Patrick Crayton Appreciation Thread...

[TellerMorrow34]

Dante Stalworth's stats for the year.

1 @NYJ W 38-14 1 19 19.0 19 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
2 SD W 38-14 2 19 9.5 11 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
3 BUF W 38-7 1 28 28.0 28 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
4 @CIN W 34-13 4 49 12.3 23 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
5 CLE W 34-17 4 65 16.3 34 1 1 12 12.0 12 0 0 0
6 @DAL W 48-27 7 136 19.4 69 1 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
7 @MIA W 49-28 3 51 17.0 30 1 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
8 WAS W 52-7 4 44 11.0 22 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
9 @IND W 24-20 2 42 21.0 33 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
10 Bye
11 @BUF W 56-10 5 56 11.2 20 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
12 PHI W 31-28 4 54 13.5 31 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
13 @BAL W 27-24 3 68 22.7 42 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
14 PIT W 34-13 1 9 9.0 9 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
15 NYJ W 20-10 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
16 MIA W 28-7 2 25 12.5 16 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
17 @NYG W 38-35 3 32 10.7 17 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Amani Toomer's stats for the year.

1 @DAL L 45-35 9 91 10.1 21 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
2 GNB L 35-13 2 48 24.0 40 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
3 @WAS W 24-17 4 24 6.0 9 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
4 PHI W 16-3 4 54 13.5 19 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
5 NYJ W 35-24 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
6 @ATL W 31-10 7 89 12.7 17 1 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
7 SF W 33-15 3 36 12.0 24 1 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
8 @MIA W 13-10 1 13 13.0 13 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
9 Bye
10 DAL L 31-20 3 37 12.3 23 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
11 @DET W 16-10 4 39 9.8 17 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
12 MIN L 41-17 4 83 20.8 31 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
13 @CHI W 21-16 6 69 11.5 18 1 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
14 @PHI W 16-13 3 37 12.3 19 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
15 WAS L 22-10 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
16 @BUF W 38-21 5 99 19.8 39 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
17 NE L 38-35 4 41 10.3 19 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Ok answer me this do you think we win a SB with PC as our second WR

Yes or No

If the Giants can win with Toomer, who is very similar, then yes I do cause I believe Witten and T.O. are better than Shockey and/or Boss and Plax.

I think we had a real shot this year. But, yes, Crayton let us down. I'm not saying he didn't, not saying he's not a big part of the blame, but I'm just saying he's not a horrible #2 like everyone is making him out to be cause of one bad game.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

I mean when T.O. only caught 3 balls in Buffalo or only caught 2 against Philly does that mean we should ship him out of here? I mean, my God, how dare the guy have any drops or a bad game. He's CLEARLY not a #1.

I'm with everyone here that I'd LOVE to be able to move Crayton to 3 and have a guy like Roy Williams, or Chad Johnson, or any other fantasy WR people can think of on the other side of Owens, but beyond that I'm not one of those "OMG Crayton is the worst" guys.

 

[BEMYDADJERRY]

he just need to shut his mouth up and get better.....

we really need a better defense.....

get rid of the fat on the team(ellis,reeves,roy)
which is easier said than done....

 

[ilovejerry]

1 CAR L 27-13 3 20 6.7 15 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
2 SF L 17-16 8 145 18.1 37 0 1 -3 -3.0 -3 0 0 0
3 @TB L 24-3 3 14 4.7 11 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
4 @DAL L 35-7 1 24 24.0 24 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
5 ARI L 34-31 Did Not Play
6 @BAL L 22-3 Did Not Play
7 @SEA L 33-6 2 52 26.0 31 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
8 CLE L 27-20 6 70 11.7 22 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
9 Bye
10 @NO W 37-29 4 62 15.5 23 1 1 -1 -1.0 -1 0 0 0
11 @SF W 13-9 5 54 10.8 17 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
12 SEA L 24-19 6 63 10.5 15 1 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
13 ATL W 28-16 4 31 7.8 10 1 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
14 @CIN L 19-10 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
15 GNB L 33-14 4 72 18.0 37 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
16 PIT L 41-24 7 87 12.4 21 1 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
17 @ARI L 48-19 2 39 19.5 22 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0

Those are the stats of Isaac Bruce, another #2 with comparable stats on the year.

IB is older then dirt, his best years are way behind him

 

[TellerMorrow34]

I will agree he should shut up and pay more attention in the playoffs. No arguments there.

Roy isn't going anywhere, I belive for the most part people have accepted this, even though there are some crazy people who just won't listen.

I don't know how Ellis is bad for the team though. He just had a 12 sack year, a career high. He's a little *****y, and worrysome sometimes, but he's a very nice compliment to Ware and not overly expensive either.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

IB is older then dirt, his best years are way behind him

Thus why he is now a 2 and not a 1. People didn't ask for concessions on age, weight, height, race, last time the guy had sex.

You asked about numbers of the teams #2 WR. I gave them.

 

[ilovejerry]

Reggie Wayne was their number 1 WR for 85% of the year cause Marvin was out. Marvin caught only 20 passes and Wayne was the teams leading reciever. Thus why Gonzolez is listed as the 2 cause he played #2 for the majority of the season.

