Patrick Crayton Appreciation Thread...

[ilovejerry]

*Shrugs* I'd hate to think where this team would have been throughout the regular season without him over there catching his 7 or 8 TDs and 700 or so yards to help keep defenses off of Owens and Witten.

But, yeah, cause of a bad game he totally sucks. Maybe you could try out for us next year and show us how a real number two should get it done.

I suggest You rewatch the games, He played a number 2 spot because TG was out, when Owens was out we sure scored alot.( with him in there ) Dont count out Witten. he had his best season, Witten, Owens and Crayton. hmmmmmmm. Why do we need to draft another WR? Because Owens isnt going anywhere for at least 3 years? Not confident in Austin, Hurd, Or maybe PC isnt strong enough for that number 2 spot...He sucks plain and simple and if he would have shut his mouth and not been so loud and bragging maybe he would get a pass but for a guy whith his mouth "shut up and back it up" Oh yeah didnt he drop a TD in Chitown..... I will have to look and see a game by game breakdown of his catches, if someone has that please post it up.. PC ... Fn Jerry signed this guy for way more then he is worth

 

[ilovejerry]

*Shrugs* I'd hate to think where this team would have been throughout the regular season without him over there catching his 7 or 8 TDs and 700 or so yards to help keep defenses off of Owens and Witten.

But, yeah, cause of a bad game he totally sucks. Maybe you could try out for us next year and show us how a real number two should get it done.

I understand your point, I'm comparing him to the other number 2's in leauge. not myself. but if you would like another professionals opinion ask brandon Jaccobs who also thinks he sucks , he would be more qualifed then me.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

I know he was in there cause of Glenn's injury. Which is why I said he's a solid two but would have made a great 3.

But, people, think about where you WOULD HAVE BEEN in the regular season without him at 2. I can assure you if you lined Hurd up at 2 (And I like him a lot) that T.O. doesn't catch 15 Tds. He's have been lucky to get 10.

I'm not saying that there is no upgrade for PC at 2, cause there is. A 100% healthy Glenn would have been a far better 2. But those 13 wins, and that NFC East title that Dallas did get (And I know, no one is happy with that. It's always Superbowl or bust with fans) they most likely don't get if you have to go with a WR combination of T.O. and Hurd.

 

[iceberg]

*Shrugs* I'd hate to think where this team would have been throughout the regular season without him over there catching his 7 or 8 TDs and 700 or so yards to help keep defenses off of Owens and Witten.

But, yeah, cause of a bad game he totally sucks. Maybe you could try out for us next year and show us how a real number two should get it done.

i'll totally agree. he's been a great player for us for years - yet one gaff in a critical time, suddenly he sucks to the IGS (instant gratification society).

 

[ilovejerry]

i'll totally agree. he's been a great player for us for years - yet one gaff in a critical time, suddenly he sucks to the IGS (instant gratification society).

Im not a member of the IGS, I'm from Missouri. The show me state.....What has he shown me...But a big mouth from a average WR.. Shut him up or shut him down...

 

[TellerMorrow34]

This is a list of every single teams second leading WR (Some teams had a guy with more stats as their second leading reciever but they were TE's and RBs so I went with just the WRs to compare to Crayton, since he's a WR)


Name Receptions Yards Average Long Tds

Patrick Crayton 50 697 13.9 59 7

Anquan Boldin 71 853 12.0 44 9

Michael Jenkins 53 532 10.0 29 4

Mark Clayton 48 531 11.1 52 0

Josh Reed 51 578 11.3 30 0

Drew Carter 38 517 13.6 49 4

Muhsin Muhammad 40 570 14.3 44 3

Chad Johnson 93 1440 15.5 70 8 (Yes Chad was the teams second leading reciever so he's going in the #2 catagory here)

Joe Jurevicius 50 614 12.3 50 3

Brandon Stokley 40 635 15.9 58 5 (Note that Walker was their 3rd leading reciever with under 30 catches and 0 TDs)

