Penn State Sex Abuse Scandal (Indictment Post #144, "Pimping" Allegations Post #442)

[bbgun]

So cancelling games will help the victims heal? Can you please tell me how that happens?

Did canceling games after 9-11 help the families of those who perished? Probably not. But it's unseemly to be enjoying yourself while others are suffering--esp when that suffering can be traced to your school and your football program.

 

[Cajuncowboy]

Agree to an extent,

However, transferring his house to his wife this summer (during the final grand jury moments) was interesting.

May not play much of an issue, but a very strange thing for someone to do at 80+ years old to an 80+ year old spouse. usually these go to children

Go back and read the story I posted regarding this. This is not the first time Paterno had done this with the house. He has sold it to his kids and then bought it back in the past. The article states something to the effect that "This house has been the subject of several confusing transactions in the past."

 

[Cajuncowboy]

Did canceling games after 9-11 help the families of those who perished? Probably not. But it's unseemly to be enjoying yourself while others are suffering--esp when that suffering can be traced to your school and your football program.

Still waiting to hear how this helps them heal, a decade later. You are talking about punishment but are wrapping it in some moral argument that it helps the victims. Truth is, it doesn't.

But please tell me how it does if you this it does.

 

[bbgun]

Still waiting to hear how this helps them heal, a decade later. You are talking about punishment but are wrapping it in some moral argument that it helps the victims. Truth is, it doesn't.

But please tell me how it does if you this it does.

I said that playing meaningless games was disrespectful to the victims. I never said that canceling games would accelerate "healing." Even if it didn't, it would still be the right thing to do.

 

[TheDude]

You can still take care of personal affairs even from prison. I think it's coincidental. Him getting a power of attorney done would have been more suspect, in my opinion.

Yeah, Could be nothing,

timing is strange. fully employed at the time, etc.

Most estate planning use trusts and not transferred to another octogenarian.

 

[TheDude]

Go back and read the story I posted regarding this. This is not the first time Paterno had done this with the house. He has sold it to his kids and then bought it back in the past. The article states something to the effect that "This house has been the subject of several confusing transactions in the past."

haven't read, thnks

 

[Cajuncowboy]

I said that playing meaningless games was disrespectful to the victims. I never said that canceling games would accelerate "healing." Even if it didn't, it would still be the right thing to do.

Why? The principals involved aren't there any longer. You might would have a point if Paterno and McQueary was still coaching. Or maybe the AD was still there. Or even the University President. But they are all gone. The kids in the program had nothing to do with this. The student body at the college had nothing to do with this. So I fail to see how cancelling games is the "right" thing to do.

Everyone is out to get their pound of flesh here. But the ones responsible are paying and paying dearly. Now you just want to keep finding people to "Pay" that had nothing to do with it.

Honestly, it's a vigilante mentality that is running rampant here.
The perp got caught. Not good enough.
The GA is gone. Not good enough.
The head coach is gone. Not good enough.
The AD is gone. Not good enough.
The VP of finance/head of campus police is gone. Not good enough.
The President of the University is gone. Not good enough.
The integrity of the people involved are trashed. Not good enough.
The integrity and values of the school is trashed. not good enough.

Now we are down to punishing people who had nothing to do with it because that is all that is left. If that happens, will it be good enough?

No. Because you will still want more blood. At some point common sense has to prevail. And right now, it's not.

 

[Cajuncowboy]

Yeah, Could be nothing,

timing is strange. fully employed at the time, etc.

Most estate planning use trusts and not transferred to another octogenarian.

Actually she is 13 or 16 years younger than him.

 

[Concord]

EA Sports’ ‘Hide the Children’ headline is the screen grab of the week

In NCAA 12, EA Sports’ college football video game, players can play rivalry games such as the Penn State/Ohio State game you see above. As you can see, the name given by EA’s programmers to the PSU/OSU game was unfortunate, but accidental: NCAA 12 was released months before the Penn State sex abuse scandal broke. Nevertheless, we have one more unfortunately-named Penn State thing to add to the growing list of unfortunately-named Penn State things. And, in case that’s not enough twisted irony for you, the Nittany Lions play the Buckeyes this weekend.



http://www.sportsgrid.com/ncaa-foot...n-ncaa-12s-unfortunate-penn-state-screengrab/

 

[Rogah]

Do you ever think before posting? Where did I say I had anything against the families of victims suing Penn State? Civil suits can be brought without shutting down the football program just like civil suits can be brought against the Catholic church without shutting down Catholic parishes.

Actually, a lot of Catholic parishes in New England were closed as a direct result of the scandal. The church needed the money so they sold off a lot of property and consolidated parishes.

Now since Penn State needs money, I'm sure they feel their best bet is to keep playing. They would lose a lot of money if they cancelled games or declined a bowl invite.

 

[TheDude]

Actually she is 13 or 16 years younger than him.

yeah 13 years...septagenarian

 

[TheDude]

Actually, a lot of Catholic parishes in New England were closed as a direct result of the scandal. The church needed the money so they sold off a lot of property and consolidated parishes.

