PC Thread: Changes coming wade says, practice, scaling back etc

[Smashmouth24]

You sell a product.
That product is required to meet certain expectations.
This Cowboys product is not meeting them.

So the fans have a right to be angry and frustrated.

But they really don't have the right to see the coach openly criticize his players. It is counter-productive.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

You're fooling yourself if you don't think this is Wade Phillips' defense.

If Wade Phillips isn't running the defense, then what the heck is he doing. He sure isn't calling the offensive plays and he definately isn't motivating the players.

This is Wade's defense and Brian Stewart is there to get some experience and to be the fall guy if things go south.

So instead of Wade being a defensive guru, he is, in actuality, a defensive zero?

 

[khiladi]

No, he said they would start focusing on the things they do well and eliminating the things they don't do well. It may or may not have anything to do with the players knowing what to do -- and Wade said knowing what to do isn't the problem. To me, it sounds like it's more about what the players can do and what they can't do, not about what they know.

Is Wade saying that he is fitting the play-calling to his personnel? I thought he was all about that from the very beginning...

You know, I am beginning to think that Wade gave the reigns over the Brian Stewart completely during last season some-time when Dallas folded and because of his loyalty he kept sticking with him, just like he is doing with Reed. The difference between the play-calling last year from the beginning of this season compared to the second half of the Green Bay game onwards was like night and day....

 

[ddh33]

I know that quoting Parcells is the rage after losses, so let me remind everyone that even Parcells used to say that a time like this is not the right time to beat up on a team. They need to know they aren't as bad as everyoen is making them out to be.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Well at least he's talking of some changes. We'll see if that actually happens and if it translates to playing better on the field. One can hope, anyway.

 

[Ren]

Then the Patriots have half assed lazy players letting Brady get hurt.

Same can be said for every player that gets injured, it is always somebody elses fault they got hurt

Romo getting hit 19 times against the migthy Cardinals rushing 4 most of the game is not on Romo it's the o-line, even blind people can see that

 

[Rampage]

No, he said they would start focusing on the things they do well and eliminating the things they don't do well. It may or may not have anything to do with the players knowing what to do -- and Wade said knowing what to do isn't the problem. To me, it sounds like it's more about what the players can do and what they can't do, not about what they know.

thanks, well the clock is ticking Wade.

 

[dmq]

No, he said they would start focusing on the things they do well and eliminating the things they don't do well. It may or may not have anything to do with the players knowing what to do -- and Wade said knowing what to do isn't the problem. To me, it sounds like it's more about what the players can do and what they can't do, not about what they know.

Cool, so I guess we will go back to playing 10 yds off the receivers. We do that really well.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Im not saying you should bench anybody, what I am saying is you have to somehow create an atmosphere that players will be held accoutable for making dumb plays, lackluster effort and quitting.

Oh, I agree... I wish we could do some of that. I just don't know that we're able to in certain spots.

That's why I wasn't sure about giving all these massive contracts to seemingly every player whose deal was up last year. One, those players now feel comfortable. Two, it leaves you with fewer options (less money or cap space) to bring people in to replace them.

It's also why I hated to give those draft picks for Roy Williams. People say "What 3rd or 6th rounder is going to start for this team?" But you always need young, hungry depth IMO. Even if it's raw talent and needs development, at least then you might have options down the road.

The way we are now, we just have to hope all these guys come through, because we've pretty much used all our bullets.

 

[AdamJT13]

Is Wade saying that he is fitting the play-calling to his personnel? I thought he was all about that from the very beginning.

There might be some things that we did well last year that we aren't doing well this year, for whatever reason. They might have thought it was an aberration early in the season but now see it as a pattern. Not having certain personnel could be a factor in that, too.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

Oh, I agree... I wish we could do some of that. I just don't know that we're able to in certain spots.

That's why I wasn't sure about giving all these massive contracts to seemingly every player whose deal was up last year. One, those players now feel comfortable. Two, it leaves you with fewer options (less money or cap space) to bring people in to replace them.

It's also why I hated to give those draft picks for Roy Williams. People say "What 3rd or 6th rounder is going to start for this team?" But you always need young, hungry depth IMO. Even if it's raw talent and needs development, at least then you might have options down the road.

I agree 100%

I was one of the few guys who felt the Roy Williams trade was unneccessary, but I do think he is an upgrade.

Wade Phillips has got to find a way to reach these players. Unfortunately, I have no idea how to do that.

However, the one thing I do know players are always afraid of is losing their playing time.

 

[khiladi]

It is obvious that our secondary is getting burned because of mis-cues. On the deep plays for TDs, one can see how this team just looks at each other wondering what the hell went on. They look at each other as if one of them got the responsibility wrong.

The difference between this PC, from what I am hearing, and the past PCs is that Wade has finally admitted that some of the stuff he is calling isn't suited to the personnel of this team.

 

[khiladi]

There might be some things that we did well last year that we aren't doing well this year, for whatever reason. They might have thought it was an aberration early in the season but now see it as a pattern. Not having certain personnel could be a factor in that, too.

I don't think they are running the things we did well last year to even assume it isn't working this year. We haven't run the Spencer, Ellis, Ware package once since Spencer has been healthy this year, and Wade called it essentially an all-star package. He didn't use it at the end of the year last year as well, despite it wreaking havoc last year. Against the Giants, the confusion up-front in the second game last year year forced ELI into 8 delay of game penalties. We were exotic in the beginning of the year.

I seriously think that Wade just handed the reigns over to Brain Stewart completely...

 

[FCBarca]

I agree 100%

I was one of the few guys who felt the Roy Williams trade was unneccessary, but I do think he is an upgrade.

Wade Phillips has got to find a way to reach these players. Unfortunately, I have no idea how to do that.