Roy Williams 64 838 13.1 91 5 (Huh, look at this, he put up numbers comparable to the Lions second leading reciever who everyones just dying to bring in here)

Greg Jennings 53 920 17.4 82 12

Kevin Walter 65 800 12.3 46 4 (Those are the numbers he put up despite really being the teams #1 WR for a portion of the year while Andre Johnson was out)

Anthony Gonzalez 37 576 15.6 57 3 (This guy would really be a 3 if Harrison wasn't hurt, much like with Crayton if Glenn wasn't hurt. Plus I leave him some disadvantage cause he's a rookie)

Ernest Wilford 45 518 11.5 35 3
Dennis Northcutt 44 601 13.7 55 4
(in this instance he was more productive than either of the Jags top two guys)

Jeff Webb 28 313 11.2 32 1 (Tony G, of course, and Larry Johnson, who was injured a huge portion of the year, actually had better recieving numbers than the K.C. #2 WR)

Ted Ginn Jr. 34 420 12.4 54 2 (Now, again, he's a rookie and to be fair he played on a horrific team)

Robert Ferguson 32 391 12.2 71 1

Donte' Stallworth 46 697 15.2 69 3 (Moss was the NE #1, of course, and Donte got SMASHED by the teams 3rd WR, Welker, who about doubled his output and led the team in receptions)

David Patten 54 792 14.7 58 3

Amani Toomer 59 760 12.9 40 3 (You know, the guy whose on the Superbowl champions team)

Laveranues Coles 55 646 11.7 57 6 (Supposedly their #1 guy but got doubled up on by their #2 making Cotchery the #1 WR for the Jets)

Jerry Porter 44 705 16.0 59 6 (now I'll be fair...he does play for Oakland)

Reggie Brown 61 780 12.8 45 4 (second leading reciever, but 3rd on the team because of Westbrook)

Santonio Holmes 52 942 18.1 83 8

Chris Chambers 35 555 15.9 44 4 (Secondly leading reciever, not all with Diego, and he's the teams 4th behind Jackson, LT, and Gates)

Darrell Jackson 46 497 10.8 34 3 (Again secondly leading reciever, but 4th on the team)

Nate Burleson 50 694 13.9 45 9

Isaac Bruce 55 733 13.3 37 4

Ike Hilliard 62 722 11.6 56 1

Justin Gage 55 750 13.6 73 2
Roydell Williams 55 719 13.1 48 4

(Again better than the Titans top 2 WR's)

Antwaan Randle El 51 728 14.3 54 1


There, that is every single teams second leading WR.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

That means that Boldin, Johnson (An actual #1 WR on a team with 2 of them), Holmes of Pittsburgh, and Greg Jennings are the only guys on their teams, who are second leading WR's that were head and shoulders more productive than him.

That means he was better than, or right in the exact same production range (That being that neither he or the other guy were really better) than every single other second WR in the league.

In two cases he was more productive than BOTH of the teams top two WRs, and in a couple of cases he was more productive than a #2 WR who is actually/was actually the teams #1 WR going into the year.

So, again, please tell me how he's so awful and there were so many better options out there last year.

 

[ilovejerry]

Thanks I would love to see a game by games stat on this guy. The only game I can remeber he had a solid one was the Rams.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

I didn't look that up. I'm sure he didn't have any blow out games, other than the Rams game, but when you compare it to the rest of the #2 WR's in the league then it's obvious they didn't exactly set the world on fire, either, too many times. I'll see if I can find that for you though.

I know he the Rams game was his huge game. I think 184 yards and 2Tds is what he did that day.

 

[ilovejerry]

That means that Boldin, Johnson (An actual #1 WR on a team with 2 of them), Holmes of Pittsburgh, and Greg Jennings are the only guys on their teams, who are second leading WR's that were head and shoulders more productive than him.

That means he was better than, or right in the exact same production range (That being that neither he or the other guy were really better) than every single other second WR in the league.

