a debate to let someone know when you change the ground rules.

Yes, all those coaches played a much bigger part in Bledsoes development then did Parcells. Good, bad or indifferent, that's the truth, IMO.

I'll give you Belichick as freebie because he has the track record with Brady. But that means Pete Carroll and Mike Mularkey had more of an influence on Drew? Why is it I think if you asked him, he would laugh in your face?

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

And you get back to us when Drew Henson or Chad Hutchinson starts tearing up the NFL under a more "QB-friendly" coach. Deal?

How bout this. Maybe I can get back to you once we see what Leftwich or Rogers or any of the other QBs we passed on do whatever there going to do. Hows that?