Parnell to Jags

Doomsday101 · Mar 9, 2015

GloryDaysRBack said:
None of which means he's a better player

I can show you many examples or dollars not equaling level of play...

One simple way is when both competed who won the job? Free or Parnell?

big dog cowboy · Mar 9, 2015

Doomsday101 said:
OL players have looked at Free as a leader in their own words I have never heard anyone claim Parnell as a leader. Parnell has been nothing more than a backup he has had chances to take Free job and failed. If some poor organization wants to pay him 6.4 mill that is their choice and may explain why Jacksonville has been such a bad team. Overpaying for a guy who has done little is not a great move. I'm glad the Cowboys are thinking, they were not foolish enough to try and match that offer.

I can't imagine paying Parnell $6.4M. We signed the guy the other OL look to and follow your'e right. The Cowboys are thinking very clearly here.

Kaiser · Mar 9, 2015

Doomsday101 said:
Free is better that is why the only time Parnell has played is when Free has been injured. Parnell is not some rookie, he has been around and has yet to win that job outright. Because some loser team pays him 6.4 mill does not make him better player. Again if he is better he wins the job outright that has never happened. Jags overpayed for an avg player. Dallas paid an avg player a fair deal

You want to say Parnell is better because of a contract? lol When has he won the starting job that is how you gauge what a team thinks of a player.

Players take time to develop, players who didn't play High School or College ball take even longer. And Free didn't start until his third year in the league also, and then it was only because of injury.

Free was a better player last year but not by much. Going forward Parnell is the better player and the competitive bidding process of NFL FA shows that NFL teams agree with that.

Kaiser · Mar 9, 2015

Doomsday101 said:
One simple way is when both competed who won the job? Free or Parnell?

Miles Austin was a starter in 2013, should he have been given the starting job in 2014 because of that?

Doomsday101 · Mar 9, 2015

Kaiser said:
Players take time to develop, players who didn't play High School or College ball take even longer. And Free didn't start until his third year in the league also, and then it was only because of injury.

Free was a better player last year but not by much. Going forward Parnell is the better player and the competitive bidding process of NFL FA shows that NFL teams agree with that.

You don't know what Parnell will do, he has been around he has been cut by 2 teams he has had his chances and he has failed and because Jacksonville a poor team pays him it makes Parnell the better player? You have got to be kidding. He is a JAG and after this many season he is still a JAG. I have nothing against Parnell but sure as hell would not be paying him 6.4 mill a season.

CyberB0b · Mar 9, 2015

Kaiser said:
No one disputes Free is a leader on the OL. But you don't pay for leadership in the past, you pay for performance going forward. And if Free is clearly the better player going forward (which was conventional wisdom here) why did Free take half the money Parnell got? Even assuming the Jags overpaid (they did), the salaries wouldn't be close to each other. Jacksonville paid twice as much as Dallas because they had to. The league valued Parnell going forward more than Free, and Free's salary reflects that.

Free never hit the open market, so your logic is flawed.

Kaiser · Mar 9, 2015

big dog cowboy said:
I can't imagine paying Parnell $6.4M. We signed the guy the other OL look to and follow your'e right. The Cowboys are thinking very clearly here.

It is the right move, but moreso because the Cowboys have other players on the OL that are more deserving of a big long term contract. Also you likely have Weems ready in a year or so when Free is gone.

PoundTheRock · Mar 9, 2015

Kaiser said:
It is the right move, but moreso because the Cowboys have other players on the OL that are more deserving of a big long term contract. Also you likely have Weems ready in a year or so when Free is gone.

What have we seen at all from Weems to suggest he can play, much less start for someone?

Doomsday101 · Mar 9, 2015

Kaiser said:
Miles Austin was a starter in 2013, should he have been given the starting job in 2014 because of that?

Austin never could stay on the field, he was constantly getting hurt.

If in your mind this contract makes Parnell a better player then fine believe as you feel. Because Dallas paid Roy Williams a boat load of money did not make him a better WR it only meant Dallas over paid for a poor player

Risen Star · Mar 9, 2015

Well, alright. We got Darrion Weems ready to take over for Free in a year or so.