In two cases he was more productive than BOTH of the teams top two WRs, and in a couple of cases he was more productive than a #2 WR who is actually/was actually the teams #1 WR going into the year.

So, again, please tell me how he's so awful and there were so many better options out there last year.

As far as options go I dont know what was in the free market. what the draft brought us was IS whom I guess wasent ready,

Why he was so awful is his mouth and his drops in critical games. anyone can compile big numbers when there winning or beating up a crappy team. T.O was doubled most of the season, PC numbers should be at the top, What was his number when T.O wasn't in there? do most teams have a T.O and a JW. maybe NY with shockey and PB, But AT and Steven Smith played extremely well.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

2007 Game Log Receiving Rushing Fumbles
WEEK OPP RESULT REC YDS AVG LNG TD ATT YDS AVG LNG TD FUM LST
1 NYG W 45-35 3 51 17.0 25 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
2 @MIA W 37-20 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 1 0
3 @CHI W 34-10 3 27 9.0 10 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
4 STL W 35-7 7 184 26.3 59 2 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
5 @BUF W 25-24 6 73 12.2 31 1 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
6 NE L 48-27 5 46 9.2 11 1 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
7 MIN W 24-14 2 19 9.5 12 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 1 1
8 Bye
9 @PHI W 38-17 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
10 @NYG W 31-20 5 66 13.2 20 1 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
11 WAS W 28-23 2 16 8.0 8 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
12 NYJ W 34-3 Did Not Play
13 GNB W 37-27 3 42 14.0 35 2 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
14 @DET W 28-27 3 46 15.3 30 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
15 PHI L 10-6 2 54 27.0 41 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
16 @CAR W 20-13 7 65 9.3 16 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
17 @WAS L 27-6 2 8 4.0 5 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
WEEK OPP RESULT REC YDS AVG LNG TD ATT YDS AVG LNG TD FUM LST
DIV NYG L 21-17 3 27 9.0 16 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 1 0

 

[BEMYDADJERRY]

He Is Nowhere Near A #2 Receiver.......he's Our Third....

 

[TellerMorrow34]

As far as options go I dont know what was in the free market. what the draft brought us was IS whom I guess wasent ready,

Why he was so awful is his mouth and his drops in critical games. anyone can compile big numbers when there winning or beating up a crappy team. T.O was doubled most of the season, PC numbers should be at the top, What was his number when T.O wasn't in there? do most teams have a T.O and a JW. maybe NY with shockey and PB, But AT and Steven Smith played extremely well.

If you take the #1 target off of probably 29 or the other 31 teams then their number 2 would do poorly. If you take Moss off of New England do you really think Welker would put up the same numbers as he did as a 2 instead of a three? And even with Moss, and Welker, Stalworth did less than Crayton at the #2 spot.

The only guy I think that would do as good, for sure, on that list would be Chad Johnson cause he's really a #1 on a team with 2 #1's.

Roy Williams might get more done but he's benefited, greatly, the last two seasons from Mike Furrey and then Shaun McDonald stepping up and keeping double teams off of him and he's the Detriot #1 guy and yet he didn't exactly blow away Crayton.

My point is that, yes, I'd love to have a better #2 option so that Crayton could go back to being a 3, where I think he's much better at, but out of all those guys in the league there weren't that many who were more productive over the season than Crayton was.