However, the one thing I do know players are always afraid of is losing their playing time.

Get in line, it forms at the back and it's getting longer...There were several who were saying this wasn't a 'needed' move and that the D was the REAL problem...Still, it does suggest that Jerry has his priorities in the wrong place...Bending over backwards to get a trade done at the deadline shows he was willing to do what it took to finish the deal but apparently isn't willing to do that with the coaching staff

Was this the extent of the 'recap' on the pressy?

 

[Kalyan]

Didn't he say that when he was hired that he would never ever make the same mistake he did in Denver and let his DC run/call plays? I remember him saying that he would be the defensive coordinator too. May be he is getting old and tired to spend the hours to come up with the game plan each weak and letting Stew do it and approving it at the end? Expecting our offense will socre 40 points every week and we will win with whatever defense we throw out there?

Is Wade saying that he is fitting the play-calling to his personnel? I thought he was all about that from the very beginning...

You know, I am beginning to think that Wade gave the reigns over the Brian Stewart completely during last season some-time when Dallas folded and because of his loyalty he kept sticking with him, just like he is doing with Reed. The difference between the play-calling last year from the beginning of this season compared to the second half of the Green Bay game onwards was like night and day....

 

[cowboyjoe]

i understand how most of you feel, and i totally agree with you to a point,

yet, you shouldnt make a change at head coach or coaches during the middle of the year, unless you werent going anywhere like the rams were and lions are with their gm.


i have been a die hard fan since 1966, when i was 13 years old. So, let me first say, yes i have been angry and upset, since we have been promised a championship year for over 12 years now. And nothing, nada, zip.

So, yes am i ticked off, thats what i want to see from the coaches and players, your anger, your hurt, show some emotion for gosh sakes.

As long as some changes are coming I can live with that for now, this thing can still be turned around if the players finally are held accountable. Now that is where Wade and I diaagree. He keeps wanting to say, I am at fault, sure players to a degree but I have to get them motivated and play better.

Yet, when reporters tried to pin him down, when are the players going to be held accountable and something done about it, wade would side step the issue.

I think where he is going, is that he doesnt want to launder dirty clothes so to speak and let everyone know, especially starting with the media, so they get it out to the other teams, oh, this player will be benched, and this player will start instead.

I agree thats stupid to let the media know what personnel your going to sit and start other players, so the other team your playing can be ready for it.

Now to me, if you listened to the press conference, i thought hidden behind what wade was saying, you could hear him say a few personnel changes are coming, now is it what some of us want, like the sitting down of flozell adams or flozell disciplined some way, probably not, but i thought i did hear some personnel changes are coming, just not a whole lot and he wouldnt say who.

As long as changes are coming, like possibly some hitting in practices, scaling back some defensive schemes and looking at the game planning and possibly makign some changes. This thing can be fixed if done right, you have to swallow your pride, see that changes are needed and fix it.

Thats all that i ask for, try to fix it, dont stand pat and say, its my way or the highway. I do need to make changes and the players arent getting it, and i will see that they get it or else.

Finally, jerry jones needs to do what he said, and if he finds some players that arent doing their jobs, then make changes, thats what i ask for, make players and coaches accountable.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Didn't he say that when he was hired that he would never ever make the same mistake he did in Denver and let his DC run/call plays?

Yeah, I remember that...

But khiladi might be right... Maybe Wade gave more and more control over to Stewart, thinking he was a good young coach. And people forget that last year, our D was much better in almost every area. But maybe Wade has hit the point this year where he says that this isn't working and I need to make these calls myself.

Personally, I hope so.

Although I will say that in all this talk about playcalling, yesterday wasn't about that. It was about heart and effort, and we showed little of either.

 

[FCBarca]

As long as some changes are coming I can live with that for now, this thing can still be turned around if the players finally are held accountable. Now that is where Wade and I diaagree. He keeps wanting to say, I am at fault, sure players to a degree but I have to get them motivated and play better.

As long as changes are coming, like possibly some hitting in practices, scaling back some defensive schemes and looking at the game planning and possibly makign some changes. This thing can be fixed if done right, you have to swallow your pride, see that changes are needed and fix it.

Thats all that i ask for, try to fix it, dont stand pat and say, its my way or the highway. I do need to make changes and the players arent getting it, and i will see that they get it or else.

Finally, jerry jones needs to do what he said, and if he finds some players that arent doing their jobs, then make changes, thats what i ask for, make players and coaches accountable.

These are great points...but points that could've and should've been applied a few weeks back...For me, that's what is the most revealing...Waiting until it's completely obvious to anyone that it's broke, to fix it...Where was this weeks ago when we were hearing 'It's no big deal'?

My problem has to do with the whole 'As long as some changes are coming...' claim...What changes?...And where have those needed changes been up until now?...Let's be honest here, these aren't new problems, they are problems that simply got bigger and more obvious to those not paying attention.

Things may end up changing or getting better but I have zero confidence that this coaching staff will have anything to do with it...To suggest otherwise is to confirm that they hadn't been doing their jobs up until now anyway...So hard to understand how the future will mean they will start doing it much less doing it better

 

[utrunner07]

Then the Patriots have half assed lazy players letting Brady get hurt.

Same can be said for every player that gets injured, it is always somebody elses fault they got hurt

Hey there was another Arizonan in here today saying how he was dropping the Cowboys and becoming a Cardinal fan...feel free to follow....

 

[Ren]

i understand how most of you feel, and i totally agree with you to a point,

yet, you shouldnt make a change at head coach or coaches during the middle of the year, unless you werent going anywhere like the rams were and lions are with their gm.

we're not going anywhere if you just look at the record then it doesn't look that bad but when you look at the weekly decline in play then it's pretty obvious