Most seasons, yes, Wayne would be the two and would kill him.

Yes this year but he is there number 2 don't play semantics RW is a number two WR, They won a SB with him as a number 2

 

[BEMYDADJERRY]

he is always complaing...he is a cancer....
let me ask you guys a question who is the leader on our "D"
.....??????

we dont have one.....one would think he would be ...but is not.....

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Yes this year but he is there number 2 don't play semantics RW is a number two WR, They won a SB with him as a number 2

And normally Crayton would have been a 3 and wouldnt be in the conversation of #2s so I can only go by this year.

 

[ilovejerry]

I mean when T.O. only caught 3 balls in Buffalo or only caught 2 against Philly does that mean we should ship him out of here? I mean, my God, how dare the guy have any drops or a bad game. He's CLEARLY not a #1.

I'm with everyone here that I'd LOVE to be able to move Crayton to 3 and have a guy like Roy Williams, or Chad Johnson, or any other fantasy WR people can think of on the other side of Owens, but beyond that I'm not one of those "OMG Crayton is the worst" guys.

who is not a number 1 T.O?
he is arguable the top WR in the whole NFL....

PC is not a solid number 2 ..maybe a good number 3 maybe.. Ill still take alot of #3's over him anyday...

Why Im I constantly reading on these threads that we need another WR? Because we will not win in the playoffs with PC as our Number 2.

 

[iceberg]

Im not a member of the IGS, I'm from Missouri. The show me state.....What has he shown me...But a big mouth from a average WR.. Shut him up or shut him down...

he's been showing you for years. he filled in well for glenn for a year.

but 1 play he gaf's - your panties get knotted up more than your stomache in your first trip to the principals office.

not sure why you wish to rant and rave - but have at it. it changes nothing. he signed a long term contract, he's been a good WR for us, and i suggest you just find some medication that gets you through the night cause he's not going anywhere.

if it were that easy to ship off the mouthy ones, you'd be out the door too, dude.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

great rebuttals BraveHeartFan

 

[BEMYDADJERRY]

who is not a number 1 T.O?
he is arguable the top WR in the whole NFL....

PC is not a solid number 2 ..maybe a good number 3 maybe.. Ill still take alot of #3's over him anyday...

Why Im I constantly reading on these threads that we need another WR? Because we will not win in the playoffs with PC as our Number 2.

:bravo:

 

[ilovejerry]

I will agree he should shut up and pay more attention in the playoffs. No arguments there.

Roy isn't going anywhere, I belive for the most part people have accepted this, even though there are some crazy people who just won't listen.

I don't know how Ellis is bad for the team though. He just had a 12 sack year, a career high. He's a little *****y, and worrysome sometimes, but he's a very nice compliment to Ware and not overly expensive either.[/quote]


Hopefully we can salvage him even though im not very confident we will.


I agree but he whines so much. I wish we had a better D. I dont see much difference next year with this team.
same result maybe 11-5 12-4 and out in the first round..

 

[TellerMorrow34]

who is not a number 1 T.O?
he is arguable the top WR in the whole NFL....

PC is not a solid number 2 ..maybe a good number 3 maybe.. Ill still take alot of #3's over him anyday...

Why Im I constantly reading on these threads that we need another WR? Because we will not win in the playoffs with PC as our Number 2.

The remark about T.O. was to illustrate how stupid it is to try and argue that PC isn't as productive as many of the other #2 based on one horrible game. T.O. has had horrible games as well, does that mean he's not a great #1?

Great, you'd take a bunch of the other two's out there. And, with the exception of 4 or 5 of them you'd get pretty much exactly what you got out of Crayton. So, bravo, you made a lateral move.

 

[ilovejerry]

he's been showing you for years. he filled in well for glenn for a year.

but 1 play he gaf's - your panties get knotted up more than your stomache in your first trip to the principals office.

Not the first time, dropped a TD in chicago that pissed me off, and he opens his mouth as much as you do, all talk no action

not sure why you wish to rant and rave - but have at it. it changes nothing. he signed a long term contract, he's been a good WR for us, and i suggest you just find some medication that gets you through the night cause he's not going anywhere. That's why I can rant and rave on this message board He sucks


if it were that easy to ship off the mouthy ones, you'd be out the door too, dude.

Ok dude....... are you related to him I see and hear the same genetics all mouth no action..

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Cute.

You're thoughts on the matter really, no longer, hold water to me. I've proven, pretty easily, that he was just as productive as practically every single #2 WR out there, and more productive than some teams #1 guy, and yet you're just still so blinded by the hatred of a bad game that you'll just continue to run your mouth endlessly.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Cute.

You're thoughts on the matter really, no longer, hold water to me. I've proven, pretty easily, that he was just as productive as practically every single #2 WR out there, and more productive than some teams #1 guy, and yet you're just still so blinded by the hatred of a bad game that you'll just continue to run your mouth endlessly.

dude wasn't even the #2 receiver, he was the 3rd option on most plays