 

[ilovejerry]

2007 Game Log Receiving Rushing Fumbles
WEEK OPP RESULT REC YDS AVG LNG TD ATT YDS AVG LNG TD FUM LST
1 NYG W 45-35 3 51 17.0 25 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
2 @MIA W 37-20 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 1 0
3 @CHI W 34-10 3 27 9.0 10 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
4 STL W 35-7 7 184 26.3 59 2 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
5 @BUF W 25-24 6 73 12.2 31 1 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
6 NE L 48-27 5 46 9.2 11 1 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
7 MIN W 24-14 2 19 9.5 12 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 1 1
8 Bye
9 @PHI W 38-17 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
10 @NYG W 31-20 5 66 13.2 20 1 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
11 WAS W 28-23 2 16 8.0 8 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
12 NYJ W 34-3 Did Not Play
13 GNB W 37-27 3 42 14.0 35 2 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
14 @DET W 28-27 3 46 15.3 30 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
15 PHI L 10-6 2 54 27.0 41 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
16 @CAR W 20-13 7 65 9.3 16 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
17 @WAS L 27-6 2 8 4.0 5 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
WEEK OPP RESULT REC YDS AVG LNG TD ATT YDS AVG LNG TD FUM LST
DIV NYG L 21-17 3 27 9.0 16 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 1 0

So with these stats your saying he is a solid number 2?

 

[TellerMorrow34]

He Is Nowhere Near A #2 Receiver.......he's Our Third....

Then apparently 80% of the league's #2's are no where near a #2 and should be no more than 3's since they produced at the same level, or less, than Crayton.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

So with these stats your saying he is a solid number 2?

Look up the rest of the #2's I just posted and show me which ones, outside of the 5 guys I pointed out myself, that put up tons better.

The only other name, who was a two, on my list that would be more would be Roy Williams cuase he's actually a #1 and was hurt for 4 games.

 

[ilovejerry]

If you take the #1 target off of probably 29 or the other 31 teams then their number 2 would do poorly. If you take Moss off of New England do you really think Welker would put up the same numbers as he did as a 2 instead of a three? And even with Moss, and Welker, Stalworth did less than Crayton at the #2 spot.

The only guy I think that would do as good, for sure, on that list would be Chad Johnson cause he's really a #1 on a team with 2 #1's.

Roy Williams might get more done but he's benefited, greatly, the last two seasons from Mike Furrey and then Shaun McDonald stepping up and keeping double teams off of him and he's the Detriot #1 guy and yet he didn't exactly blow away Crayton.

My point is that, yes, I'd love to have a better #2 option so that Crayton could go back to being a 3, where I think he's much better at, but out of all those guys in the league there weren't that many who were more productive over the season than Crayton was.

Yes Welker is a solid WR ,

The guy in Indy was hurt MH what is reggie waynes number? he is there number 2

 

[ilovejerry]

Ok answer me this do you think we win a SB with PC as our second WR

Yes or No

 

[TellerMorrow34]

1 CAR L 27-13 3 20 6.7 15 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
2 SF L 17-16 8 145 18.1 37 0 1 -3 -3.0 -3 0 0 0
3 @TB L 24-3 3 14 4.7 11 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
4 @DAL L 35-7 1 24 24.0 24 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
5 ARI L 34-31 Did Not Play
6 @BAL L 22-3 Did Not Play
7 @SEA L 33-6 2 52 26.0 31 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
8 CLE L 27-20 6 70 11.7 22 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
9 Bye
10 @NO W 37-29 4 62 15.5 23 1 1 -1 -1.0 -1 0 0 0
11 @SF W 13-9 5 54 10.8 17 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
12 SEA L 24-19 6 63 10.5 15 1 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
13 ATL W 28-16 4 31 7.8 10 1 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
14 @CIN L 19-10 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
15 GNB L 33-14 4 72 18.0 37 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
16 PIT L 41-24 7 87 12.4 21 1 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
17 @ARI L 48-19 2 39 19.5 22 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0

Those are the stats of Isaac Bruce, another #2 with comparable stats on the year.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Yes Welker is a solid WR ,

The guy in Indy was hurt MH what is reggie waynes number? he is there number 2

Reggie Wayne was their number 1 WR for 85% of the year cause Marvin was out. Marvin caught only 20 passes and Wayne was the teams leading reciever. Thus why Gonzolez is listed as the 2 cause he played #2 for the majority of the season.

Most seasons, yes, Wayne would be the two and would kill him.