Stash · Mar 9, 2015

Kaiser said:
No one disputes Free is a leader on the OL. But you don't pay for leadership in the past, you pay for performance going forward. And if Free is clearly the better player going forward (which was conventional wisdom here) why did Free take half the money Parnell got? Even assuming the Jags overpaid (they did), the salaries wouldn't be close to each other. Jacksonville paid twice as much as Dallas because they had to. The league valued Parnell going forward more than Free, and Free's salary reflects that.

And Jacksonville's offer to Parnell is so crazy out of whack that he's telling people the race is over before it's technically started.

The Cowboys wanted to maintain continuity for the next year or two, not get locked into either guy long term. Free's deal might say 3 years, but it's 2 years at most.

The Cowboys kept the guy they wanted, at the price they wanted.

And they deserve credit for that, not blame.

Kaiser · Mar 9, 2015

CyberB0b said:
Free never hit the open market, so your logic is flawed.

LOL. And why do you think he signed before FA opened? Because his agent forgot? Because he doesn't like money?

Free resigned for half of what Parnell got because that was the best offer on the table. He probably gave Dallas a slight discount and Jacksonville did overpay to bring Parnell in, but that doesn't account for Parnell getting TWICE what Free did.

Doomsday101 · Mar 9, 2015

Risen Star said:
Well, alright. We got Darrion Weems ready to take over for Free in a year or so.

Unless Weems struggles to make the team once Dallas bring in others to compete. lol

Kaiser · Mar 9, 2015

stasheroo said:
And Jacksonville's offer to Parnell is so crazy out of whack that he's telling people the race is over before it's technically started.

The Cowboys wanted to maintain continuity for the next year or two, not get locked into either guy long term. Free's deal might say 3 years, but it's 2 years at most.

The Cowboys kept the guy they wanted, at the price they wanted.

And they deserve credit for that, not blame.

I agree with every word of that. My point is that NFL votes with dollars and the votes that Parnell is a better player going forward came in at 2 to 1 for Parnell.

Plankton · Mar 9, 2015

Kaiser said:
Players take time to develop, players who didn't play High School or College ball take even longer. And Free didn't start until his third year in the league also, and then it was only because of injury.

Free was a better player last year but not by much. Going forward Parnell is the better player and the competitive bidding process of NFL FA shows that NFL teams agree with that.

I'm glad that the decisions as to who ends up being the player is done on the field, and not by a "bidding process". Parnell could very well end up the better player going forward, but until he plays, no one knows if this is the case. All we know is that he couldn't beat Free out in Dallas.

Risen Star · Mar 9, 2015

CyberB0b said:
Free never hit the open market, so your logic is flawed.

Free's also 31. Parnell is 28.

But hey, when you think Darrion Weems is in the pipeline as your future starting RT, you probably think Jermey Parnell is a talent we just couldn't afford to keep.

Doomsday101 · Mar 9, 2015

Kaiser said:
LOL. And why do you think he signed before FA opened? Because his agent forgot? Because he doesn't like money?

Free resigned for half of what Parnell got because that was the best offer on the table. He probably gave Dallas a slight discount and Jacksonville did overpay to bring Parnell in, but that doesn't account for Parnell getting TWICE what Free did.

what does Parnell getting twice what Free got has to do with anything. Because Dallas did not match the offer which as you state was over paying? A poor contract does not make a player better in only means you paid more money than what they guy was worth.

Plankton · Mar 9, 2015

Risen Star said:
Free's also 31. Parnell is 28.

But hey, when you think Darrion Weems is in the pipeline as your future starting RT, you probably think Jermey Parnell is a talent we just couldn't afford to keep.

Two words - Donald Hawkins. Weems has to compete with him as well......

Doomsday101 · Mar 9, 2015

stasheroo said:
And Jacksonville's offer to Parnell is so crazy out of whack that he's telling people the race is over before it's technically started.

The Cowboys wanted to maintain continuity for the next year or two, not get locked into either guy long term. Free's deal might say 3 years, but it's 2 years at most.

The Cowboys kept the guy they wanted, at the price they wanted.

And they deserve credit for that, not blame.

Exactly, getting upset with Dallas for overpaying as they have done is a reason to be upset. Not overpaying for a guy who has yet to win the battle as a starter should be widely applauded.

Kaiser · Mar 9, 2015

Doomsday101 said:
what does Parnell getting twice what Free got has to do with anything.

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