Now since Penn State needs money, I'm sure they feel their best bet is to keep playing. They would lose a lot of money if they cancelled games or declined a bowl invite.

pwnd:laugh2:

 

[Cajuncowboy]

yeah 13 years...septagenarian

I guess at that point it doesn't matter much. But there were some reasons for it other than something nefarious since there is a long history of this with that house.

 

[Rogah]

Still waiting to hear how this helps them heal, a decade later. You are talking about punishment but are wrapping it in some moral argument that it helps the victims. Truth is, it doesn't.

But please tell me how it does if you this it does.

Except that's not what he said. Tell me, do you misrepresent what other people say deliberately, or is it just a by-product of poor reading comprehension?

 

[bbgun]

Why? The principals involved aren't there any longer. You might would have a point if Paterno and McQueary was still coaching. Or maybe the AD was still there. Or even the University President. But they are all gone. The kids in the program had nothing to do with this. The student body at the college had nothing to do with this. So I fail to see how cancelling games is the "right" thing to do.

I don't consider that a mitigating factor. It's inappropriate to be making merry in the face of scandal or tragedy. The fact that I even have to point that out is demoralizing.

Everyone is out to get their pound of flesh here. But the ones responsible are paying and paying dearly. Now you just want to keep finding people to "Pay" that had nothing to do with it.

Honestly, it's a vigilante mentality that is running rampant here.
The perp got caught. Not good enough.
The GA is gone. Not good enough.
The head coach is gone. Not good enough.
The AD is gone. Not good enough.
The VP of finance/head of campus police is gone. Not good enough.
The President of the University is gone. Not good enough.
The integrity of the people involved are trashed. Not good enough.
The integrity and values of the school is trashed. not good enough.

Now we are down to punishing people who had nothing to do with it because that is all that is left. If that happens, will it be good enough?

No. Because you will still want more blood. At some point common sense has to prevail. And right now, it's not.

Vigilantism? Pound of flesh? Out for blood? Stop being hysterical. You're like a kid who throws a tantrum on the supermarket floor when he doesn't get what he wants. Forget "common sense." How 'bout a little common decency?

 

[Cajuncowboy]

Except that's not what he said. Tell me, do you misrepresent what other people say deliberately, or is it just a by-product of poor reading comprehension?

Don't know if you get tired of being shown how wrong you are but here we go again....

Here is his post.

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Did canceling games after 9-11 help the families of those who perished? Probably not. But it's unseemly to be enjoying yourself while others are suffering--esp when that suffering can be traced to your school and your football program.

No, the implication of this thread is that people are suffering. And somehow, canceling the games would reduce said suffering. Otherwise, what would be the point of cancelling the games and punishing people who had nothing to do with the incident.

I would think you would get tired of challenging me on these things. You got caught before and now, you just got caught again not know what you are talking about.

You should quit while you are behind.

 

[Cajuncowboy]

I don't consider that a mitigating factor. It's inappropriate to be making merry in the face of scandal or tragedy. The fact that I even have to point that out is demoralizing.



Vigilantism? Pound of flesh? Out for blood? Stop being hysterical. You're like a kid who throws a tantrum on the supermarket floor when he doesn't get what he wants. Forget "common sense." How 'bout a little common decency?

Still waiting on you to detail how this stops the suffering. I am not throwing a tantrum Seem like you are. You sit there and say "I'm not happy with everything that has happened. I want to punish people who have nothing to do with this. Talk about being hysterical. You can't even think straight.

What's demoralizing is you think there should be no end to the punishment even if it involves innocent people.

look, I am all for punishing those who perpetrated the crime, got involved with the cover up and those who could have "done more".

I draw the line at punishing people who had nothing to do with it. Including other universities like Ohio state who would not have a game and suffer financially as well as Wisconsin. Wanna share with me how punishing them would help the suffering?

 

[bbgun]

Except that's not what he said. Tell me, do you misrepresent what other people say deliberately, or is it just a by-product of poor reading comprehension?

He seems to think that doing the right thing (canceling the season) has to have some sort of practical benefit aside from atonement or shame. Fail.

 

[Cajuncowboy]

He seems to think that doing the right thing (canceling the season) has to have some sort of practical benefit aside from atonement or shame. Fail.

You haven't mentioned yet how it does that? Talk about FAIL. Cancelling the season does NONE of that. These players have NOTIHNG to be ashamed about.

 

[bbgun]

Still waiting on you to detail how this stops the suffering. I am not throwing a tantrum Seem like you are. You sit there and say "I'm not happy with everything that has happened. I want to punish people who have nothing to do with this. Talk about being hysterical. You can't even think straight.

What's demoralizing is you think there should be no end to the punishment even if it involves innocent people.

look, I am all for punishing those who perpetrated the crime, got involved with the cover up and those who could have "done more".

I draw the line at punishing people who had nothing to do with it. Including other universities like Ohio state who would not have a game and suffer financially as well as Wisconsin. Wanna share with me how punishing them would help the suffering?

Still waiting for you to stop putting words in my mouth. Canceling the season will not erase the physical and psychological damage that was done, because nothing can. Then again, that was never the point. As the NFL and MLB demonstrated after 9-11, there's a time for games and there's a time for mourning and self-reflection. Pity Penn State opted for business as usual.