Patrick Robinson and RB Morris visiting Monday?

[Fla Cowpoke]

You could have both for what you save cutting Carr.

Problem is, you can cut Carr and make him a June 1st cut, but we don't actually get the cap savings till June. So doing anything with Carr right now doesn't help us sign guys now. I think bkight posted we have about 7m in space right now after the offer sheet to Mayowa. Even so, we should be able to sign both Robinson and Morris if we wanted to for first year cap hits much less than that 7m.

 

[tm1119]

Problem is, you can cut Carr and make him a June 1st cut, but we don't actually get the cap savings till June. So doing anything with Carr right now doesn't help us sign guys now. I think bkight posted we have about 7m in space right now after the offer sheet to Mayowa. Even so, we should be able to sign both Robinson and Morris if we wanted to for first year cap hits much less than that 7m.

We can absolutely cut Cart right now. It would save $6.3M against the cap too. It would result in $7M in dead cap space, but June 1st is still $4M in dead space so it's not a huge deal. I'd cut Carr now and get the cap space to plug holes.

 

[Galian Beast]

You plug holes in free agency so you don't have to "assume" anyone is anywhere.

They haven't plugged anyone at defensive end. Arguably the teams biggest weakness even when we had Hardy.

 

[Galian Beast]

Why, we just signed Benson to an offer sheet. We don't have to reach for DE.

You're not serious right?

 

[Fla Cowpoke]

We can absolutely cut Cart right now. It would save $6.3M against the cap too. It would result in $7M in dead cap space, but June 1st is still $4M in dead space so it's not a huge deal. I'd cut Carr now and get the cap space to plug holes.

Yes, you can cut him now, but the assumption all along has been a June 1st cut. The dead space is irrelevant basically, because it's just the way it's accounted. It either all hits this year or some this year and some next. If you are talking about maximizing the space for this year, there is no reason to cut him now. You might want at the very least to wait and see what we do in the remainder of free agency and the draft.

 

[Fla Cowpoke]

You're not serious right?

You don't reach at #4. Sorry. If Bosa isn't an elite player, you take someone else that is, regardless of position. Sturm had a great article on the subject.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

They haven't plugged anyone at defensive end. Arguably the teams biggest weakness even when we had Hardy.

Free agency is not over. Obviously this team has been looking to add a player at the position. Our pursuit of Benson and Long says as much.

 

[Alexander]

Free agency is not over.

It's not? Please provide your solutions.

This should be fun.

 

[Galian Beast]

You don't reach at #4. Sorry. If Bosa isn't an elite player, you take someone else that is, regardless of position. Sturm had a great article on the subject.

Don't see many obvious elite players in this draft. Only one I can see is Zeke.

 

[Galian Beast]

Free agency is not over. Obviously this team has been looking to add a player at the position. Our pursuit of Benson and Long says as much.

No longer any players available in free agency that would suffice.

 

[Fla Cowpoke]

Don't see many obvious elite players in this draft. Only one I can see is Zeke.

But is he elite and is there the value that high in the draft for a RB?

 

[Toruk_Makto]

It's not? Please provide your solutions.

This should be fun.

What should be fun exactly? What are you asking for?

 

[cowboyblue22]

i thought the draft was about taking the best player available regardless of position so at 4 whatever player the cowboys have as their top player if he is there that is who they should take.

 

[Vinnie2u]

i thought the draft was about taking the best player available regardless of position so at 4 whatever player the cowboys have as their top player if he is there that is who they should take.

Its a balance. Need vs. Value. Oline for instance.. We have no need.. Certain positions you don't pick that high. TE, RB, Center.

 

[Galian Beast]

But is he elite and is there the value that high in the draft for a RB?

I believe he is unquestionably elite and more to the point I do think RB at any point in the draft has value for the right player.

There are two arguments out there, one which carries more weight than the other.

The first is that running backs are easy to find, cheap, and replaceable. I think it is pretty hard to find a legitimate running back in this league. It's easier perhaps than QB or LT because those positions get limited snaps for players who aren't drafted highly.

The second which is I think even more erroneous is that you only get the player for 5 years so it isn't worth it. Actually, this is completely backwards. The best time to get a running back is on their rookie contract, after that, you face a possibility of decline in performance, not to mention that once any player hits 5 years they are at free agent values.

 

[Alexander]

What should be fun exactly?

The fun part will be you backing up what you say.

That's what is fun. It entertains me.

I would be very entertained to hear about how free agency is not over and who you feel would make a difference.

What are you asking for?

I already did. Do I need to break out the finger paints?

I guess your basic political deflection technique is to answer a question with another.

 

[Galian Beast]

Its a balance. Need vs. Value. Oline for instance.. We have no need.. Certain positions you don't pick that high. TE, RB, Center.

Would you draft Rob Gronkowksi with the 4th overall pick? I certainly would.

It's a ridiculous statement to be honest.

Would you trade Claiborne for basically anyone?

People overvalue draft picks over talent and it blows up their faces.

 

[Fla Cowpoke]

No longer any players available in free agency that would suffice.

Not true. Hardy is still out there. Dwight Freeney would be a good stopgap pass rush specialist. Courtney Upshaw is worth a look at the right price. Heck, I keep saying they should take a look at Bjoern Werner as a DE, he was miscast by the Colts as a LB. Is he likely to be "the answer"? Probably not, but 3 years ago we got a surprise effort out of George Selvie. There can be guys cut and/or traded and I am sorry, but just adding Bosa to this team is not going to improve the defense dramatically, rookies rarely bump the speedometer as pass rushers. Don't cite the one or two exceptions....because that is what they are, exceptions and no way to guarantee. Even if Bosa meets all the hype, he isn't a double digit sacker as a rookie.

Ramsey would be a big improvement over Church. Elliott would be an improvement over McFadden most likely, especially since he can excel in the ZBS rather than having to go back to a man blocking team like we had to for McFadden. Also fits Morris as a backup if we sign him. Myles Jack, if healthy, is a huge improvement to the LB corps. Maybe a trade back and add another high pick and still get a clear improvement at a spot we are weak.. Elliott would be fantastic a few picks lower than where we are or maybe a cornerback....God knows we can improve there.

 

[Vinnie2u]

Would you draft Rob Gronkowksi with the 4th overall pick? I certainly would.

It's a ridiculous statement to be honest.

Would you trade Claiborne for basically anyone?

People overvalue draft picks over talent and it blows up their faces.

That's like saying would you draft Brady with the #1 pick.. Of course you would. But we don't have a time machine.

 

[Fla Cowpoke]

I believe he is unquestionably elite and more to the point I do think RB at any point in the draft has value for the right player.

There are two arguments out there, one which carries more weight than the other.

The first is that running backs are easy to find, cheap, and replaceable. I think it is pretty hard to find a legitimate running back in this league. It's easier perhaps than QB or LT because those positions get limited snaps for players who aren't drafted highly.

The second which is I think even more erroneous is that you only get the player for 5 years so it isn't worth it. Actually, this is completely backwards. The best time to get a running back is on their rookie contract, after that, you face a possibility of decline in performance, not to mention that once any player hits 5 years they are at free agent values.

The argument against your second point is that you want a high #1 pick to finish his career with you, not be a one contract player.

Since there are RB's that succeed every year from all different backgrounds, they are not nearly as valuable as some of the other positions. Almost no one builds a team around a RB anymore. The old formula of QB, LT, pass rusher, corner and a 3 down LB is still pretty much the best chance of winning consistently. The best RB in the game (Peterson) has a team that hasn't had playoff success...one trip to conference championship while he has been there, 3 losses in WC.